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            <title>Comment #1 by meander</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/same-as-it-ever-was/</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:22:47 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Using Congress as a stalling tactic</strong></p><p>It's telling that the Bush Administration -- the gang that has been grabbing power for the executive branch since Day One -- says that only Congress can deal with climate change policy. &nbsp;Seems like a total delaying tactic to me. &nbsp;The Bush gang knows that nothing is going to happen in this Congress, so they try to push the responsibility to them.</p><p>
The Bush logic: &nbsp;it's OK for unelected bureaucrats in the Office of the Legal Council to legalize torture or for unelected bureaucrats in the Dept of the Interior to allow destruction of West Virginia wilderness via mountaintop mining, but bureaucrats must not do anything to slow climate change.</p>
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				<p><strong>Using Congress as a stalling tactic</strong></p><p>It's telling that the Bush Administration -- the gang that has been grabbing power for the executive branch since Day One -- says that only Congress can deal with climate change policy. &nbsp;Seems like a total delaying tactic to me. &nbsp;The Bush gang knows that nothing is going to happen in this Congress, so they try to push the responsibility to them.</p><p>
The Bush logic: &nbsp;it's OK for unelected bureaucrats in the Office of the Legal Council to legalize torture or for unelected bureaucrats in the Dept of the Interior to allow destruction of West Virginia wilderness via mountaintop mining, but bureaucrats must not do anything to slow climate change.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by disdaniel</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:39:06 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>bad joke</strong></p><p>How does Bush spell renewable?</p><p>
Re-nuclear.</p>
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				<p><strong>bad joke</strong></p><p>How does Bush spell renewable?</p><p>
Re-nuclear.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Sir Oolius</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:40:44 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>&quot;technology-neutral&quot;</strong></p><p>Technology-neutral: large centralized nuclear power plants. &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>&quot;technology-neutral&quot;</strong></p><p>Technology-neutral: large centralized nuclear power plants. &nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by rh</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:44:40 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>hits the nail on the head</strong></p><p>Dave,</p><p>
You're exactly right on this. This is the speech I've actually been fearing for quite some time. </p><p>
What is of almost greater concern to me is that the Republicans who are fighting what would have been a &nbsp;completely limp approach are still going to be in the Senate in 2009 and will be very likely to throw up as many parliamentary roadblocks as possible (see &nbsp;Coburn, Tom) regardless of who is elected in November. &nbsp;</p><p>
This is just a reminder that we're not nearly as close to federal action as we need to be.</p><p>
And another 15+ years of emissions growth? As you say, that'd be nothing short of a disaster.</p>
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				<p><strong>hits the nail on the head</strong></p><p>Dave,</p><p>
You're exactly right on this. This is the speech I've actually been fearing for quite some time. </p><p>
What is of almost greater concern to me is that the Republicans who are fighting what would have been a &nbsp;completely limp approach are still going to be in the Senate in 2009 and will be very likely to throw up as many parliamentary roadblocks as possible (see &nbsp;Coburn, Tom) regardless of who is elected in November. &nbsp;</p><p>
This is just a reminder that we're not nearly as close to federal action as we need to be.</p><p>
And another 15+ years of emissions growth? As you say, that'd be nothing short of a disaster.</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Sean Casten</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:33:07 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>My small hope...</strong></p><p>Is that the long term damage Bush is doing to his political party exceeds the long-term damage he's doing to the planet.</p>
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				<p><strong>My small hope...</strong></p><p>Is that the long term damage Bush is doing to his political party exceeds the long-term damage he's doing to the planet.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by TomCasten</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:28:20 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Engaging Republicans in climate change</strong></p><p>It is easy to score comedy points on our President's latest climate mitigation mumbling, but how best advance the ball?</p><p>
Republicans typically lead with the economy and the party line is to frame this as a debate between cheap (dirty) energy and expensive clean energy. &nbsp;Nice sound bite, wrong facts.</p><p>
The debate is between expensive dirty energy and clean cheap energy. &nbsp;The rising cost of fossil fuels without improved efficiency is strangling the economy. The sub-prime mortgage crises is not the only thing tanking the U.S. economy. &nbsp;Rising costs of energy services are hammering everyone.</p><p>
Can the economy afford to keep increasing the fossil fuel it burns for the next 17 years? &nbsp;Whomever leads the way to reducing energy costs will gain an inside track to the White House.</p><p>
Frame the issue for what it is. &nbsp;Reducing GHG emissions is an economic imperative.

<p>Tom Casten, Chair, Recycled Energy Development LLC</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Engaging Republicans in climate change</strong></p><p>It is easy to score comedy points on our President's latest climate mitigation mumbling, but how best advance the ball?</p><p>
Republicans typically lead with the economy and the party line is to frame this as a debate between cheap (dirty) energy and expensive clean energy. &nbsp;Nice sound bite, wrong facts.</p><p>
The debate is between expensive dirty energy and clean cheap energy. &nbsp;The rising cost of fossil fuels without improved efficiency is strangling the economy. The sub-prime mortgage crises is not the only thing tanking the U.S. economy. &nbsp;Rising costs of energy services are hammering everyone.</p><p>
Can the economy afford to keep increasing the fossil fuel it burns for the next 17 years? &nbsp;Whomever leads the way to reducing energy costs will gain an inside track to the White House.</p><p>
Frame the issue for what it is. &nbsp;Reducing GHG emissions is an economic imperative.

<p>Tom Casten, Chair, Recycled Energy Development LLC</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Pompey Road</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:44:39 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The  great stratagizer</strong></p><p>What else would you expect from the man who brought you the war in Iraq. By the way we just spent a trillion dollars and over 4000 lives in order to hand that country over to Iraq. The most radical moslem country in the middle east. </p><p>
This is the man you need to fix your global warming problem. 

<p>The eons of time and nature was good to us down here. It was not until we become civilized that destroying our habitat become fathomable or fashionable.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>The  great stratagizer</strong></p><p>What else would you expect from the man who brought you the war in Iraq. By the way we just spent a trillion dollars and over 4000 lives in order to hand that country over to Iraq. The most radical moslem country in the middle east. </p><p>
This is the man you need to fix your global warming problem. 

<p>The eons of time and nature was good to us down here. It was not until we become civilized that destroying our habitat become fathomable or fashionable.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by morganmghee</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:09:46 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Sigh</strong></p><p>Talking Heads in my head all night...</p>
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				<p><strong>Sigh</strong></p><p>Talking Heads in my head all night...</p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by redwing</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:56:32 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>George?</strong></p><p>Wait hes still alive?</p>
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				<p><strong>George?</strong></p><p>Wait hes still alive?</p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by rbsimon</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:51:16 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>White House Green Wash<p>You nailed it. <p>
The Bush plan has always been to prevent action to stave off catastrophic climate change. <p>
What they're trying to do now is tip the discussion in their direction, toward their view of a "balanced" solution -- which is to do nothing, to continue to increase carbon emissions until Generation X starts to collect social security.<p>
Because they know now the writing's on the wall; a Democratic President and Congress are poised to act. They have to continue to do the bidding of Exxon until the day they leave office. <p>
At which time, I imagine George W. Bush will be named a director on Exxon's board. <p>
<a href="http://scorpionbowl.blogspot.com/2008/04/white-house-green-wash-goal-is-to-do.html" rel="nofollow">http://scorpionbowl.blogspot.com/2008/04/white-house-gree ...</a></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>White House Green Wash<p>You nailed it. <p>
The Bush plan has always been to prevent action to stave off catastrophic climate change. <p>
What they're trying to do now is tip the discussion in their direction, toward their view of a "balanced" solution -- which is to do nothing, to continue to increase carbon emissions until Generation X starts to collect social security.<p>
Because they know now the writing's on the wall; a Democratic President and Congress are poised to act. They have to continue to do the bidding of Exxon until the day they leave office. <p>
At which time, I imagine George W. Bush will be named a director on Exxon's board. <p>
<a href="http://scorpionbowl.blogspot.com/2008/04/white-house-green-wash-goal-is-to-do.html" rel="nofollow">http://scorpionbowl.blogspot.com/2008/04/white-house-gree ...</a></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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