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            <title>Comment #1 by josullivan58</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:20:43 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I'm embarrassed</strong></p><p>I saw this happening from the very start. The democrats were played from day one.</p><p>
The republicans were never going to cooperate. The "if you compromise a little, we'll vote for the bill" was a ruse from the very start. Even if the oil companies stop getting tax breaks and the bill gets out congress Bush will sure as hell veto it.</p><p>
If a man will reject something that has broad bipartisan support like health care for children, he'll never sign a bill that his allies in the auto and oil industries don't like.</p><p>
The democrats should have forced a filibuster immediately. The net results would have been the same but without the public embarrassment. </p>
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				<p><strong>I'm embarrassed</strong></p><p>I saw this happening from the very start. The democrats were played from day one.</p><p>
The republicans were never going to cooperate. The "if you compromise a little, we'll vote for the bill" was a ruse from the very start. Even if the oil companies stop getting tax breaks and the bill gets out congress Bush will sure as hell veto it.</p><p>
If a man will reject something that has broad bipartisan support like health care for children, he'll never sign a bill that his allies in the auto and oil industries don't like.</p><p>
The democrats should have forced a filibuster immediately. The net results would have been the same but without the public embarrassment. </p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by GreenEngineer</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:32:14 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Without the solar tax breaks</strong></p><p>This bill is now utterly worthless. &nbsp;The progressive community should mobilize to block its passage. &nbsp;Repealing some taxes on the oil companies, at the price of an ethanol mandate, just isn't worth it. &nbsp;Plus we need to send a message to the conservatives: &nbsp;We're right, and we represent the majority position of the population. &nbsp;If they won't play, then we should kill the bill.</p>
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				<p><strong>Without the solar tax breaks</strong></p><p>This bill is now utterly worthless. &nbsp;The progressive community should mobilize to block its passage. &nbsp;Repealing some taxes on the oil companies, at the price of an ethanol mandate, just isn't worth it. &nbsp;Plus we need to send a message to the conservatives: &nbsp;We're right, and we represent the majority position of the population. &nbsp;If they won't play, then we should kill the bill.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Beth Wellington</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 04:05:48 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Energy bill</strong></p><p>Actually, the one vote short resulted from a Dem--Mary Landrieu of LA beholden to the oil industry. &nbsp;Lugar, a Republican, and Bayh, a Democrat, both from IN switched their vote from the last measure.</p>
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				<p><strong>Energy bill</strong></p><p>Actually, the one vote short resulted from a Dem--Mary Landrieu of LA beholden to the oil industry. &nbsp;Lugar, a Republican, and Bayh, a Democrat, both from IN switched their vote from the last measure.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Erik Hoffner</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:57:07 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>awful<p>Just awful. Still losing faith in the Dems...<br>


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				<p><strong>awful<p>Just awful. Still losing faith in the Dems...<br>


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            <title>Comment #5 by meander</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:07:53 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Time for new strategy.  Or new leaders<p>It might be time for Sen. Reid to step down as Majority Leader. &nbsp;His approach to breaking the record number of GOP filibusters is not working. &nbsp;The Dems should force the GOP to actually filibuster -- it's not like the time wasted by endless GOP speeches during a filibuster would be better spent doing what they are doing now: &nbsp;basically nothing (almost none of the budget resolutions have passed, the food and farm bill is months behind schedule, etc.). &nbsp;<p>
Dan Froomkin's invaluable <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2007/12/13/BL2007121301134_pf.html" rel="nofollow">White House Watch in the Washington Post sums up the situation nicely:<br>
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Historians looking back on the Bush presidency may well wonder if Congress actually existed.<p>
Time and time again, President Bush has run circles around what is, at least on paper, a co-equal branch of government. Sometimes he doesn't bother to ask Congress for its approval. Sometimes he demands it -- and gets it.<p>
Amazingly enough, that didn't change when the Democrats won control of the House and Senate. They just make a bit more fuss before rolling over.<p>
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Salon blogger Glenn Greenwald surveys the morning's headlines and concludes that "all of this behavior by the Democrats is absolutely necessary. They have no choice. Otherwise, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News will attack them for being weak (as though there is some circumstance under which they wouldn't) and that would be terrible. Nothing exudes strength, courage, toughness and resolve like having your behavior continuously described -- accurately -- as 'bowing,' 'capitulating,' 'backing down,' 'caving' and 'surrendering.' Those are the verbs Americans love most when looking for the party to lead them."<br>
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				<p><strong>Time for new strategy.  Or new leaders<p>It might be time for Sen. Reid to step down as Majority Leader. &nbsp;His approach to breaking the record number of GOP filibusters is not working. &nbsp;The Dems should force the GOP to actually filibuster -- it's not like the time wasted by endless GOP speeches during a filibuster would be better spent doing what they are doing now: &nbsp;basically nothing (almost none of the budget resolutions have passed, the food and farm bill is months behind schedule, etc.). &nbsp;<p>
Dan Froomkin's invaluable <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2007/12/13/BL2007121301134_pf.html" rel="nofollow">White House Watch in the Washington Post sums up the situation nicely:<br>
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Historians looking back on the Bush presidency may well wonder if Congress actually existed.<p>
Time and time again, President Bush has run circles around what is, at least on paper, a co-equal branch of government. Sometimes he doesn't bother to ask Congress for its approval. Sometimes he demands it -- and gets it.<p>
Amazingly enough, that didn't change when the Democrats won control of the House and Senate. They just make a bit more fuss before rolling over.<p>
...<p>
Salon blogger Glenn Greenwald surveys the morning's headlines and concludes that "all of this behavior by the Democrats is absolutely necessary. They have no choice. Otherwise, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News will attack them for being weak (as though there is some circumstance under which they wouldn't) and that would be terrible. Nothing exudes strength, courage, toughness and resolve like having your behavior continuously described -- accurately -- as 'bowing,' 'capitulating,' 'backing down,' 'caving' and 'surrendering.' Those are the verbs Americans love most when looking for the party to lead them."<br>
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