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            <title>Comment #1 by Jon Rynn</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/recycling-a-carbon-tax-into-carbon-fighting/</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:50:45 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>where did partitioning come from?</strong></p><p>I don't think even mainstream economists would like that idea -- there's no substitutability from one sector to another in that case. &nbsp;To take a ridiculous example, say you had partitioned "buggy whips". &nbsp;The worst part of it, actually, is that you're encouraging exactly what we should be discouraging -- thinking of the economic/environmental system as a set of Descartes-like separate subsectors, with no interaction among the subsectors. &nbsp;In reality, as we're finding out with the food/oil/commodity crises, not to mention climate change/peak oil, these systems should be thought of as holistic systems -- you know, like an ecosystem.</p>
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				<p><strong>where did partitioning come from?</strong></p><p>I don't think even mainstream economists would like that idea -- there's no substitutability from one sector to another in that case. &nbsp;To take a ridiculous example, say you had partitioned "buggy whips". &nbsp;The worst part of it, actually, is that you're encouraging exactly what we should be discouraging -- thinking of the economic/environmental system as a set of Descartes-like separate subsectors, with no interaction among the subsectors. &nbsp;In reality, as we're finding out with the food/oil/commodity crises, not to mention climate change/peak oil, these systems should be thought of as holistic systems -- you know, like an ecosystem.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Gar Lipow</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:30:21 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Partitioning</strong></p><p>I thought that was what Roberts was arguing for when he talked about "no net loss of capital in the sector". Otherwise, I don't know what he meant there. But my point was that this would not work, so I was not advocating it, nor was I attributing the idea to mainstream economists. &nbsp;Actually I'm not attributing any of this "carrots" thing to mainstream economists. Most mainstream economist advocate either a straight carbon tax or a straight cap N trade or some mixture. </p>
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				<p><strong>Partitioning</strong></p><p>I thought that was what Roberts was arguing for when he talked about "no net loss of capital in the sector". Otherwise, I don't know what he meant there. But my point was that this would not work, so I was not advocating it, nor was I attributing the idea to mainstream economists. &nbsp;Actually I'm not attributing any of this "carrots" thing to mainstream economists. Most mainstream economist advocate either a straight carbon tax or a straight cap N trade or some mixture. </p>
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