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            <title>Comment #1 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:25:00 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>My Tax Dollars At Work<p>Look, don't get me wrong.<p>
I'm happy to make jobs for college students with my tax money. &nbsp;<p>
Rice bowls and all that.<p>
I just don't want you to think that you can pull the wool over my eyes with Crypto-Maltusianism.

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				<p><strong>My Tax Dollars At Work<p>Look, don't get me wrong.<p>
I'm happy to make jobs for college students with my tax money. &nbsp;<p>
Rice bowls and all that.<p>
I just don't want you to think that you can pull the wool over my eyes with Crypto-Maltusianism.

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            <title>Comment #2 by Kevin Doyle</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:30:43 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>No wool pulling</strong></p><p>Well, ok then. &nbsp;I won't get you wrong. &nbsp;I think I might regret asking - in fact, I'm almost sure of it - but what did I say that makes me a "Crypto-Malthusian"? &nbsp;Actually, what <strong>is</strong> a Crypto-Malthusian? &nbsp;<br>
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<p>Kevin Doyle
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				<p><strong>No wool pulling</strong></p><p>Well, ok then. &nbsp;I won't get you wrong. &nbsp;I think I might regret asking - in fact, I'm almost sure of it - but what did I say that makes me a "Crypto-Malthusian"? &nbsp;Actually, what <strong>is</strong> a Crypto-Malthusian? &nbsp;<br>
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            <title>Comment #3 by river2sea72</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:40:36 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>What about the nonprofit sector?</strong></p><p>I am specifically interested in finding something in the nonprofit sector. &nbsp;I've been working in academia since earning my M.S. and have found it extremely difficult to find a good match with a nonprofit. &nbsp;They mostly seem to be hiring development specialists (fund-raisers).</p>
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				<p><strong>What about the nonprofit sector?</strong></p><p>I am specifically interested in finding something in the nonprofit sector. &nbsp;I've been working in academia since earning my M.S. and have found it extremely difficult to find a good match with a nonprofit. &nbsp;They mostly seem to be hiring development specialists (fund-raisers).</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Questionauthority</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:00:42 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>&quot;Job&quot; for almost everyone<p>I remember futile efforts looking for environmental employment about 10 years ago. &nbsp;Glad things are changing now, hopefully not too late. For those not able to find that dreamed-of full-time enviro job, here's something that is available to almost everyone: <a href="http://www.solaroneveryroof.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.solaroneveryroof.com<br>
It should be big news in the not-too-distant future.</br></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>&quot;Job&quot; for almost everyone<p>I remember futile efforts looking for environmental employment about 10 years ago. &nbsp;Glad things are changing now, hopefully not too late. For those not able to find that dreamed-of full-time enviro job, here's something that is available to almost everyone: <a href="http://www.solaroneveryroof.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.solaroneveryroof.com<br>
It should be big news in the not-too-distant future.</br></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by David Roberts</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:20:56 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Kevin,</strong></p><p>Don't feed the trolls!

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				<p><strong>Kevin,</strong></p><p>Don't feed the trolls!

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            <title>Comment #6 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:46:10 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Job, Psalms, Proverbs ...</strong></p><p>Here in NYC, where we mostly live in apartment buildings of one kind or another, I think there is a huge vague unclear unexpressed unrealized desire for greenifying our rooves, como se puede ver en la foto. &nbsp;(Gevalt!, das ist englisch?!) &nbsp;Once that becomes relatively easy to do, and once it becomes fashionable to do (Yay, BioD!), and once the energy savings become evident to the people who write the checks, my guess is that that "Job" will really take off here.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Job, Psalms, Proverbs ...</strong></p><p>Here in NYC, where we mostly live in apartment buildings of one kind or another, I think there is a huge vague unclear unexpressed unrealized desire for greenifying our rooves, como se puede ver en la foto. &nbsp;(Gevalt!, das ist englisch?!) &nbsp;Once that becomes relatively easy to do, and once it becomes fashionable to do (Yay, BioD!), and once the energy savings become evident to the people who write the checks, my guess is that that "Job" will really take off here.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:17:27 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Actually, what is a Crypto-Malthusian?<p><br>
Actually, what is a Crypto-Malthusian? <p>
A Crypto-Malthusian is someone in the long line of philosophical-societal thinkers who believe that the artifices of Man will lead to a natural constraint of resources and result in the doom both of Nature and Man.<p>
This line of thinkers includes Malthus himself as well as the Club of Rome, Peak Oilers, Peak Coalers, Anthropogenic Ice Agers and Silent Springers as well as current Anthropogenic Global Warmers. &nbsp; <p>
Historically, Crytpo-Malthusians have always been proven wrong.<br>


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				<p><strong>Actually, what is a Crypto-Malthusian?<p><br>
Actually, what is a Crypto-Malthusian? <p>
A Crypto-Malthusian is someone in the long line of philosophical-societal thinkers who believe that the artifices of Man will lead to a natural constraint of resources and result in the doom both of Nature and Man.<p>
This line of thinkers includes Malthus himself as well as the Club of Rome, Peak Oilers, Peak Coalers, Anthropogenic Ice Agers and Silent Springers as well as current Anthropogenic Global Warmers. &nbsp; <p>
Historically, Crytpo-Malthusians have always been proven wrong.<br>


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            <title>Comment #8 by A Siegel</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 04:47:31 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Jobs &amp; renewable energy ...</strong></p><p>One of the fallacies is that switching to a (more) sustainable economy would be bad for the economy. &nbsp;This is only true if you ignore the 'free ride' implications of pollutants ... and perhaps only 'maybe' true.</p><p>
Renewables &amp; energy efficiency are great in terms of employment. &nbsp;Trade fossil fuel extraction costs (relatively low labor and not in the local economy where power used) for good quality local jobs while reducing the pollution load.</p><p>
Thanks for this piece. Look forward to the detailed future discussions.</p>
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				<p><strong>Jobs &amp; renewable energy ...</strong></p><p>One of the fallacies is that switching to a (more) sustainable economy would be bad for the economy. &nbsp;This is only true if you ignore the 'free ride' implications of pollutants ... and perhaps only 'maybe' true.</p><p>
Renewables &amp; energy efficiency are great in terms of employment. &nbsp;Trade fossil fuel extraction costs (relatively low labor and not in the local economy where power used) for good quality local jobs while reducing the pollution load.</p><p>
Thanks for this piece. Look forward to the detailed future discussions.</p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by mikeyd</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:48:36 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Crypto-Malthusian...</strong></p><p>I don't know why I reply to close-minded people like you, jabailo...maybe on the slim chance that your closed mind might be opened. &nbsp;</p><p>
Evidenced by gas prices, there actually is a constraint of petrol. &nbsp;Does this bother me? &nbsp;Am I Crypto-Malthusian because I think this way? &nbsp;I think not. &nbsp;</p><p>
What I believe the bigger problem is, is the mass extinction that is happening right under our eyes due to human encroachment. This can be stopped, or greatly decreased.</p><p>
Call me non-anthropocentric. &nbsp;I like that term much better. &nbsp;The problem with your likely utilitarian views, is they will eventually lead to our demise. &nbsp;Under this sort of thinking, <b>killing</b> organsims would be the right thing to do, if the actions outweighed the <b>consequences</b>. I know...off topic a bit, but nevertheless important. &nbsp;</p><p>
Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of a cancer cell.<br>
-Edward Abbey</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Crypto-Malthusian...</strong></p><p>I don't know why I reply to close-minded people like you, jabailo...maybe on the slim chance that your closed mind might be opened. &nbsp;</p><p>
Evidenced by gas prices, there actually is a constraint of petrol. &nbsp;Does this bother me? &nbsp;Am I Crypto-Malthusian because I think this way? &nbsp;I think not. &nbsp;</p><p>
What I believe the bigger problem is, is the mass extinction that is happening right under our eyes due to human encroachment. This can be stopped, or greatly decreased.</p><p>
Call me non-anthropocentric. &nbsp;I like that term much better. &nbsp;The problem with your likely utilitarian views, is they will eventually lead to our demise. &nbsp;Under this sort of thinking, <b>killing</b> organsims would be the right thing to do, if the actions outweighed the <b>consequences</b>. I know...off topic a bit, but nevertheless important. &nbsp;</p><p>
Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of a cancer cell.<br>
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            <title>Comment #10 by jb943</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:50:35 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Thomas Malthus</strong></p><p>Environmentalists are often accused of being Malthusian. The history of this is that Thomas Malthus was an economist from the early 1800s who is most famous for his studies on population growth. He noticed that population grows exponetially while land use can only grow linearly, and thus predicted major food shortages. His prediction was ultimately wrong: he did not foresee that technological advances would enable agriculture to produce more food on the same amount of land. </p><p>
It is true that such calamitous environmental predictions often turn out to be wrong. Thus, when anyone predicts doom-and-gloom, they are called Malthusian. Technology is supposed to save the day. But we know of examples where civilizations have not faired well in the face of environmental problems. Easter Island is perhaps the most famous example. It all comes down to whether or not humanity has the ability to advance and adapt to environmental change. Of course, it gets more complicated: in the case of climate change, for example, while industrialized nations may be able to adapt, and are already starting to put in place the means for adaptation, non-industrialized nations may not fair so well. As Andrew Revkin pointed out in a recent article in the New York Times, we have an ethical problem. </p><p>
But to get to the matter at hand. Explaining what's happening with eco jobs has little to do with Malthusian thinking. If anything, it's the opposite. The fact that the field of environmetal careers is booming and becoming so diversified, both in the private and public sectors, signals adaptation and it's exciting to see what's happening. &nbsp;</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;

<p>Environmental Associate
Kingston, NY</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Thomas Malthus</strong></p><p>Environmentalists are often accused of being Malthusian. The history of this is that Thomas Malthus was an economist from the early 1800s who is most famous for his studies on population growth. He noticed that population grows exponetially while land use can only grow linearly, and thus predicted major food shortages. His prediction was ultimately wrong: he did not foresee that technological advances would enable agriculture to produce more food on the same amount of land. </p><p>
It is true that such calamitous environmental predictions often turn out to be wrong. Thus, when anyone predicts doom-and-gloom, they are called Malthusian. Technology is supposed to save the day. But we know of examples where civilizations have not faired well in the face of environmental problems. Easter Island is perhaps the most famous example. It all comes down to whether or not humanity has the ability to advance and adapt to environmental change. Of course, it gets more complicated: in the case of climate change, for example, while industrialized nations may be able to adapt, and are already starting to put in place the means for adaptation, non-industrialized nations may not fair so well. As Andrew Revkin pointed out in a recent article in the New York Times, we have an ethical problem. </p><p>
But to get to the matter at hand. Explaining what's happening with eco jobs has little to do with Malthusian thinking. If anything, it's the opposite. The fact that the field of environmetal careers is booming and becoming so diversified, both in the private and public sectors, signals adaptation and it's exciting to see what's happening. &nbsp;</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;

<p>Environmental Associate
Kingston, NY</p></p>
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