<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for The view from Washington]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by pcarbo http://www.grist.org/article/responsibility/ Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:42:08 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/responsibility/1 Small rephrasing

Maybe the "polluter pays principle" should be changed to "give up your loose change principle". 'Cause it won't take much more than that to have a big impact on the developing world.

Thanks, Washington correspondent!

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Maybe the "polluter pays principle" should be changed to "give up your loose change principle". 'Cause it won't take much more than that to have a big impact on the developing world.

Thanks, Washington correspondent!

]]> Comment #2 by pcarbo http://www.grist.org/article/responsibility/ Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:44:53 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/responsibility/2 And...

Perhaps we'd have to give up air travel, too.

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Perhaps we'd have to give up air travel, too.

]]> Comment #3 by b e r n a r d o http://www.grist.org/article/responsibility/ Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:34:26 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/responsibility/3 unfortunately . . .

too many of the mainstream enviros are happily intertwined through their boards of directors and donors w/ the corporate sector and thus unlikely too demand true accountability and compensation  from these interests that bear responsibility for promoting the climate meltdown

but then that has been clear for years as these groups have ignored or given constrained attention to the implications and effects of development and resource extraction in the developing world

as an example of this, my favorite group NRDC is chaired by someone who in some respects seems like a good guy but has also long been a corporate lawyer with Cravath Swaine and Moore, a law firm that represents various dastardly corporations, including Shell in a lawsuit regarding the murder of Nigerians

in this matter, NRDC I don't believe ever had anything to say though its current leader Beinecke was associated with a Conde Nast award which i believe gave Ken Saro-Wiwa a posthumous recognition -- how nice

and NRDC poster boy and fundraiser RFK Jr. was also silent, all while his family charity was taking money from Chevron in that time frame; thus no word from him or his sister the human rights activist regarding the pathetic policies of the Clinton administration in regards to Nigeria, Angola and other parts of the world exploited by Western oil companies

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too many of the mainstream enviros are happily intertwined through their boards of directors and donors w/ the corporate sector and thus unlikely too demand true accountability and compensation  from these interests that bear responsibility for promoting the climate meltdown

but then that has been clear for years as these groups have ignored or given constrained attention to the implications and effects of development and resource extraction in the developing world

as an example of this, my favorite group NRDC is chaired by someone who in some respects seems like a good guy but has also long been a corporate lawyer with Cravath Swaine and Moore, a law firm that represents various dastardly corporations, including Shell in a lawsuit regarding the murder of Nigerians

in this matter, NRDC I don't believe ever had anything to say though its current leader Beinecke was associated with a Conde Nast award which i believe gave Ken Saro-Wiwa a posthumous recognition -- how nice

and NRDC poster boy and fundraiser RFK Jr. was also silent, all while his family charity was taking money from Chevron in that time frame; thus no word from him or his sister the human rights activist regarding the pathetic policies of the Clinton administration in regards to Nigeria, Angola and other parts of the world exploited by Western oil companies

]]> Comment #4 by Tom Athanasiou http://www.grist.org/article/responsibility/ Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:36:51 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/responsibility/4 postscript

Nice article on the public (monday) meeting at Commondreams.org ... right here

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Nice article on the public (monday) meeting at Commondreams.org ... right here

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]]> Comment #5 by spakajewia http://www.grist.org/article/responsibility/ Thu, 19 Apr 2007 06:58:54 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/responsibility/5 DC

Living 8 blocks from the capitol building, and actually being exactly like you, I have to take some offense at your observation of DC.  

It's true that moral arguments don't go far in this city, but that's not because we're all cold-hearted, but rather because we're experienced,  realistic and pragmatic.  

Damning SUV drivers might make us feel better, but it's not making friends.  It's important to proceed in a way that will lead to the best possible outcome, and that way often means toning down moralistic arguments.

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Living 8 blocks from the capitol building, and actually being exactly like you, I have to take some offense at your observation of DC.  

It's true that moral arguments don't go far in this city, but that's not because we're all cold-hearted, but rather because we're experienced,  realistic and pragmatic.  

Damning SUV drivers might make us feel better, but it's not making friends.  It's important to proceed in a way that will lead to the best possible outcome, and that way often means toning down moralistic arguments.

]]> Comment #6 by Earth Shaman http://www.grist.org/article/responsibility/ Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:49:13 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/responsibility/6 Conferences

With the facts of global warming being ignored ,no one will be whole,Mr.Tom when those committes and commisions get through with the place.The earth just does not get warmer from a greenhouse effect,it just does not.We are experiencing a period of anomalous weather and magma heating that is of the same stead as our 11 year solar cycle,but longer lived.It will abate in a few short years and get actually cooler.

Earth Shaman

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With the facts of global warming being ignored ,no one will be whole,Mr.Tom when those committes and commisions get through with the place.The earth just does not get warmer from a greenhouse effect,it just does not.We are experiencing a period of anomalous weather and magma heating that is of the same stead as our 11 year solar cycle,but longer lived.It will abate in a few short years and get actually cooler.

Earth Shaman

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