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            <title>Comment #1 by odograph</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:28:46 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>seven percent solution<p><a href="http://odograph.com/?p=762" rel="nofollow">my research futzing around on the web shows that the "7%" number was probably in error.<p>
(that was an <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075194/" rel="nofollow">olde movie reference!)</a></p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>seven percent solution<p><a href="http://odograph.com/?p=762" rel="nofollow">my research futzing around on the web shows that the "7%" number was probably in error.<p>
(that was an <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075194/" rel="nofollow">olde movie reference!)</a></p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Pathos</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:30:16 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>3 out of 4...</strong></p><p>Okay, most of those, I totally agree, suck.</p><p>
(Yeah, no one at my office got laid last night, either. &nbsp;We could start an interoffice support group, but in my experience, that sort of thing doesn't usually go well. &nbsp;It mostly distracts from work and causes meaningless drama. &nbsp;Also, I don't work in an office.)</p><p>
But how, exactly, is peak oil a bad thing? &nbsp;Call me an ignorant hippie, but if there's less oil, won't people, y'know... &nbsp;Burn less oil? &nbsp;And doesn't that lead to a drop in greenhouse gas emissions? &nbsp;Someone fill me in on what I'm missing, but this is starting to sound suspiciously like a <strong>good</strong> thing.</p>
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				<p><strong>3 out of 4...</strong></p><p>Okay, most of those, I totally agree, suck.</p><p>
(Yeah, no one at my office got laid last night, either. &nbsp;We could start an interoffice support group, but in my experience, that sort of thing doesn't usually go well. &nbsp;It mostly distracts from work and causes meaningless drama. &nbsp;Also, I don't work in an office.)</p><p>
But how, exactly, is peak oil a bad thing? &nbsp;Call me an ignorant hippie, but if there's less oil, won't people, y'know... &nbsp;Burn less oil? &nbsp;And doesn't that lead to a drop in greenhouse gas emissions? &nbsp;Someone fill me in on what I'm missing, but this is starting to sound suspiciously like a <strong>good</strong> thing.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by odograph</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:38:16 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>peak oil goodness</strong></p><p>I might be enough of a hippie to agree, Pathos. &nbsp;The thing is, if we are kind hippies we want a smooth transition, and not gunfights at gas stations.</p><p>
The rate of transition is pretty much up in the air at this point, but the "half by 2030" number used in the upstream EWG report might not be so bad ... for hippies. &nbsp;Plenty of time to tune up everyone's bicycles.</p><p>
(I was going to studiously avoid the last 2 lines ... but I am reminded of a cartoon from Whole Earth years ago. &nbsp;It showed two futures, techno-bliss and hippie-nirvana. &nbsp;In the hippie future people were all riding bikes, and the sign in the park said "love-in today, 2:00 PM".)</p>
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				<p><strong>peak oil goodness</strong></p><p>I might be enough of a hippie to agree, Pathos. &nbsp;The thing is, if we are kind hippies we want a smooth transition, and not gunfights at gas stations.</p><p>
The rate of transition is pretty much up in the air at this point, but the "half by 2030" number used in the upstream EWG report might not be so bad ... for hippies. &nbsp;Plenty of time to tune up everyone's bicycles.</p><p>
(I was going to studiously avoid the last 2 lines ... but I am reminded of a cartoon from Whole Earth years ago. &nbsp;It showed two futures, techno-bliss and hippie-nirvana. &nbsp;In the hippie future people were all riding bikes, and the sign in the park said "love-in today, 2:00 PM".)</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by gmunger</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:53:06 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Call me an ignorant hippie</strong></p><p>Don't forget stinky.</p><p>
As odo likes to point out, predicting the socio-econo-politico- implications of peak oil is problematic. True dat.</p><p>
But having just seen Jim Hanson, live in concert, one of the main factors for mitigating GW that he harped on is the urgent need to put a price on carbon. Strikes me that as the global petroleum supply and demand curves shoot past each other like fighter jets in an air show, the price-o-petro is bound to rise significantly. That sounds like a good thing to me, assuming you believe in all this climate-change stuff.</p><p>
That said, Hanson was also adamant that coal is where the real issue lies. And if we react to petro shortage by substituting coal-based liquid fuels....</p>
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				<p><strong>Call me an ignorant hippie</strong></p><p>Don't forget stinky.</p><p>
As odo likes to point out, predicting the socio-econo-politico- implications of peak oil is problematic. True dat.</p><p>
But having just seen Jim Hanson, live in concert, one of the main factors for mitigating GW that he harped on is the urgent need to put a price on carbon. Strikes me that as the global petroleum supply and demand curves shoot past each other like fighter jets in an air show, the price-o-petro is bound to rise significantly. That sounds like a good thing to me, assuming you believe in all this climate-change stuff.</p><p>
That said, Hanson was also adamant that coal is where the real issue lies. And if we react to petro shortage by substituting coal-based liquid fuels....</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Pathos</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:52:31 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>*grin*</strong></p><p>Alright, so no to liquid coal. &nbsp;I think we can just about all get behind that.</p><p>
Other than that, rock on with the peak oil. &nbsp;Here's hoping production costs soar, and the oil companies generously pass those savings on to the consumer.</p>
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				<p><strong>*grin*</strong></p><p>Alright, so no to liquid coal. &nbsp;I think we can just about all get behind that.</p><p>
Other than that, rock on with the peak oil. &nbsp;Here's hoping production costs soar, and the oil companies generously pass those savings on to the consumer.</p>
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