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            <title>Comment #1 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:07:02 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>No executive experience</strong></p><p>McCain, Honest Abe, FDR, JFK, Obama, Lieberman...</p><p>
Executive experience:</p><p>
Palin, Duuhbya, Cheney, Rummi, Wolfi, Chalabi...</p><p>
BTW, whatever happened to Zell Miller?</p><p>
Is Lieberman even an american anymore? &nbsp;No matter what side you are on, would you ever trust a rat like this? &nbsp;

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog     John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin</p></p>
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				<p><strong>No executive experience</strong></p><p>McCain, Honest Abe, FDR, JFK, Obama, Lieberman...</p><p>
Executive experience:</p><p>
Palin, Duuhbya, Cheney, Rummi, Wolfi, Chalabi...</p><p>
BTW, whatever happened to Zell Miller?</p><p>
Is Lieberman even an american anymore? &nbsp;No matter what side you are on, would you ever trust a rat like this? &nbsp;

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog     John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by LGT</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:20:36 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>But seriously</strong></p><p>Lieberman should be deported to Europe. He will make one heck of a European Apocalypse riding team with France's Bernard Kouchner, Israel's Nicolas Sarkozy and Britain's David Miliband. </p>
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				<p><strong>But seriously</strong></p><p>Lieberman should be deported to Europe. He will make one heck of a European Apocalypse riding team with France's Bernard Kouchner, Israel's Nicolas Sarkozy and Britain's David Miliband. </p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by spaceshaper</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:15:04 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>McSame again</strong></p><p>"You may not agree with John McCain on every issue. But you can always count on him to be straight with you about where he stands, and to stand for what he thinks is right regardless of politics."Wasn't this EXACTLY the sales pitch for getting the current incumbent into the White House?

<p>The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>McSame again</strong></p><p>"You may not agree with John McCain on every issue. But you can always count on him to be straight with you about where he stands, and to stand for what he thinks is right regardless of politics."Wasn't this EXACTLY the sales pitch for getting the current incumbent into the White House?

<p>The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by justlou</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:55:29 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Lieberman Shoveling the Shit</strong></p><p>But you can always count on him to be straight with you about where he stands, and to stand for what he thinks is right regardless of politics."</p><p>
Isn't this just more than a little bit of cognitive dissonance or is it just a bald two faced lie to say something like this while also praising McCain's choice of VP? &nbsp;</p><p>
But like Republicans, Lieberman is a master of the shell game. Why doesn't he give up the charade and just call himself a republican? &nbsp;Any democrat who bought that bullshit is no more of a democrat than Lieberman is. &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>Lieberman Shoveling the Shit</strong></p><p>But you can always count on him to be straight with you about where he stands, and to stand for what he thinks is right regardless of politics."</p><p>
Isn't this just more than a little bit of cognitive dissonance or is it just a bald two faced lie to say something like this while also praising McCain's choice of VP? &nbsp;</p><p>
But like Republicans, Lieberman is a master of the shell game. Why doesn't he give up the charade and just call himself a republican? &nbsp;Any democrat who bought that bullshit is no more of a democrat than Lieberman is. &nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by KenG</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:50:50 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Short Memories</strong></p><p>Quite a one way street going here. Recall that Lieberman was a loyal enough Democrat to be nominated for vice president. When he took an independent stand on one issue - Iraq - the party abandoned him and went with another candidate. In order to retain his seat, he had to run as an Independent against the hand picked Democrat. Whether you agree with him or not, Joe has earned the right to take whatever position he wants.</p><p>
Why is Joe at the Republican convention? Because the Democrat tent isn't big enough to allow independent thought. And that's exactly why this election is a contested election instead of a walk-over for the Democrats.<br>
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				<p><strong>Short Memories</strong></p><p>Quite a one way street going here. Recall that Lieberman was a loyal enough Democrat to be nominated for vice president. When he took an independent stand on one issue - Iraq - the party abandoned him and went with another candidate. In order to retain his seat, he had to run as an Independent against the hand picked Democrat. Whether you agree with him or not, Joe has earned the right to take whatever position he wants.</p><p>
Why is Joe at the Republican convention? Because the Democrat tent isn't big enough to allow independent thought. And that's exactly why this election is a contested election instead of a walk-over for the Democrats.<br>
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            <title>Comment #6 by justlou</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:36:45 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The Really Big Show, Joe, Wild Johnny, and Annie</strong></p><p>"Joe has earned the right to take whatever position he wants."</p><p>
He can certainly take whatever position he wants. &nbsp;But we can most certainly question those positions. &nbsp;If he wants to be two faced in his reasoning in the choices he makes that is also his right but don't expect everyone to fall over and accept his ploy in the name of bipartisanship. &nbsp;Had he really been promoting McCain' principles to put national security at the top of his agenda he would have more independently and unbiasedly questioned McCain's choice of Palin. &nbsp;</p><p>
Both sides and both ways. &nbsp;Sometimes the world is just too ridiculous to live in (Little Big Man). &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>The Really Big Show, Joe, Wild Johnny, and Annie</strong></p><p>"Joe has earned the right to take whatever position he wants."</p><p>
He can certainly take whatever position he wants. &nbsp;But we can most certainly question those positions. &nbsp;If he wants to be two faced in his reasoning in the choices he makes that is also his right but don't expect everyone to fall over and accept his ploy in the name of bipartisanship. &nbsp;Had he really been promoting McCain' principles to put national security at the top of his agenda he would have more independently and unbiasedly questioned McCain's choice of Palin. &nbsp;</p><p>
Both sides and both ways. &nbsp;Sometimes the world is just too ridiculous to live in (Little Big Man). &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Russ</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:40:11 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>My memory's just fine</strong></p><p>keng says:</p><p>
When he took an independent stand on one issue - Iraq - the party abandoned him and went with another candidate. </p><p>
In the first place, jumping on the neocon war wagon hardly constitutes taking an independent stand.</p><p>
More importantly, the "party" (if by that you mean the heirarchy) didn't abandon him, Connecticut's primary voters (i.e. the heart and soul) rejected him, at which point he abandoned the party.</p><p>
Most importantly, this rejection wasn't just because of his siding with Cheney on Iraq - lots of Democrats did that.</p><p>
But Lieberman went alot further, posing with Republicans every chance he had, giving aid and comfort to every republican lie and slander, most despicably of all joining in the auto-da-fe of condemning the lack of "patriotism", the implicit treason, of anyone who was against the war.</p><p>
So, while there has indeed been an assault on those who take an independent stand, it's Lieberman who has been one of the assailants.</p>
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				<p><strong>My memory's just fine</strong></p><p>keng says:</p><p>
When he took an independent stand on one issue - Iraq - the party abandoned him and went with another candidate. </p><p>
In the first place, jumping on the neocon war wagon hardly constitutes taking an independent stand.</p><p>
More importantly, the "party" (if by that you mean the heirarchy) didn't abandon him, Connecticut's primary voters (i.e. the heart and soul) rejected him, at which point he abandoned the party.</p><p>
Most importantly, this rejection wasn't just because of his siding with Cheney on Iraq - lots of Democrats did that.</p><p>
But Lieberman went alot further, posing with Republicans every chance he had, giving aid and comfort to every republican lie and slander, most despicably of all joining in the auto-da-fe of condemning the lack of "patriotism", the implicit treason, of anyone who was against the war.</p><p>
So, while there has indeed been an assault on those who take an independent stand, it's Lieberman who has been one of the assailants.</p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by KenG</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:47:35 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Blinders</strong></p><p>The bottom line is that Lieberman had a long record as a moderate Democrat with a hawkish view on the middle east. He also had a long record as a middle of the roader in the Senate. The core Democratic faithful rejected that and he won decisively as an Independent. I certainly can't see any inconsistency in position there. He represents the entire state, not just the Democrats. </p><p>
Contrast that with Jim Jeffords, hailed as a hero by the Democrats. He ran as a Republican and changed parties only after he was safety elected to his last term.</p>
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				<p><strong>Blinders</strong></p><p>The bottom line is that Lieberman had a long record as a moderate Democrat with a hawkish view on the middle east. He also had a long record as a middle of the roader in the Senate. The core Democratic faithful rejected that and he won decisively as an Independent. I certainly can't see any inconsistency in position there. He represents the entire state, not just the Democrats. </p><p>
Contrast that with Jim Jeffords, hailed as a hero by the Democrats. He ran as a Republican and changed parties only after he was safety elected to his last term.</p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by justlou</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:14:06 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>KenG<p>Answer the question: &nbsp;What kind of independence did Lieberman reveal by not questioning McCain's choice of Palin but instead praising her in his speech? &nbsp; <p>
Here is Lieberman's explanation:<br>
Mitchell asked a pretty reasonable question, which has come up more than a few times lately: "Do you feel that Sarah Palin is qualified to be commander in chief if, God forbid, something should happen to John McCain?"<p>
Lieberman eventually, grudgingly, half-heartedly said he thought Palin would be ready, but before he got there, he argued that we shouldn't even worry about the possibility.<p>
"Well, you know, let's assume the best," Lieberman said. "John's in great shape, he's going to be the president, and let's assume that nothing bad will happen. Why should we?" <br>
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source:<a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/</a></br></br></p></p></br></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>KenG<p>Answer the question: &nbsp;What kind of independence did Lieberman reveal by not questioning McCain's choice of Palin but instead praising her in his speech? &nbsp; <p>
Here is Lieberman's explanation:<br>
Mitchell asked a pretty reasonable question, which has come up more than a few times lately: "Do you feel that Sarah Palin is qualified to be commander in chief if, God forbid, something should happen to John McCain?"<p>
Lieberman eventually, grudgingly, half-heartedly said he thought Palin would be ready, but before he got there, he argued that we shouldn't even worry about the possibility.<p>
"Well, you know, let's assume the best," Lieberman said. "John's in great shape, he's going to be the president, and let's assume that nothing bad will happen. Why should we?" <br>
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source:<a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/</a></br></br></p></p></br></p></p></strong></p>
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