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            <title>Comment #1 by jdhlax</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:44:49 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The Issue Is ...</strong></p><p>what is effective. &nbsp;The Rainforest Action Network (RAN) is one of the most effective enviro groups, winning many important victories. &nbsp;Sierra Club is a mixed bag, with many sellout to go along with some important victories. &nbsp;However, RAN has an exponentially smaller budget than Sierra Club and is much more effective per dollar received and spent.</p>
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				<p><strong>The Issue Is ...</strong></p><p>what is effective. &nbsp;The Rainforest Action Network (RAN) is one of the most effective enviro groups, winning many important victories. &nbsp;Sierra Club is a mixed bag, with many sellout to go along with some important victories. &nbsp;However, RAN has an exponentially smaller budget than Sierra Club and is much more effective per dollar received and spent.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by davedenali</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:59:56 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>RAN &quot;more efffective??&quot;</strong></p><p>Comparing Rainforest Action Network -- a relatively small, recent, single-issue organization -- to the 750,000-member Sierra Club is just silly. &nbsp;The club works on a broad range of issues, with hundreds of local groups nationwide. &nbsp;There are roles for different organizations and different approaches. &nbsp;But effective, broad-based activism means you have to reach mainstream Americans, and angry, confrontational tactics generally don't accomplish that.</p>
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				<p><strong>RAN &quot;more efffective??&quot;</strong></p><p>Comparing Rainforest Action Network -- a relatively small, recent, single-issue organization -- to the 750,000-member Sierra Club is just silly. &nbsp;The club works on a broad range of issues, with hundreds of local groups nationwide. &nbsp;There are roles for different organizations and different approaches. &nbsp;But effective, broad-based activism means you have to reach mainstream Americans, and angry, confrontational tactics generally don't accomplish that.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by davedenali</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 00:18:49 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Sierra Club and Ford</strong></p><p>Your post leaves out a crucial fact. &nbsp;The Sierra Club has been extremely critical of Ford in the past, even running an ad that blasted Ford for going backwards on mileage since the Model T. &nbsp;Now Ford comes out with a hybrid SUV with far better mileage. &nbsp;That act deserved to be recognized, but again, you have to know the context: the Sierra Club has been a vocal critic of Ford.</p>
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				<p><strong>Sierra Club and Ford</strong></p><p>Your post leaves out a crucial fact. &nbsp;The Sierra Club has been extremely critical of Ford in the past, even running an ad that blasted Ford for going backwards on mileage since the Model T. &nbsp;Now Ford comes out with a hybrid SUV with far better mileage. &nbsp;That act deserved to be recognized, but again, you have to know the context: the Sierra Club has been a vocal critic of Ford.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:28:20 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>whoops.</strong></p><p>You misunderstood the "2x4" metaphor.</p><p>
The 2x4 in this case is a boycott of Ford and GM products, which is underway, with environmentally activated consumers buying Toyotsa and Honda vehicles.</p><p>
Were that 2x4 swung hard enough and vocally enough, then the big 2 execs would here the whisper.</p><p>
Sierra Club ads should call for a boycott by all it's members until Ford and GM introduce real hybrid vehicles like Toyota and Honda have, and in signifigant numbers.</p><p>
There's your 2x4.</p>
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				<p><strong>whoops.</strong></p><p>You misunderstood the "2x4" metaphor.</p><p>
The 2x4 in this case is a boycott of Ford and GM products, which is underway, with environmentally activated consumers buying Toyotsa and Honda vehicles.</p><p>
Were that 2x4 swung hard enough and vocally enough, then the big 2 execs would here the whisper.</p><p>
Sierra Club ads should call for a boycott by all it's members until Ford and GM introduce real hybrid vehicles like Toyota and Honda have, and in signifigant numbers.</p><p>
There's your 2x4.</p>
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