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            <title>Comment #1 by swan</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:59:04 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Got it</strong></p><p>This sounds like a clear-minded, lucid and precise game plan. I can't wait to read the book. I'm reading E.O. Wilson's "Creation" right now. It's an exquisite little book that should lay the groundwork for going forward in this way.</p><p>
I disagree about the chemical fertilizers and GMOs. I think Vandiva Shiva has a better understanding of sustainable agriculture when she says we can feed the world with organic farming but it sounds like your overall plan and timeline is right on. Thank you for the good work.</p>
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				<p><strong>Got it</strong></p><p>This sounds like a clear-minded, lucid and precise game plan. I can't wait to read the book. I'm reading E.O. Wilson's "Creation" right now. It's an exquisite little book that should lay the groundwork for going forward in this way.</p><p>
I disagree about the chemical fertilizers and GMOs. I think Vandiva Shiva has a better understanding of sustainable agriculture when she says we can feed the world with organic farming but it sounds like your overall plan and timeline is right on. Thank you for the good work.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Max8806</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:23:18 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Cap sans trade?</strong></p><p>"I'd combine this active technology program with a cap on carbon emissions, which I think would be far more effective than a tradable permit system."</p><p>
What does this mean? &nbsp;Quotas on emissions per class of technology? &nbsp;I can't imagine a professional economist would see this as more efficient than Cap/Trade. &nbsp;I must be missing something here...</p>
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				<p><strong>Cap sans trade?</strong></p><p>"I'd combine this active technology program with a cap on carbon emissions, which I think would be far more effective than a tradable permit system."</p><p>
What does this mean? &nbsp;Quotas on emissions per class of technology? &nbsp;I can't imagine a professional economist would see this as more efficient than Cap/Trade. &nbsp;I must be missing something here...</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by vakibs</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/sachs/</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:17:42 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Leadership</strong></p><p>A leader is a person who has a vision. </p><p>
A leader is a person who can bring two rival parties and talk calmly to both of them. </p><p>
A leader is a person who has immense knowledge and at the same time immense patience for learning. </p><p>
If USA has to provide leadership to the world in troubled times, it itself needs a leader who is all the above three. </p><p>
It is unfortunate that we suffer a system of democracy that yet cannot produce people like Jeffrey Sachs as captains. </p><p>
Saving the planet or saving the people.. If we put our priorities right, we will save both of them. If we don't, we will save none. <br>
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				<p><strong>Leadership</strong></p><p>A leader is a person who has a vision. </p><p>
A leader is a person who can bring two rival parties and talk calmly to both of them. </p><p>
A leader is a person who has immense knowledge and at the same time immense patience for learning. </p><p>
If USA has to provide leadership to the world in troubled times, it itself needs a leader who is all the above three. </p><p>
It is unfortunate that we suffer a system of democracy that yet cannot produce people like Jeffrey Sachs as captains. </p><p>
Saving the planet or saving the people.. If we put our priorities right, we will save both of them. If we don't, we will save none. <br>
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            <title>Comment #4 by erniecaldwell</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:03:19 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>saving the plant</strong></p><p>you failed to mention the major problem - us. &nbsp;Ultimately, until there are fewer of us, not anything, nor even everything, we try is going to work. </p>
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				<p><strong>saving the plant</strong></p><p>you failed to mention the major problem - us. &nbsp;Ultimately, until there are fewer of us, not anything, nor even everything, we try is going to work. </p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by stopgreenpath</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:43:48 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>ecosystem losses?</strong></p><p>well over a million acres of vital desert ecosystem is currently under siege by Big Solar in the SW USA alone, not to mention the myriad wind, mining, oil, coal and gas destruction in these areas. &nbsp;this is insane, and is only the very beginning of the Big Energy Gold Rush that is going to kill off a gorgeous, perfect habitat for plants, birds, animals, insects and other living organisms. &nbsp;have we learned nothing?</p><p>
we cannot continue to destroy whole ecosystems and call it "sustainable." &nbsp;land that has not already been harmed by man should be left alone to do what it was intended to do, and new energy, including (especially) renewables, need to be built on previously developed land, preferably at point of use and secondarily on brownfields and superfund sites (there are thousands of them in the US).</p><p>
please make this crucial distinction. &nbsp;Big Energy wants to greenwash its horrible, wasteful and devastating power infrastructure by referring to it as "Renewable," even while it depletes groundwater and permanently obliterates wildlife and wilderness (not to mention the terrible effects of its monopolies, eminent domain and expense on humans!). &nbsp;please, let's not let them get away with it.</p>
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				<p><strong>ecosystem losses?</strong></p><p>well over a million acres of vital desert ecosystem is currently under siege by Big Solar in the SW USA alone, not to mention the myriad wind, mining, oil, coal and gas destruction in these areas. &nbsp;this is insane, and is only the very beginning of the Big Energy Gold Rush that is going to kill off a gorgeous, perfect habitat for plants, birds, animals, insects and other living organisms. &nbsp;have we learned nothing?</p><p>
we cannot continue to destroy whole ecosystems and call it "sustainable." &nbsp;land that has not already been harmed by man should be left alone to do what it was intended to do, and new energy, including (especially) renewables, need to be built on previously developed land, preferably at point of use and secondarily on brownfields and superfund sites (there are thousands of them in the US).</p><p>
please make this crucial distinction. &nbsp;Big Energy wants to greenwash its horrible, wasteful and devastating power infrastructure by referring to it as "Renewable," even while it depletes groundwater and permanently obliterates wildlife and wilderness (not to mention the terrible effects of its monopolies, eminent domain and expense on humans!). &nbsp;please, let's not let them get away with it.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Earthling1st</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:55:04 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Re: Cap sans trade?</strong></p><p>"I'd combine this active technology program with a cap on carbon emissions, which I think would be far more effective than a tradable permit system."</p><p>
I guess that Sachs said "tax" not "cap", and that a "tradable permit system" implies cap and trade. &nbsp;This was likely a transcription error.</p>
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				<p><strong>Re: Cap sans trade?</strong></p><p>"I'd combine this active technology program with a cap on carbon emissions, which I think would be far more effective than a tradable permit system."</p><p>
I guess that Sachs said "tax" not "cap", and that a "tradable permit system" implies cap and trade. &nbsp;This was likely a transcription error.</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by CHANGEpartner</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:40:06 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Response to Common Wealth article</strong></p><p>There are some underlying points in Sachs' comments that are key:<br>


 We need to consider how the myriad issues we face are interrelated, and collect data/experiment to determine root causes.<br>
 Make decisions based on data, not beliefs (which relates to Sachs' comments about not dismissing any energy source out of hand. &nbsp;<br>
 While not addressed directly, absolutely essential is to be clear-eyed about our current growth trajectory, to understand the implications of this trajectory, and to identify the MULTIPLE actions that will be needed to put us on a different path.</p><p>


CHANGEpartner</br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Response to Common Wealth article</strong></p><p>There are some underlying points in Sachs' comments that are key:<br>


 We need to consider how the myriad issues we face are interrelated, and collect data/experiment to determine root causes.<br>
 Make decisions based on data, not beliefs (which relates to Sachs' comments about not dismissing any energy source out of hand. &nbsp;<br>
 While not addressed directly, absolutely essential is to be clear-eyed about our current growth trajectory, to understand the implications of this trajectory, and to identify the MULTIPLE actions that will be needed to put us on a different path.</p><p>


CHANGEpartner</br></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by griots</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:36:31 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>chemical fertilizer &amp; GMO seeds? Disaster!<p>While I agree with Sachs' urgent call to solving world problems, I think he is dead wrong about what should be done to feed the world and improve agriculture. Like Theodor Roszak said in the introduction to Schumacher's famous book "Small is Beautiful" 35 years ago "Economists, for all their purported objectivity, are the most narrowly ethnocentric of people. Since they are universally urban intellectuals who understand little of rural ways, they easily come to regard the land, and all that lives and grows upon it, as nothing more than another factor of production. Hence, it seems to them no loss, but indeed a gain, to turn all the world's farming into high-yield agri-industry, to depopulate the rural areas, and to crowd the cities to the point of chronic breakdown and crisis" (p.7).<br>
Sachs assumption that the application of modern fertilizer and GMO seed sounds like a great pitch for American agri-industry but in the long run would be disastrous for the world's poor. Here is a great study out of Africa to prove my point:<p>
Organic farming in Africa wins over chemical methods<br>
<a href="http://www.ucsusa.org/food_and_agriculture/feed/feed-november-2008.html#4" rel="nofollow">http://www.ucsusa.org/food_and_agriculture/feed/feed-nove ...<br>
A major study from the United Nations Environment Program reported that the use of organic practices in Africa produces higher yields than farming with pesticides and fertilizers. The study of 114 projects in 24 countries found that yields often more than doubled when organic or near-organic practices such as crop rotation and composting were used. Organic agriculture also brought benefits to families and communities: it encouraged the improvement of local infrastructure like roads, built social relations in the community, increased farmers' incomes, improved soil fertility, and increased the land's resistance to drought. Because organic agriculture relies on available resources rather than on expensive inputs like genetically engineered seed or pesticides, poor farmers can more readily implement organic methods than industrial agriculture methods, and they can retain more earnings. The study concluded that organic techniques are a practical way for African farmers to achieve the crop yields they need and generate food security for the growing population. Read the report (<a href="http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/ditcted200715_en.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/ditcted200715_en.pdf), or read an article about it in The Independent <br>
<a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/organic-farming-could-feed-africa-968641.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/organic-fa ...(UK).</a></br></a></br></a></br></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>chemical fertilizer &amp; GMO seeds? Disaster!<p>While I agree with Sachs' urgent call to solving world problems, I think he is dead wrong about what should be done to feed the world and improve agriculture. Like Theodor Roszak said in the introduction to Schumacher's famous book "Small is Beautiful" 35 years ago "Economists, for all their purported objectivity, are the most narrowly ethnocentric of people. Since they are universally urban intellectuals who understand little of rural ways, they easily come to regard the land, and all that lives and grows upon it, as nothing more than another factor of production. Hence, it seems to them no loss, but indeed a gain, to turn all the world's farming into high-yield agri-industry, to depopulate the rural areas, and to crowd the cities to the point of chronic breakdown and crisis" (p.7).<br>
Sachs assumption that the application of modern fertilizer and GMO seed sounds like a great pitch for American agri-industry but in the long run would be disastrous for the world's poor. Here is a great study out of Africa to prove my point:<p>
Organic farming in Africa wins over chemical methods<br>
<a href="http://www.ucsusa.org/food_and_agriculture/feed/feed-november-2008.html#4" rel="nofollow">http://www.ucsusa.org/food_and_agriculture/feed/feed-nove ...<br>
A major study from the United Nations Environment Program reported that the use of organic practices in Africa produces higher yields than farming with pesticides and fertilizers. The study of 114 projects in 24 countries found that yields often more than doubled when organic or near-organic practices such as crop rotation and composting were used. Organic agriculture also brought benefits to families and communities: it encouraged the improvement of local infrastructure like roads, built social relations in the community, increased farmers' incomes, improved soil fertility, and increased the land's resistance to drought. Because organic agriculture relies on available resources rather than on expensive inputs like genetically engineered seed or pesticides, poor farmers can more readily implement organic methods than industrial agriculture methods, and they can retain more earnings. The study concluded that organic techniques are a practical way for African farmers to achieve the crop yields they need and generate food security for the growing population. Read the report (<a href="http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/ditcted200715_en.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/ditcted200715_en.pdf), or read an article about it in The Independent <br>
<a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/organic-farming-could-feed-africa-968641.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/organic-fa ...(UK).</a></br></a></br></a></br></p></br></p></strong></p>
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