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            <title>Comment #1 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:59:10 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>&quot;It's a sad day for me,&quot;</strong></p><p>said Oregon's Governor Ted Kulongoski.</p><p>
The upriver Nez Perce in Idaho are none too pleased, either. &nbsp;How many salmon actually make it up the Snake River to where they live?</p><p>
And $900 million over ten years, split among four tribes, is after all not a lot of money. &nbsp;So what really is in it for the four tribes who went along with this deal?</p>
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				<p><strong>&quot;It's a sad day for me,&quot;</strong></p><p>said Oregon's Governor Ted Kulongoski.</p><p>
The upriver Nez Perce in Idaho are none too pleased, either. &nbsp;How many salmon actually make it up the Snake River to where they live?</p><p>
And $900 million over ten years, split among four tribes, is after all not a lot of money. &nbsp;So what really is in it for the four tribes who went along with this deal?</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by salmoncenter</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:29:27 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Follow the Money<p>Very ironic since the salmon stocks have collapsed at least as far north as the Columbia River - only 300 Columbia River Spring Chinook have returned this year. The entire "salmon recovery" effort has been a ridiculous sham, another way for the Bush Gang to divert taxpayer money to cronies and supporters. And everyone has played, from the large NGOs to the tribes and local governments. As one Colville Confederated Tribes elder told a local community meeting a couple of years ago here in the Okanogan Valley, "We don't give a f**k about the fish. &nbsp;We want the money."<p>
There is a great book, SALMON 2100, which details a lot of the failures and offers creative, innovative solutions. The book comes from a project sponsored by EPA and the American Fisheries Society and headed by Dr. Robert T. Lackey with chapters written by 36 leading fisheries and community experts and included several well-attended conferences. When AFS saw the direction the project took, it was buried. The book could not be bought except by special order for about the first year after publication. When there were complaints, the book was listed on the AFS in-house online store, but Amazon still has only a few copies priced from $199.92 even though it's a 39.00 book if you can find it. <br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;<b><a target="_blank" href="http://store.afsbooks.org/x55050xm.html" rel="nofollow">Buy the Book &nbsp; &nbsp; <b><a target="_blank" href="http://oregonstate.edu/dept/fw/lackey/Salmon2100.htm" rel="nofollow">Salmon 2100 Project<p>
Full disclosure - I'm a co-author, but we donated our work, so I get nothing from sales of the book.</p></a></b></a></b></br></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Follow the Money<p>Very ironic since the salmon stocks have collapsed at least as far north as the Columbia River - only 300 Columbia River Spring Chinook have returned this year. The entire "salmon recovery" effort has been a ridiculous sham, another way for the Bush Gang to divert taxpayer money to cronies and supporters. And everyone has played, from the large NGOs to the tribes and local governments. As one Colville Confederated Tribes elder told a local community meeting a couple of years ago here in the Okanogan Valley, "We don't give a f**k about the fish. &nbsp;We want the money."<p>
There is a great book, SALMON 2100, which details a lot of the failures and offers creative, innovative solutions. The book comes from a project sponsored by EPA and the American Fisheries Society and headed by Dr. Robert T. Lackey with chapters written by 36 leading fisheries and community experts and included several well-attended conferences. When AFS saw the direction the project took, it was buried. The book could not be bought except by special order for about the first year after publication. When there were complaints, the book was listed on the AFS in-house online store, but Amazon still has only a few copies priced from $199.92 even though it's a 39.00 book if you can find it. <br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;<b><a target="_blank" href="http://store.afsbooks.org/x55050xm.html" rel="nofollow">Buy the Book &nbsp; &nbsp; <b><a target="_blank" href="http://oregonstate.edu/dept/fw/lackey/Salmon2100.htm" rel="nofollow">Salmon 2100 Project<p>
Full disclosure - I'm a co-author, but we donated our work, so I get nothing from sales of the book.</p></a></b></a></b></br></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by usandthem</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:54:28 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Limits</strong></p><p>The salmon fishing off of the California coast has been suspended this season because there are so few salmon.If the fish can't get upriver to spawn then there are no fish.Simple as that!It is simply a case of what is in it for people,nevermind the environment.</p>
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				<p><strong>Limits</strong></p><p>The salmon fishing off of the California coast has been suspended this season because there are so few salmon.If the fish can't get upriver to spawn then there are no fish.Simple as that!It is simply a case of what is in it for people,nevermind the environment.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:53:04 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>&quot;what's in it for people&quot;</strong></p><p>Exactly, UsAndThem.</p><p>
Thinking of animals as a "resource" is NOT a sustainable way to live.</p><p>
There is NO "sustainability," if animal rights are not fundamental.</p><p>
Got that, SpaSh?</p>
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				<p><strong>&quot;what's in it for people&quot;</strong></p><p>Exactly, UsAndThem.</p><p>
Thinking of animals as a "resource" is NOT a sustainable way to live.</p><p>
There is NO "sustainability," if animal rights are not fundamental.</p><p>
Got that, SpaSh?</p>
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