<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Report: carbon tariffs could bring manufacturing jobs back from China]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by GreyFlcn http://www.grist.org/article/report-carbon-tariffs-could-bring-manufacturing-jobs-back-from-china/ Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:22:03 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/report-carbon-tariffs-could-bring-manufacturing-jobs-back-from-china/1 I wonder

I wonder what Lou Dobbs would have to say about that :P

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I wonder what Lou Dobbs would have to say about that :P

]]> Comment #2 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/report-carbon-tariffs-could-bring-manufacturing-jobs-back-from-china/ Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:38:08 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/report-carbon-tariffs-could-bring-manufacturing-jobs-back-from-china/2 Tarrifs

Tarrifs start trade wars.  Really bad economic juju.  Just what made the greaty depression really great.  Tarrifs and trade war.  we gots to remember our history.

Never fear, cheaper, cleaner energy will create jobs and bring them back.  A double job booster.

New jobs building out renewables and conservation.  And cheaper solar furnace and wind power process energy for manufacturing.  Plus better stuff to manufacture, all the devices that will be needed to power up renewably.  

Everyone else will want these.  Exports, positive trade balance, prospertiy, strong currency, debt and deficit paydown.  It's all doable.  A 10 cent per kwh GHG free energy subsidy would make it zoom ahead.

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]]> Tarrifs

Tarrifs start trade wars.  Really bad economic juju.  Just what made the greaty depression really great.  Tarrifs and trade war.  we gots to remember our history.

Never fear, cheaper, cleaner energy will create jobs and bring them back.  A double job booster.

New jobs building out renewables and conservation.  And cheaper solar furnace and wind power process energy for manufacturing.  Plus better stuff to manufacture, all the devices that will be needed to power up renewably.  

Everyone else will want these.  Exports, positive trade balance, prospertiy, strong currency, debt and deficit paydown.  It's all doable.  A 10 cent per kwh GHG free energy subsidy would make it zoom ahead.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

]]> Comment #3 by GreyFlcn http://www.grist.org/article/report-carbon-tariffs-could-bring-manufacturing-jobs-back-from-china/ Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:38:52 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/report-carbon-tariffs-could-bring-manufacturing-jobs-back-from-china/3 Who says

Who says we're not currently in a trade war?

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Who says we're not currently in a trade war?

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]]> Comment #4 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/report-carbon-tariffs-could-bring-manufacturing-jobs-back-from-china/ Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:04:09 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/report-carbon-tariffs-could-bring-manufacturing-jobs-back-from-china/4 Yeah but

(rhymes with rabbit) A real trade war involves tarrifs and counter tarrifs, escalating into disaster.  That was the great depression.  To paraphrase the inimitable Colbert (the great imitator):  "The great depression, a great depression or the greatest depression?"

If we start a real trade war it'll be one of the greatest, but this next one will be the greatest.  Unlimited unregulated corporate globalization is a disaster, adding a huge global economic slide will only compund it.

Regulation without destruction is needed. Instead what do we get?  Lipservice about regulation and enforcement of present regulation on mega financial trading "banks" and hedge fund scammers.  Huge bailouts that weaken our currency and threaten all of our wages, assets, and savings.

Crony capitalsim touts "free" markets all day long, then relies on government bailouts when their free marketeering goes wrong.  Then when we talk about regulation to prevent anothetr bubble?  They blackmail us by threatening to take their(?, really assets stolen from us all) offshore.

Many of these financial VIPs would be easier to negotiate with if they were in a nice white collar country club prison.  Look what it did for Martha's attitude.  They might even agree to return some of the stolen assets if we offered stuff like extra soap or lime jello on fridays.  Prisoners are grateful for small favors.

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]]> Yeah but

(rhymes with rabbit) A real trade war involves tarrifs and counter tarrifs, escalating into disaster.  That was the great depression.  To paraphrase the inimitable Colbert (the great imitator):  "The great depression, a great depression or the greatest depression?"

If we start a real trade war it'll be one of the greatest, but this next one will be the greatest.  Unlimited unregulated corporate globalization is a disaster, adding a huge global economic slide will only compund it.

Regulation without destruction is needed. Instead what do we get?  Lipservice about regulation and enforcement of present regulation on mega financial trading "banks" and hedge fund scammers.  Huge bailouts that weaken our currency and threaten all of our wages, assets, and savings.

Crony capitalsim touts "free" markets all day long, then relies on government bailouts when their free marketeering goes wrong.  Then when we talk about regulation to prevent anothetr bubble?  They blackmail us by threatening to take their(?, really assets stolen from us all) offshore.

Many of these financial VIPs would be easier to negotiate with if they were in a nice white collar country club prison.  Look what it did for Martha's attitude.  They might even agree to return some of the stolen assets if we offered stuff like extra soap or lime jello on fridays.  Prisoners are grateful for small favors.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

]]> Comment #5 by Pangolin http://www.grist.org/article/report-carbon-tariffs-could-bring-manufacturing-jobs-back-from-china/ Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:37:54 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/report-carbon-tariffs-could-bring-manufacturing-jobs-back-from-china/5 That grinding sound....

that's been just at the edge of your hearing. That's the world economy slowly turning to scrap because the oil that greases the gears has become mighty pricey. Also in little ways (like the failure of the Australian wheat crop) all over the world global warming is starting to inflict costs on economists calculations that weren't in the original draft.

It just happens to be a nasty fact that people aren't very capable of doing without food and petroleum products (who knew?) and they will keep paying for them at the expense of other portions of their budget; like say, the mortgage. "Food" in the west means strange things like... hermetically sealed, shelf-stable, brown rice in single serving packets. Ten servings of which equal the cost of a 20 lb. sack of the same dry rice.  

In the rest of the world the fact that thier monthly 100-lb sack of white rice will now take 2 months income to produce is going to present something of a political problem. Especially since the kerosene to cook that rice now costs a weeks income by itself. I predict a rash of political interruptions (food riots) in the normal course of factory work resulting in a shortage of spare parts in the US. Parts we can't make in the US since we shipped the machine tools to other lands where the hourly wage was equal to the cost of..... a bowl of rice here in the US.

More sand in the gears.

Here at home I've noticed "For Sale" signs are being replaced with "For Rent" signs with nary an occupant in sight. I'm having my doubts as to whether an actual "sale" has taken place or are other arrangements being made to cover the surplus of housing and prop prices up. I suspect the latter since there is a local 450 unit subdivision that sits completely bare and unnocupied with the exception of the sales office in the model units.

Of course some real estate is getting hard to get to as the roads, asphalt roads that is are made partially of oil and your local government likely decided some time ago that taxes were for the little people and they could just rely on real estate transfer taxes  to  pay  for  the  roads.  Oops.

So could somebody please show us how solar panel and wind turbine installation is going to replace all of those jobs in real estate, construction and finance that no longer exist? Charts and arrows please as numbers on paper challenge my US college educamated brain.

Put the Carbon Back


]]> That grinding sound....

that's been just at the edge of your hearing. That's the world economy slowly turning to scrap because the oil that greases the gears has become mighty pricey. Also in little ways (like the failure of the Australian wheat crop) all over the world global warming is starting to inflict costs on economists calculations that weren't in the original draft.

It just happens to be a nasty fact that people aren't very capable of doing without food and petroleum products (who knew?) and they will keep paying for them at the expense of other portions of their budget; like say, the mortgage. "Food" in the west means strange things like... hermetically sealed, shelf-stable, brown rice in single serving packets. Ten servings of which equal the cost of a 20 lb. sack of the same dry rice.  

In the rest of the world the fact that thier monthly 100-lb sack of white rice will now take 2 months income to produce is going to present something of a political problem. Especially since the kerosene to cook that rice now costs a weeks income by itself. I predict a rash of political interruptions (food riots) in the normal course of factory work resulting in a shortage of spare parts in the US. Parts we can't make in the US since we shipped the machine tools to other lands where the hourly wage was equal to the cost of..... a bowl of rice here in the US.

More sand in the gears.

Here at home I've noticed "For Sale" signs are being replaced with "For Rent" signs with nary an occupant in sight. I'm having my doubts as to whether an actual "sale" has taken place or are other arrangements being made to cover the surplus of housing and prop prices up. I suspect the latter since there is a local 450 unit subdivision that sits completely bare and unnocupied with the exception of the sales office in the model units.

Of course some real estate is getting hard to get to as the roads, asphalt roads that is are made partially of oil and your local government likely decided some time ago that taxes were for the little people and they could just rely on real estate transfer taxes  to  pay  for  the  roads.  Oops.

So could somebody please show us how solar panel and wind turbine installation is going to replace all of those jobs in real estate, construction and finance that no longer exist? Charts and arrows please as numbers on paper challenge my US college educamated brain.

Put the Carbon Back


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