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            <title>Comment #1 by FreshatTechSoup</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:55:36 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>FYI: ICRS 2008<p>We have some exciting news about the International Computer Refurbishers' Summit (ICRS) happening in Toronto on May 5th and 6th 2008! &nbsp;<p>
TechSoup, Computers for Schools Chicago, and Renewed Computer Technology of Canada are hosting this year's conference, which spotlights the theme of refurbishing's "Triple Bottom Line" impact on social, economic and environmental developments and improvements. &nbsp;As technology discards move to the forefront of the international conversation on E-waste and continue to affect the ever-changing global economy, ICRS offers global professionals of matchless authority on topics as wide-ranging as increasing the cost-effectiveness of refurbishing to the burgeoning positive social impact of reuse. Those speakers will include Joep van Loon, Managing Director of Netherlands-based Flection International, Gerry Hackett, Managing Director of UK-based RDC, and Microsoft UK's Sean Nicholson. <p>
There will also be presentations that speak to the broad environmental case for electronics reuse, including means to achieving the refurbishing industry's "zero-waste" ambition and the industry's expanding contributions to the green collar job movement. &nbsp;Speakers will also include Microsoft's Frances Fawcett and EPEAT's Wayne Rifer. &nbsp;Many more speakers will be featured and information about them can be found on the event website at <a href="http://crs.memberlodge.org/Default.aspx?pageId=9487" rel="nofollow">http://crs.memberlodge.org/Default.aspx?pageId=9487. <p>
The remarkable domestic and international work of co-sponsor Computers for Schools Canada will also be a focus. <p>
This is the supreme opportunity for you to meet global colleagues in the areas of refurbishing, economics, environment, government, and asset management from around the world and to exchange information with Community Microsoft Authorized Refurbishers (MARs). <p>
The conference will be held at the Delta Chelsea Hotel in Toronto. Registration this year is $225 and can be completed online at <a href="http://www.crs.memberlodge.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.crs.memberlodge.org. &nbsp;Discounted hotel rates at the Delta Chelsea are available until April 4, 2008 and you can reach the hotel directly at 1.800.243.5732 or 416.595.1975. Contact Fresh White at TechSoup with any hotel reservation questions or concerns at 415.633.9342 or (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
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				<p><strong>FYI: ICRS 2008<p>We have some exciting news about the International Computer Refurbishers' Summit (ICRS) happening in Toronto on May 5th and 6th 2008! &nbsp;<p>
TechSoup, Computers for Schools Chicago, and Renewed Computer Technology of Canada are hosting this year's conference, which spotlights the theme of refurbishing's "Triple Bottom Line" impact on social, economic and environmental developments and improvements. &nbsp;As technology discards move to the forefront of the international conversation on E-waste and continue to affect the ever-changing global economy, ICRS offers global professionals of matchless authority on topics as wide-ranging as increasing the cost-effectiveness of refurbishing to the burgeoning positive social impact of reuse. Those speakers will include Joep van Loon, Managing Director of Netherlands-based Flection International, Gerry Hackett, Managing Director of UK-based RDC, and Microsoft UK's Sean Nicholson. <p>
There will also be presentations that speak to the broad environmental case for electronics reuse, including means to achieving the refurbishing industry's "zero-waste" ambition and the industry's expanding contributions to the green collar job movement. &nbsp;Speakers will also include Microsoft's Frances Fawcett and EPEAT's Wayne Rifer. &nbsp;Many more speakers will be featured and information about them can be found on the event website at <a href="http://crs.memberlodge.org/Default.aspx?pageId=9487" rel="nofollow">http://crs.memberlodge.org/Default.aspx?pageId=9487. <p>
The remarkable domestic and international work of co-sponsor Computers for Schools Canada will also be a focus. <p>
This is the supreme opportunity for you to meet global colleagues in the areas of refurbishing, economics, environment, government, and asset management from around the world and to exchange information with Community Microsoft Authorized Refurbishers (MARs). <p>
The conference will be held at the Delta Chelsea Hotel in Toronto. Registration this year is $225 and can be completed online at <a href="http://www.crs.memberlodge.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.crs.memberlodge.org. &nbsp;Discounted hotel rates at the Delta Chelsea are available until April 4, 2008 and you can reach the hotel directly at 1.800.243.5732 or 416.595.1975. Contact Fresh White at TechSoup with any hotel reservation questions or concerns at 415.633.9342 or (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
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            <title>Comment #2 by NiraliSherni</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/run-your-car-on-coal-maybe-not/</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:26:40 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Rather Ghastly idea</strong></p><p>Fuel developed from coal can only be a pollutant seeing as coal itself is the highest pollutant. I still see EVs as the most viable option among alternative energy vehicles.</p>
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				<p><strong>Rather Ghastly idea</strong></p><p>Fuel developed from coal can only be a pollutant seeing as coal itself is the highest pollutant. I still see EVs as the most viable option among alternative energy vehicles.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by amazingdrx</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/run-your-car-on-coal-maybe-not/</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:47:58 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>We were right</strong></p><p>NRDC was wrong. &nbsp;Along with everyone else promoting "clean" coal.</p><p>
Fuel farming produces twice the CO2 of oil based fuel too. &nbsp;And uses titanic amounts of water.</p><p>
What is left that will provide transportation and reduce costs. &nbsp;Plugin hybrids charged up on a renewable smart grid. &nbsp;Plugin bikes with massive buildout of bike lanes along side existing highways. &nbsp;Electric mass transit. &nbsp;</p><p>
Peterbilt has hybrid semi tractors now, add new inexpensive high capacity foam lead acid graphite batteries to make them plugin, and charge lanes on the highway for long haul. &nbsp;Freight trains are already hybrid. &nbsp;Add electric rail power.</p><p>
Give up gas guzzlers, your time on earth is nearly over. &nbsp;Blast off for Mars, it needs GHGes. &nbsp;Cheney can be your emperor.</p><p>
I have been writing to the Montana Gov for the last few years advocating wind instead of his pet project, coal to liquid. &nbsp;No response.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>We were right</strong></p><p>NRDC was wrong. &nbsp;Along with everyone else promoting "clean" coal.</p><p>
Fuel farming produces twice the CO2 of oil based fuel too. &nbsp;And uses titanic amounts of water.</p><p>
What is left that will provide transportation and reduce costs. &nbsp;Plugin hybrids charged up on a renewable smart grid. &nbsp;Plugin bikes with massive buildout of bike lanes along side existing highways. &nbsp;Electric mass transit. &nbsp;</p><p>
Peterbilt has hybrid semi tractors now, add new inexpensive high capacity foam lead acid graphite batteries to make them plugin, and charge lanes on the highway for long haul. &nbsp;Freight trains are already hybrid. &nbsp;Add electric rail power.</p><p>
Give up gas guzzlers, your time on earth is nearly over. &nbsp;Blast off for Mars, it needs GHGes. &nbsp;Cheney can be your emperor.</p><p>
I have been writing to the Montana Gov for the last few years advocating wind instead of his pet project, coal to liquid. &nbsp;No response.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by GreyFlcn</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/run-your-car-on-coal-maybe-not/</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:41:03 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>:o<p>Cellulosic Tech = Liquid Coal Tech<br>
<a href="http://greyfalcon.net/coskata" rel="nofollow">http://greyfalcon.net/coskata</a></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>:o<p>Cellulosic Tech = Liquid Coal Tech<br>
<a href="http://greyfalcon.net/coskata" rel="nofollow">http://greyfalcon.net/coskata</a></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by meacassidy</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:59:48 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>CTL as GHG an economic problem</strong></p><p>A study from the Carnegie Mellon Electricity Industry Center (CEIC) concludes that while enacting policies to subsidize the production of coal-to-liquids transportation fuel would enhance national security by lowering oil imports, encouraging plug-in hybrids powered by coal-generated electricity is a less costly policy that also reduces oil imports and does more to lower greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions.</p><p>
Not that I am promoting keeping on the fossil track but I think it says alot when CEIC says CTL is not the technology of choice.</p>
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				<p><strong>CTL as GHG an economic problem</strong></p><p>A study from the Carnegie Mellon Electricity Industry Center (CEIC) concludes that while enacting policies to subsidize the production of coal-to-liquids transportation fuel would enhance national security by lowering oil imports, encouraging plug-in hybrids powered by coal-generated electricity is a less costly policy that also reduces oil imports and does more to lower greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions.</p><p>
Not that I am promoting keeping on the fossil track but I think it says alot when CEIC says CTL is not the technology of choice.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by M Dow</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:09:56 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>It is not a case of either or</strong></p><p>I feel that Mr. Montague's comments surrounding carbon capture and sequestration are largely inflammatory. It's an unlikely assumption that by developing technology to make use of coal in the most environmentally responsible way, we will be abandoning research into all other forms of energy. It's more important to look at a balanced energy policy that relies on multiple forms of energy, both from fossil fuels and renewables.</p><p>
The fact is, our energy demand is growing. More than half of our current electricity supply comes from coal. Other forms of energy are becoming more readily available, but cannot keep up with current or even growing demands. Coal is an abundant and readily available energy source that we can use to supply low-cost electricity to the majority of the country. </p><p>
FutureGen, which would work to research, develop, and prove the success and commercial readiness of carbon capture and sequestration technology combined with IGCC technology, which would produce electricity at costs below that of conventional solid fuel plants.</p><p>
If we have the technology that can easily be developed to make use of our own fuel resources here at home, we should employ it. FutureGen is a common sense answer to our search to meet growing energy demands while respecting the environment. That plus research into other forms of energy like wind, solar, and hydro power make the most sense for our country.</p>
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				<p><strong>It is not a case of either or</strong></p><p>I feel that Mr. Montague's comments surrounding carbon capture and sequestration are largely inflammatory. It's an unlikely assumption that by developing technology to make use of coal in the most environmentally responsible way, we will be abandoning research into all other forms of energy. It's more important to look at a balanced energy policy that relies on multiple forms of energy, both from fossil fuels and renewables.</p><p>
The fact is, our energy demand is growing. More than half of our current electricity supply comes from coal. Other forms of energy are becoming more readily available, but cannot keep up with current or even growing demands. Coal is an abundant and readily available energy source that we can use to supply low-cost electricity to the majority of the country. </p><p>
FutureGen, which would work to research, develop, and prove the success and commercial readiness of carbon capture and sequestration technology combined with IGCC technology, which would produce electricity at costs below that of conventional solid fuel plants.</p><p>
If we have the technology that can easily be developed to make use of our own fuel resources here at home, we should employ it. FutureGen is a common sense answer to our search to meet growing energy demands while respecting the environment. That plus research into other forms of energy like wind, solar, and hydro power make the most sense for our country.</p>
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