Patagonia has the best story & strategy ever.

Patagonia has support Planned Parenthood for many years.

Fundies didn't like it, they targeted a Patagonia/Planned Parenthood event trying to shame Patagonia into backing down.

Yvon made the call to increase the donation amount by $15 for every protestor that showed up.

None showed up.

As usual, it is all about the leftwing agenda. Environment, my ass.

Is with you on this mrei, a virtual news blackout on the weird Palin stories.

They want to be "fair and balanced" and above the fray this time around.  Hehehey.  Mustn't pick on palin.

I wonder why this wasn't the case with the touting of Jerome Corsi's slime book on Obama?  Or the sleazy, "he's a muslim" campaign against Obama?  

Now we find out McBushies' VP pick is a seccesionist and no one's talking about it?  Amazing!  

Will she take office after a McBush illness, then declare Alaska a separate nation, resign as prez and become corporate dictator of the new nation of Alaska?  backed by cash from the exxonmob and BP, then hire Blackwater as a private army?

How can McBush run the USA if he can't pick a VP?  The HJB (Heckuva job brownie) effect around this defies basic reality and sanity to the nth degree.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

McBush threw the dice (he's a "craps" addict), now the press is covering up his loss.

Good. the news will dribble out as the campaign continues.  Is it already too late to dump the loony Palin?  It looks like it.

This will chip away at the "judgement" issue against McBush.  He's stuck with "snake eyes".

Naked as any fabled emporer, with the media afraid to mention it for fear of looking mean to the photogenic (makeup slathered) Miss Alaska runnerup and her non-abstinent christian fundamentalist trained underage pregnant daughter.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

Obama said:

How a family deals with issues and teen-age children -- that shouldn't be the topic of our politics.

While this makes good sense tactically (we don't want to make them martyrs), I want to make one thing clear, as a philosophical point.

It's the christian family-values types who proclaim private family matters to be a political issue. It's the Sarah Palins of the world who deny that such things are "private", since that's the core of their politics.

So, in principle, this is certainly fair game.

But then, as said, it's not good tactics to hammer on it.

BTW, no one should ever forget that Mccain is on record as saying he believes abortion should be a private, personal matter for the rich, but a public, political matter for everyone else.  

Protection of the environment requires intelligent, wise, and responsible leadership.

If McCain's first major decision regarding who will help him lead this country is choosing Sarah Palin for Vice President, he's shown he's shown he's not quite intelligent, wise, and responsible enough to be President.

Regarding Sarah Palin, there is a tendency for folks sharing her religious convictions and "family" values to also push policies that harm the environment.

Regarding the "leftwing agenda", could someone please forward a copy to me? I apparently missed that meeting.

or, all of you have made it for me. Have a nice day.

Do you people also post over at dailykos.com? Oh, silly me, it's not about politics.

Hello mreinbold.

Perhaps conversation does stray from focus on the environment once in a while, though it is difficult to separate concern for the environment from political issues. After all, politics is really the art of negotiation between various citizens in order to reach some sort of compromise that helps everyone. I don't consider politics a vile business. Rather, it is a respectable field that has fallen on some hard times. We could really use some wise politicians -- like Obama -- right now instead of the extreme uncompromising forces currently dominating the arena. Contrary to what you might think, Obama is far from leftist. So am I and many of the people who post comments here.

Given that the Grist website is devoted to discussing environmental issues, you might contribute by telling people how Sarah Palin will help preserve our environment and conserve natural resources. Please, rather than step in and tell folks they are not discussing the appropriate topic, try to put it back on track.

Let's set aside politics and discuss the environment. What will Sarah Palin do -- in the McCain administration or as President if McCain is not able to finish his term in office -- that will ensure preservation of our environment and conservation of natural resources for future generations?

What does Palin's pregnant daughter have to do with environment? Why is it just assumed that Palin or other Republicans will destroy the environment? Why must we destroy the economy in the name of the environment? Lastly, the whole idea of manmade global warming is a giant hoax. The notion is being exploited for political purposes.

I took a moment last weekend to walk around and take pictures like a tourist... and I live here.  This place is disturbingly different from the explosion of American flags to the advertising plastered on the science museum to the "Fox News compound".  It's ridiculous.

"What does Palin's pregnant daughter have to do with environment?"

Nothing. But there is a tendency for Republicans to say their private lives are no one's business while they proceed to tell others how to conduct their private lives. I suspect that no one would care about Palin's daughter if Republicans did not want to ban gay marriage or abortion, even in the case of rape, incest, or a threat to the life of the mother. I must admit this is not an environmental issue, but simply a warning sign of other views. I have no idea why anti-abortion, anti-gay, pro-gun, pro-mineral extraction, pro-war, et cetera are linked, but it appears to be the case.

"Why is it just assumed that Palin or other Republicans will destroy the environment?"

They have a rather strong track record of being interested in short-term gain and the accumulation of wealth, even if it means wiping out numerous species (whether God created them or they evolved), exploiting natural resources to the point where they are exhausted and cannot regenerate, and not investing in a long-term sustainable economy that we might all benefit from.

"Why must we destroy the economy in the name of the environment?"

We don't need to destroy the economy in the name of the environment. No one wants to destroy the economy. Without a viable economy, there would be no way to protect the environment. Our fellow humans destroy much of what's left during a last gasp for survival. On the other hand, there is no economy without a healthy environment. The economy will die, we will die, if we continue to permit degradation of the environment. My interest in preserving the environment is two-fold... I care about other species; they deserve a place to live. I care about myself; I will die if the biosphere dies. My interest might be largely selfish.

"Lastly, the whole idea of man-made global warming is a giant hoax."

There is more to preservation of the environment than worrying about global warming. Regardless of why it is happening, the best survival strategy is ensuring that as much biodiversity and natural habitat remains intact as possible. We need it for our species to adapt. Even if there is no global climate change right now, change is inevitable and our species will benefit from preserving biodiversity and natural habitat.

"The notion is being exploited for political purposes."

I disagree. People care about other creatures, clean water, clean air, et cetera. Why destroy it all for a pile of gold? Where's the gain in that?

Hello mreinbold.

What agenda -- please provide a few details -- do you think is being pushed forward under the cloak of concern for the environment?

is apparently impressed with Sarah Palin. Sounds as if she might actually vote Republican. She was outspoken about the BS of the Obama campaign. It would be delicious if she were to actually endorse McCain/Palin. Sometimes miracles happen.