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            <title>Comment #1 by trouserdude</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:25:22 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Good Message</strong></p><p>The Apollo Alliance is a great organization which put the message in a very positive, but serious context. &nbsp;The energy bill is loaded with tax breaks for all kinds of polluting corporations that run this country on energy from the past. &nbsp;The message of this reaction, that i like so much, is that there is great work being done on the state and local level. </p><p>
I believe action on the local level is oftentimes a precursor to action on the national level, and I hope to see clean energy power our economy and provide jobs within it. &nbsp;</p><p>
The Apollo Alliance looks to be doing a good job of articulating a progressive vision for this country.</p>
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				<p><strong>Good Message</strong></p><p>The Apollo Alliance is a great organization which put the message in a very positive, but serious context. &nbsp;The energy bill is loaded with tax breaks for all kinds of polluting corporations that run this country on energy from the past. &nbsp;The message of this reaction, that i like so much, is that there is great work being done on the state and local level. </p><p>
I believe action on the local level is oftentimes a precursor to action on the national level, and I hope to see clean energy power our economy and provide jobs within it. &nbsp;</p><p>
The Apollo Alliance looks to be doing a good job of articulating a progressive vision for this country.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 03:56:52 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Very weak.</strong></p><p>"The Apollo Alliance looks to be doing a good job of articulating a progressive vision for this country."</p><p>
Unfortunately the actual proposals made by Apollo are very weak. &nbsp;Their rhetoric is admirable though.</p><p>
Maybe they can strengthen their plan as a reaction to this horribly rotten pork passed by those 76 craven, greedy senators.</p><p>
It's hard to come up with adjectives harsh enough to adequately describe the lack of character of the &nbsp;individuals who voted for this energy bill.</p><p>
Now many democrats will be campaigning in '06 having voted for this travesty. &nbsp;Not a good sign when any old GOPer can challenge them on their porcine vote.<br>
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				<p><strong>Very weak.</strong></p><p>"The Apollo Alliance looks to be doing a good job of articulating a progressive vision for this country."</p><p>
Unfortunately the actual proposals made by Apollo are very weak. &nbsp;Their rhetoric is admirable though.</p><p>
Maybe they can strengthen their plan as a reaction to this horribly rotten pork passed by those 76 craven, greedy senators.</p><p>
It's hard to come up with adjectives harsh enough to adequately describe the lack of character of the &nbsp;individuals who voted for this energy bill.</p><p>
Now many democrats will be campaigning in '06 having voted for this travesty. &nbsp;Not a good sign when any old GOPer can challenge them on their porcine vote.<br>
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            <title>Comment #3 by trouserdude</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:29:55 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Apollo Alliance and Progressive Articulation</strong></p><p>By reviewing the Alliance's points and plan, I'm finding their articulation of energy issues to be an inspiring one. &nbsp;Their incorporation of economic issues and appeal to actual decision makers makes this an especially strong coalition.</p><p>
The coalition hasn't put forth any actual legislation (although there is similar legislation calling for an Apollo-style renewable energy future), but is aiming towards incredibly beneficial ideas of both increasing renewable energy use and our overall energy efficiency. &nbsp;It is calling for both of those proposals with the strong focus of economic and environmental benefits.</p><p>
I would be interested to know, though, what the weak proposals that you have found are. &nbsp;The Democratic Party is going to have to be a vehicle for realizing a progressive vision, but it needs to take a much stronger stance that it already has in favor of clean and renewable energies. &nbsp;</p><p>
When looking at energy and environmental issues, Democrats consistently take a stronger positions than Republicans. &nbsp;There are Republicans who vote good votes on environmental and other issues, but by and large the Democrats are a much friendlier folk towards economic and environmental issues such as energy than Republicans by and large. &nbsp;While I think there is a lot of work to do with Democrats (Democrats in the Senate voted overwhelmingly for the Energy Bill while opposition in the House was strongly Democrat), the Party can be a great vehicle towards progress.</p><p>
There will certainly be Democrats campaigning on their Energy Bill vote, but there are many who are supportive of a beneficial future based on renewables. &nbsp;That wing of the party, along with progressive organizations, can actively articulate an energy future. &nbsp;I don't think ann energy future can be realized without a Party in power that is friendly towards renewable and clean energy sources. &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>Apollo Alliance and Progressive Articulation</strong></p><p>By reviewing the Alliance's points and plan, I'm finding their articulation of energy issues to be an inspiring one. &nbsp;Their incorporation of economic issues and appeal to actual decision makers makes this an especially strong coalition.</p><p>
The coalition hasn't put forth any actual legislation (although there is similar legislation calling for an Apollo-style renewable energy future), but is aiming towards incredibly beneficial ideas of both increasing renewable energy use and our overall energy efficiency. &nbsp;It is calling for both of those proposals with the strong focus of economic and environmental benefits.</p><p>
I would be interested to know, though, what the weak proposals that you have found are. &nbsp;The Democratic Party is going to have to be a vehicle for realizing a progressive vision, but it needs to take a much stronger stance that it already has in favor of clean and renewable energies. &nbsp;</p><p>
When looking at energy and environmental issues, Democrats consistently take a stronger positions than Republicans. &nbsp;There are Republicans who vote good votes on environmental and other issues, but by and large the Democrats are a much friendlier folk towards economic and environmental issues such as energy than Republicans by and large. &nbsp;While I think there is a lot of work to do with Democrats (Democrats in the Senate voted overwhelmingly for the Energy Bill while opposition in the House was strongly Democrat), the Party can be a great vehicle towards progress.</p><p>
There will certainly be Democrats campaigning on their Energy Bill vote, but there are many who are supportive of a beneficial future based on renewables. &nbsp;That wing of the party, along with progressive organizations, can actively articulate an energy future. &nbsp;I don't think ann energy future can be realized without a Party in power that is friendly towards renewable and clean energy sources. &nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:16:33 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Reply<p>"I would be interested to know, though, what the weak proposals that you have found are."<p>
I have detailed them here.<p>
<a href="http://amazngdrx.myblogsite.com/blog/_archives/2005/7/30/1090022.html" rel="nofollow">http://amazngdrx.myblogsite.com/blog/_archives/2005/7/30/1090022.html<p>
(Sorry for the link, but I have been warned by the moderator that my participation here has received many complaints from authors and participants. A banning seems imminent.)<br>
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				<p><strong>Reply<p>"I would be interested to know, though, what the weak proposals that you have found are."<p>
I have detailed them here.<p>
<a href="http://amazngdrx.myblogsite.com/blog/_archives/2005/7/30/1090022.html" rel="nofollow">http://amazngdrx.myblogsite.com/blog/_archives/2005/7/30/1090022.html<p>
(Sorry for the link, but I have been warned by the moderator that my participation here has received many complaints from authors and participants. A banning seems imminent.)<br>
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            <title>Comment #5 by trouserdude</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 03:01:06 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>thanks</strong></p><p>thanks for the link, i'm reading through it now.</p>
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				<p><strong>thanks</strong></p><p>thanks for the link, i'm reading through it now.</p>
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