<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for The new administration’s success with climate policy will depend on where they start]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/questions-of-sequence/ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:25:47 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/questions-of-sequence/1 No work...no pollution


I don't understand you Greens.

First, you want to tear down the New Industrial State.   Then when it self destructs, you want to prop it up with bailouts and works programs.

Look, if homes are cheap, oil is cheap, and food is cheap, then who cares.  Just trash all the mortgages, let people live in their houses and give them enough money to eat.

This is why we need to build a "stasis" system not a "transit" system:

http://www.superstructgame.org/SuperstructView/465

The problem isn't that we need fuel to go somewhere else, the problem is that we aren't already in the right place to begin with.  If we were already in the right place, then we wouldn't need to go somewhere else, and we'd have no need for fuel, automobiles, congestion, transit systems, airplanes, etc.


]]> No work...no pollution


I don't understand you Greens.

First, you want to tear down the New Industrial State.   Then when it self destructs, you want to prop it up with bailouts and works programs.

Look, if homes are cheap, oil is cheap, and food is cheap, then who cares.  Just trash all the mortgages, let people live in their houses and give them enough money to eat.

This is why we need to build a "stasis" system not a "transit" system:

http://www.superstructgame.org/SuperstructView/465

The problem isn't that we need fuel to go somewhere else, the problem is that we aren't already in the right place to begin with.  If we were already in the right place, then we wouldn't need to go somewhere else, and we'd have no need for fuel, automobiles, congestion, transit systems, airplanes, etc.


]]> Comment #2 by GreenMom http://www.grist.org/article/questions-of-sequence/ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:33:29 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/questions-of-sequence/2 They'll start with carbon cap-and-trade...

....and I'll bet they insert into that legislation a free pass from NSR for anyone covered under the cap-and-trade.  

An interesting question will be whether the bill will be multi-pollutant -- i.e. covering carbon cap-and-trade, but including NOx and SO2 trading as well (a la EPA's recently struck-down Clean Air Interstate Rule).

I'm not sure how that all fits together, but it'd be interesting to watch it all unfold.

Thank goodness (in advance) for Henry Waxman.  If this all happens successfully, it'll be because of him.  Oh, and Ed Markey too.

]]> They'll start with carbon cap-and-trade...

....and I'll bet they insert into that legislation a free pass from NSR for anyone covered under the cap-and-trade.  

An interesting question will be whether the bill will be multi-pollutant -- i.e. covering carbon cap-and-trade, but including NOx and SO2 trading as well (a la EPA's recently struck-down Clean Air Interstate Rule).

I'm not sure how that all fits together, but it'd be interesting to watch it all unfold.

Thank goodness (in advance) for Henry Waxman.  If this all happens successfully, it'll be because of him.  Oh, and Ed Markey too.

]]> Comment #3 by Biodiversivist http://www.grist.org/article/questions-of-sequence/ Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:53:45 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/questions-of-sequence/3 Can democracy survive complexity ....

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

]]> Can democracy survive complexity ....

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

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