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            <title>Comment #1 by Eoin OC</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:17:42 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I'll bet that January, February, and March. . .<p>. . . are not exactly prime-time for scooter sales, especially in the northern US. I'm interested in hearing what the figures will be for the following three months. I guess it will depend on gas prices.<p>
I've been riding a four-stroke, 50cc Honda Metropolitan for almost a year now. It gets about 80 to 100 miles per gallon, which is pretty impressive, but still worse than a bicycle.<p>
As for emissions, I wrote about my scootering experience a couple weeks back <a href="http://features.csmonitor.com/environment/2008/05/21/gas-prices-accelerating-scooter-sales/" rel="nofollow">in my environmental blog, and I had a lot of trouble finding reliable data on how the emissions &nbsp; &nbsp;compared to that of two-stroke scooter engines, and to those of different cars. Anyone have any insights?</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>I'll bet that January, February, and March. . .<p>. . . are not exactly prime-time for scooter sales, especially in the northern US. I'm interested in hearing what the figures will be for the following three months. I guess it will depend on gas prices.<p>
I've been riding a four-stroke, 50cc Honda Metropolitan for almost a year now. It gets about 80 to 100 miles per gallon, which is pretty impressive, but still worse than a bicycle.<p>
As for emissions, I wrote about my scootering experience a couple weeks back <a href="http://features.csmonitor.com/environment/2008/05/21/gas-prices-accelerating-scooter-sales/" rel="nofollow">in my environmental blog, and I had a lot of trouble finding reliable data on how the emissions &nbsp; &nbsp;compared to that of two-stroke scooter engines, and to those of different cars. Anyone have any insights?</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by kablume</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 03:31:13 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Oh Good Grief!</strong></p><p>You know, I just bought a used scooter with a 2-stroke because that's all I could afford.</p><p>
I live 15 miles from town in the middle of the woods in Vermont, and I have neither the time nor the energy to do that commute by pedal bike all the time.</p><p>
I figure taking the distances by scooter is still a damn sight better than by car.</p><p>
I also figure any improvement is better than no improvement, and holding people to Astronomically High Standards of Purity and Absolutism only alienates the folks for whom any change is a challenge, and only serves to make the rest of us feel bad for our lack of perfection.</p>
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				<p><strong>Oh Good Grief!</strong></p><p>You know, I just bought a used scooter with a 2-stroke because that's all I could afford.</p><p>
I live 15 miles from town in the middle of the woods in Vermont, and I have neither the time nor the energy to do that commute by pedal bike all the time.</p><p>
I figure taking the distances by scooter is still a damn sight better than by car.</p><p>
I also figure any improvement is better than no improvement, and holding people to Astronomically High Standards of Purity and Absolutism only alienates the folks for whom any change is a challenge, and only serves to make the rest of us feel bad for our lack of perfection.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by vball</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 06:32:59 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>lordy</strong></p><p>Transportation Alternatives needs to keep its eye on the ball rather than alienating people who are having fun in doing the right thing. &nbsp;Alienating people with silly quips based in aesthetics rather than hard data is worse than irrelevance.</p><p>
Lets give credit where credit is due. &nbsp;Vespa has created a 2-stroke engine that can pass european emissions without a catalytic converter. &nbsp;In light of the efficiency of 2-stroke engines, this is news. &nbsp;They are working on a hybrid scooter. &nbsp;They are selling gorgeous 4 stroke scooters that are efficient, relatively clean, and versatile. &nbsp;They are not loud.</p>
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				<p><strong>lordy</strong></p><p>Transportation Alternatives needs to keep its eye on the ball rather than alienating people who are having fun in doing the right thing. &nbsp;Alienating people with silly quips based in aesthetics rather than hard data is worse than irrelevance.</p><p>
Lets give credit where credit is due. &nbsp;Vespa has created a 2-stroke engine that can pass european emissions without a catalytic converter. &nbsp;In light of the efficiency of 2-stroke engines, this is news. &nbsp;They are working on a hybrid scooter. &nbsp;They are selling gorgeous 4 stroke scooters that are efficient, relatively clean, and versatile. &nbsp;They are not loud.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Wolverine</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:18:10 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Motorized Vehicles Are The Problem</strong></p><p>Scooters are only slightly better than cars. &nbsp;Live closer to where you work or work closer to where you live, and you can ride your bicycle or walk. &nbsp;Consumption and burning of fossil fuels, or for that matter any fuels, is extremely ecologically and environmentally destructive. &nbsp;It's got nothing to do with being a purist, despite that idiot comment by <br>
Grist, it has to do with advocating for the Earth and against destruction of it.</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Motorized Vehicles Are The Problem</strong></p><p>Scooters are only slightly better than cars. &nbsp;Live closer to where you work or work closer to where you live, and you can ride your bicycle or walk. &nbsp;Consumption and burning of fossil fuels, or for that matter any fuels, is extremely ecologically and environmentally destructive. &nbsp;It's got nothing to do with being a purist, despite that idiot comment by <br>
Grist, it has to do with advocating for the Earth and against destruction of it.</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Eoin OC</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:54:05 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Easier said than done</strong></p><p>Not everyone has the luxury of being able to change where they live and where they work. </p><p>
I work as an environmental journalist in Boston's Back Bay and I live in a nearby town. What am I supposed to do? Move into a $2500-a-month apartment in the middle of Boston? I suppose I'd also have to separate from my wife, because we now live near where she works.</p><p>
Or maybe I should give up a job I love so that I can work at the bar across the street? Or perhaps I could bike to work and just deal with the pain in my hinky right knee. Or I could walk to work, spending three hours commuting each way. </p><p>
All of these options are unacceptable to me. So, like most people of conscience, I do my best. I get the most fuel-efficient vehicle I can afford (in my case, a Honda Met scooter). I give up meat. I change my lightbulbs. I take a job that lets me try to inform others.</p><p>
I think most of us are in the same position. We're born into a deeply flawed system, one that produces far more waste than wealth. By the time we've become enlightened enough to see the ecological consequences of our actions, we're already in it way too deep, renting an inefficient apartment hooked up to a grid powered by coal, living far away from our loved ones so that we have to burn gasoline just to see them, owing too much to creditors to downshift our jobs.</p><p>
Don't burn fossil fuels. It sounds so easy. But the only people who can even consider this advice are the extremely fortunate. As for the rest of us? We do our best. </p><p>
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				<p><strong>Easier said than done</strong></p><p>Not everyone has the luxury of being able to change where they live and where they work. </p><p>
I work as an environmental journalist in Boston's Back Bay and I live in a nearby town. What am I supposed to do? Move into a $2500-a-month apartment in the middle of Boston? I suppose I'd also have to separate from my wife, because we now live near where she works.</p><p>
Or maybe I should give up a job I love so that I can work at the bar across the street? Or perhaps I could bike to work and just deal with the pain in my hinky right knee. Or I could walk to work, spending three hours commuting each way. </p><p>
All of these options are unacceptable to me. So, like most people of conscience, I do my best. I get the most fuel-efficient vehicle I can afford (in my case, a Honda Met scooter). I give up meat. I change my lightbulbs. I take a job that lets me try to inform others.</p><p>
I think most of us are in the same position. We're born into a deeply flawed system, one that produces far more waste than wealth. By the time we've become enlightened enough to see the ecological consequences of our actions, we're already in it way too deep, renting an inefficient apartment hooked up to a grid powered by coal, living far away from our loved ones so that we have to burn gasoline just to see them, owing too much to creditors to downshift our jobs.</p><p>
Don't burn fossil fuels. It sounds so easy. But the only people who can even consider this advice are the extremely fortunate. As for the rest of us? We do our best. </p><p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by stephanieh</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:07:54 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Seeing them more<p>I've been seeing more scooters here in Colorado, too. We don't have one, but my husband tries to offset our driving by biking 30 miles across Denver to work. The rest of the time we hypermile, which is helping our bottom line, too!<br>
<a href="http://www.cleaning-green.net/hypermiling/" rel="nofollow">Hypermiling at Cleaning Green</a></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Seeing them more<p>I've been seeing more scooters here in Colorado, too. We don't have one, but my husband tries to offset our driving by biking 30 miles across Denver to work. The rest of the time we hypermile, which is helping our bottom line, too!<br>
<a href="http://www.cleaning-green.net/hypermiling/" rel="nofollow">Hypermiling at Cleaning Green</a></br></p></strong></p>
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