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            <title>Comment #1 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:19:20 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>BP discount</strong></p><p>Then there's the discount BP offers too. &nbsp;And friendly colors.</p><p>
Now if only they would go ethanol-free with their gas.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>BP discount</strong></p><p>Then there's the discount BP offers too. &nbsp;And friendly colors.</p><p>
Now if only they would go ethanol-free with their gas.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by wiscidea</title>
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				<p><strong>Interesting...</strong></p><p>I was purchasing gas from CITGO.... until they decided to go ethanol-free. Now I've returned to filling my tank at BP.

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				<p><strong>Interesting...</strong></p><p>I was purchasing gas from CITGO.... until they decided to go ethanol-free. Now I've returned to filling my tank at BP.

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            <title>Comment #3 by Ron Steenblik</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 02:43:44 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>And then there is Ethi-NolÂ©<p>Here are some Qs and As from a tongue-in-cheek <a href="http://www.joinfoil.org/" rel="nofollow">web site that extends Dr. X's idea:<p>
Q: What is corn-based ethanol?<br>
A: A fuel additive commodity with mixed reviews, that involves political patronage and taxpayer subsidies to exist. Corn simply is not a justifiable source of fuel for vehicles. Diverting corn from the food table and animal feed stocks to power cars drives up the cost of food and returns very little energy for the fuel invested to produce it.<p>
Q: What is your Ethi-Nol&#169; brand?<br>
A: A branded ethanol with a pre-emptive promise of good citizenship and environmental stewardship. "No corn was injured in the making of this product."<p>
Q: With my company needing more ethanol of any kind than it can get it hands on, why should I promise my customers that they are not buying corn-based ethanol?<br>
A: Soon, very soon, corn farmers will not be able to meet even 1 percent of the ethanol demand and all vendors will rely on cheaper cane and cellulose ethanol. By boycotting corn ethanol and branding Ethi-Nol&#169;, you can lock up non-corn sources while making a splash with your White Hat image.</br></p></br></p></br></p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>And then there is Ethi-NolÂ©<p>Here are some Qs and As from a tongue-in-cheek <a href="http://www.joinfoil.org/" rel="nofollow">web site that extends Dr. X's idea:<p>
Q: What is corn-based ethanol?<br>
A: A fuel additive commodity with mixed reviews, that involves political patronage and taxpayer subsidies to exist. Corn simply is not a justifiable source of fuel for vehicles. Diverting corn from the food table and animal feed stocks to power cars drives up the cost of food and returns very little energy for the fuel invested to produce it.<p>
Q: What is your Ethi-Nol&#169; brand?<br>
A: A branded ethanol with a pre-emptive promise of good citizenship and environmental stewardship. "No corn was injured in the making of this product."<p>
Q: With my company needing more ethanol of any kind than it can get it hands on, why should I promise my customers that they are not buying corn-based ethanol?<br>
A: Soon, very soon, corn farmers will not be able to meet even 1 percent of the ethanol demand and all vendors will rely on cheaper cane and cellulose ethanol. By boycotting corn ethanol and branding Ethi-Nol&#169;, you can lock up non-corn sources while making a splash with your White Hat image.</br></p></br></p></br></p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:49:13 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Start The Revolution Without Them<p><br>
Man, Grist, you are pathetic.<p>
"Best gas stations"...how about "friendliest martinet"?<p>
We're moving away from GAS-O-LINE to GAS -- as in H2, which you (H2)8rs can't stand.

<p>John Bailo<br>
<a href="http://supratext.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">Supratext:</a></br></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Start The Revolution Without Them<p><br>
Man, Grist, you are pathetic.<p>
"Best gas stations"...how about "friendliest martinet"?<p>
We're moving away from GAS-O-LINE to GAS -- as in H2, which you (H2)8rs can't stand.

<p>John Bailo<br>
<a href="http://supratext.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">Supratext:</a></br></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by wiscidea</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:07:00 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I thought...</strong></p><p>... we were moving toward hybrids running on biofuel and nuclear power?</p><p>
Hydrogen? That's so late 20th century.

<p>Forward!</p></p>
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				<p><strong>I thought...</strong></p><p>... we were moving toward hybrids running on biofuel and nuclear power?</p><p>
Hydrogen? That's so late 20th century.

<p>Forward!</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by J. Walsh</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:49:23 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>BP?  really?</strong></p><p>BP at the top, even with their recent successful lobbying the state of Indiana to have the state giant BP permission to increase discharges of ammonia and sludge into Lake Michigan?</p><p>
wow</p><p>
and that does not even include their billions in dollars in Superfund cleanup liabilities they have found for 15 years.</p>
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				<p><strong>BP?  really?</strong></p><p>BP at the top, even with their recent successful lobbying the state of Indiana to have the state giant BP permission to increase discharges of ammonia and sludge into Lake Michigan?</p><p>
wow</p><p>
and that does not even include their billions in dollars in Superfund cleanup liabilities they have found for 15 years.</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by kmp</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 01:07:21 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>You've got to admit</strong></p><p>"friendliest martinet" is funny.</p>
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				<p><strong>You've got to admit</strong></p><p>"friendliest martinet" is funny.</p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 01:42:55 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>GMO</strong></p><p>leaking test tubes? &nbsp;Hehey. &nbsp;still pro-ethanol is a sure sign of some kind of modification.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>GMO</strong></p><p>leaking test tubes? &nbsp;Hehey. &nbsp;still pro-ethanol is a sure sign of some kind of modification.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by wiscidea</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 01:49:35 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Dr X... Bioethanol...</strong></p><p>Bioethanol: The only responsible way to combine alcohol and driving!</p><p>
Surely not the best slogan I can come up with, but I'll keep working on it.</p><p>
And no, the GMOs have not crawled out of their tubes and modified me... as far as I know.

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				<p><strong>Dr X... Bioethanol...</strong></p><p>Bioethanol: The only responsible way to combine alcohol and driving!</p><p>
Surely not the best slogan I can come up with, but I'll keep working on it.</p><p>
And no, the GMOs have not crawled out of their tubes and modified me... as far as I know.

<p>Forward!</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by eriqa</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:32:14 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Beyond Prevention...</strong></p><p>Beyond Prudence...<br>
Befouling Pristine Waters...<br>
...to bring you Bio-Petrol.</p><p>
(Bike Proudly.)</br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Beyond Prevention...</strong></p><p>Beyond Prudence...<br>
Befouling Pristine Waters...<br>
...to bring you Bio-Petrol.</p><p>
(Bike Proudly.)</br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:45:44 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Bioethanol?</strong></p><p>What's that? &nbsp;Is that from organic GMO corn? &nbsp;

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Bioethanol?</strong></p><p>What's that? &nbsp;Is that from organic GMO corn? &nbsp;

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by wiscidea</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:56:40 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>How about lawn clippings?</strong></p><p>We'll engineer Kentucky Bluegrass to store ethanol in super-stable vacuoles. Just mow, collect, squeeze, and filter. Direct from resource-hogging lawn to resource-hogging SUV!</p><p>
Think we could get Monsanto, BP, Scotts, and GM behind this?</p><p>
heheheheh

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				<p><strong>How about lawn clippings?</strong></p><p>We'll engineer Kentucky Bluegrass to store ethanol in super-stable vacuoles. Just mow, collect, squeeze, and filter. Direct from resource-hogging lawn to resource-hogging SUV!</p><p>
Think we could get Monsanto, BP, Scotts, and GM behind this?</p><p>
heheheheh

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            <title>Comment #13 by wiscidea</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 03:08:15 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Returning to topic...</strong></p><p>Seriously, however, why should environmentalists even have automobiles or use any transporation dependent on gasoline, diesel, or biofuel? The list of distributors should really be irrelevant to everyone visiting this website. They are all "evil". So... just stop buying gas. Move to an urban area where you can walk or bike to work. Cooperate to build neighborhoods that don't require automobiles. Boycott fossil fuel and biofuel. Why not?</p><p>
I know some of you don't have cars. Congratulations for breaking free of our cultural addiction to petroleum... seriously... it probably wasn't easy. Wish I had the courage and to do the same.</p><p>
But what about the rest of you? Why do you still have cars? Why not move to a place where you don't need a car? There have been plenty of examples described on this very website.

<p>Forward!</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Returning to topic...</strong></p><p>Seriously, however, why should environmentalists even have automobiles or use any transporation dependent on gasoline, diesel, or biofuel? The list of distributors should really be irrelevant to everyone visiting this website. They are all "evil". So... just stop buying gas. Move to an urban area where you can walk or bike to work. Cooperate to build neighborhoods that don't require automobiles. Boycott fossil fuel and biofuel. Why not?</p><p>
I know some of you don't have cars. Congratulations for breaking free of our cultural addiction to petroleum... seriously... it probably wasn't easy. Wish I had the courage and to do the same.</p><p>
But what about the rest of you? Why do you still have cars? Why not move to a place where you don't need a car? There have been plenty of examples described on this very website.

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            <title>Comment #14 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 03:10:29 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Yep</strong></p><p>you just might. &nbsp;Go for it. &nbsp;The human infestation is so much more virulent in corporate form. &nbsp;You just trying to make a living right? </p><p>
Armageddon here we come!</p><p>
All for the bottomline. &nbsp;Funny stuff alright. </p><p>
Can't wait until the ethanol nodule bluegrass catches fire! &nbsp;What a firestorm. &nbsp;Oooh the colors. &nbsp;Spread it across the prairie and conservation reserve land too.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Yep</strong></p><p>you just might. &nbsp;Go for it. &nbsp;The human infestation is so much more virulent in corporate form. &nbsp;You just trying to make a living right? </p><p>
Armageddon here we come!</p><p>
All for the bottomline. &nbsp;Funny stuff alright. </p><p>
Can't wait until the ethanol nodule bluegrass catches fire! &nbsp;What a firestorm. &nbsp;Oooh the colors. &nbsp;Spread it across the prairie and conservation reserve land too.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #15 by wiscidea</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 03:11:05 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Those...</strong></p><p>.... who liberated themselves from the automobile... how did you do it? Any advice for the rest of us?

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				<p><strong>Those...</strong></p><p>.... who liberated themselves from the automobile... how did you do it? Any advice for the rest of us?

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            <title>Comment #16 by GreyFlcn</title>
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				<p><strong>Any form of biofuel<p>Any form of biofuel which uses fresh water and arable land is irresponsible.<br>
<a href="http://globalpublicmedia.com/the_reality_report_the_myths_of_biofuels" rel="nofollow">http://globalpublicmedia.com/the_reality_report_the_myths ...<p>
Unless of course that material would have found it's way into a waste treatment facility, or landfill.<br>
<a href="http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=49377&amp;src=rss" rel="nofollow">http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=49 ...<p>
Using agricultural fodder isn't "waste".<br>
<a href="http://culturechange.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=107&amp;Itemid=1" rel="nofollow">http://culturechange.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content ...<br>
<a href="http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/why-cellulosic-ethanol-will-not-save-us/" rel="nofollow">http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/why-cellulosic-ethanol- ...<br>
<a href="http://www.stopbp-berkeley.org/CellulosicBiofuels.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.stopbp-berkeley.org/CellulosicBiofuels.pdf</a></br></a></br></a></br></p></a></br></p></a></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Any form of biofuel<p>Any form of biofuel which uses fresh water and arable land is irresponsible.<br>
<a href="http://globalpublicmedia.com/the_reality_report_the_myths_of_biofuels" rel="nofollow">http://globalpublicmedia.com/the_reality_report_the_myths ...<p>
Unless of course that material would have found it's way into a waste treatment facility, or landfill.<br>
<a href="http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=49377&amp;src=rss" rel="nofollow">http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=49 ...<p>
Using agricultural fodder isn't "waste".<br>
<a href="http://culturechange.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=107&amp;Itemid=1" rel="nofollow">http://culturechange.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content ...<br>
<a href="http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/why-cellulosic-ethanol-will-not-save-us/" rel="nofollow">http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/why-cellulosic-ethanol- ...<br>
<a href="http://www.stopbp-berkeley.org/CellulosicBiofuels.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.stopbp-berkeley.org/CellulosicBiofuels.pdf</a></br></a></br></a></br></p></a></br></p></a></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #17 by wiscidea</title>
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				<p><strong>Dr X...</strong></p><p>You weren't supposed to point out the fire hazard. Once people were addicted to the new grass, there would be an opportunity to sell a chemical they could spray on their lawn to prevent unwanted spontaneous combustion!!!

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				<p><strong>Dr X...</strong></p><p>You weren't supposed to point out the fire hazard. Once people were addicted to the new grass, there would be an opportunity to sell a chemical they could spray on their lawn to prevent unwanted spontaneous combustion!!!

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            <title>Comment #18 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 03:21:30 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Wisci is to GMO</strong></p><p>what buddy is to nukes. &nbsp;Creative ideas for a wonderful future. &nbsp; Buddy wants thorium powered cars, better than genetically engineering all life on earth to continue guzzling gas?</p><p>
they will do both! &nbsp;luckily 10s of billions have just been added to the national debt for new nukes. &nbsp;but is GMO falling behind in subsidies?</p><p>
Let's hope not! &nbsp;We need cancer and mutation to save the planet from human infestation. &nbsp;

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Wisci is to GMO</strong></p><p>what buddy is to nukes. &nbsp;Creative ideas for a wonderful future. &nbsp; Buddy wants thorium powered cars, better than genetically engineering all life on earth to continue guzzling gas?</p><p>
they will do both! &nbsp;luckily 10s of billions have just been added to the national debt for new nukes. &nbsp;but is GMO falling behind in subsidies?</p><p>
Let's hope not! &nbsp;We need cancer and mutation to save the planet from human infestation. &nbsp;

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #19 by wiscidea</title>
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				<p><strong>Thorium?</strong></p><p>The extraction process appears complicated... from Wikipedia...</p><p>
"Thorium has been extracted chiefly from monazite through a multi-stage process. In the first stage, the monazite sand is dissolved in an inorganic acid such as sulfuric acid (H2SO4). In the second, the Thorium is extracted into an organic phase containing an amine. Next it is separated or "stripped" using an anion such as nitrate, chloride, hydroxide, or carbonate, returning the thorium to an aqueous phase. Finally, the thorium is precipitated and collected."</p><p>
Hmmmm... I wonder whether we can engineer a plant that could do this? Collect from soil via deep roots, concentrate it in easily harvested leaves. Yes. We'll get right on it. We'll make the leaves hot pink and very bitter so nobody accidentally eats them. What could go wrong?</p><p>
But what about those automobiles???

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				<p><strong>Thorium?</strong></p><p>The extraction process appears complicated... from Wikipedia...</p><p>
"Thorium has been extracted chiefly from monazite through a multi-stage process. In the first stage, the monazite sand is dissolved in an inorganic acid such as sulfuric acid (H2SO4). In the second, the Thorium is extracted into an organic phase containing an amine. Next it is separated or "stripped" using an anion such as nitrate, chloride, hydroxide, or carbonate, returning the thorium to an aqueous phase. Finally, the thorium is precipitated and collected."</p><p>
Hmmmm... I wonder whether we can engineer a plant that could do this? Collect from soil via deep roots, concentrate it in easily harvested leaves. Yes. We'll get right on it. We'll make the leaves hot pink and very bitter so nobody accidentally eats them. What could go wrong?</p><p>
But what about those automobiles???

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            <title>Comment #20 by amazingdrx</title>
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				<p><strong>Bacteria</strong></p><p>With jimson weed genetic splicing. &nbsp;Surprised you didn't know that. Hmmmm...

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				<p><strong>Bacteria</strong></p><p>With jimson weed genetic splicing. &nbsp;Surprised you didn't know that. Hmmmm...

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            <title>Comment #21 by amazingdrx</title>
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				<p><strong>autos?</strong></p><p>Serial plugin hybrids with a 40 mile battery range would reduce oil consumption by 90%. &nbsp;oil reserves will last decades that way.</p><p>
Not to mention lots of renewable electric powered light rail and buses. &nbsp;And mega miles of bike trails.</p><p>
As mass transit and bike trails and batteries get better, zero fuel will be needed.</p><p>
but all your GMO grass will blanket the earth by then. &nbsp;How to eradicate it and restore nature once that happens?</p><p>
More GMO, right? &nbsp;Hehehey. &nbsp;It's always the same answer. &nbsp;More of the same disastrous, budget killing contractor corruption. &nbsp;Self perpetuating corporate kleptocaracy.</p><p>
nuclear waste? &nbsp;reactors that eat waste. &nbsp;funny guys.

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				<p><strong>autos?</strong></p><p>Serial plugin hybrids with a 40 mile battery range would reduce oil consumption by 90%. &nbsp;oil reserves will last decades that way.</p><p>
Not to mention lots of renewable electric powered light rail and buses. &nbsp;And mega miles of bike trails.</p><p>
As mass transit and bike trails and batteries get better, zero fuel will be needed.</p><p>
but all your GMO grass will blanket the earth by then. &nbsp;How to eradicate it and restore nature once that happens?</p><p>
More GMO, right? &nbsp;Hehehey. &nbsp;It's always the same answer. &nbsp;More of the same disastrous, budget killing contractor corruption. &nbsp;Self perpetuating corporate kleptocaracy.</p><p>
nuclear waste? &nbsp;reactors that eat waste. &nbsp;funny guys.

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            <title>Comment #22 by wiscidea</title>
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				<p><strong>No...</strong></p><p>Not THOSE automobiles.</p><p>
Scroll up a bit to reach my question under "Returning to topic...".

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				<p><strong>No...</strong></p><p>Not THOSE automobiles.</p><p>
Scroll up a bit to reach my question under "Returning to topic...".

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            <title>Comment #23 by Sam Wells</title>
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				<p><strong>Major misunderstanding</strong></p><p>I like the flaming bluegrass vacuole discussion right fine, but what's this about branded gasoline? &nbsp;</p><p>
In most areas of the country, gasoline is a fungible product pipelined from one or more refineries. &nbsp;The truckers fill up their tanks and add a 5-gallon pail or two of additive such as "System 3" or some hooey like that. &nbsp;The actual brand of gasoline has very little meaning these days when you buy it at the pump. &nbsp;The outlets can be captive (only sell what a certain truck carriers) or independent (sell whatever he or she wants). &nbsp;</p><p>
I've written about this before when people wanted to boycott a certain brand, such as Citgo or Exxon. &nbsp;A boycott probably HELPS their marketing because the refiners don't sell just to stores having their corporate signs. &nbsp;The sell to the highest bidder the can find, a penny here or there wins the deal.</p><p>
Do you have an accounting of where your water comes from? &nbsp;Is it well #59 or surface acreage from a certain impoundment lake intake? &nbsp;You just don't know, do you, since water is water.</p><p>
Same for gasoline, folks.<br>
sammie

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				<p><strong>Major misunderstanding</strong></p><p>I like the flaming bluegrass vacuole discussion right fine, but what's this about branded gasoline? &nbsp;</p><p>
In most areas of the country, gasoline is a fungible product pipelined from one or more refineries. &nbsp;The truckers fill up their tanks and add a 5-gallon pail or two of additive such as "System 3" or some hooey like that. &nbsp;The actual brand of gasoline has very little meaning these days when you buy it at the pump. &nbsp;The outlets can be captive (only sell what a certain truck carriers) or independent (sell whatever he or she wants). &nbsp;</p><p>
I've written about this before when people wanted to boycott a certain brand, such as Citgo or Exxon. &nbsp;A boycott probably HELPS their marketing because the refiners don't sell just to stores having their corporate signs. &nbsp;The sell to the highest bidder the can find, a penny here or there wins the deal.</p><p>
Do you have an accounting of where your water comes from? &nbsp;Is it well #59 or surface acreage from a certain impoundment lake intake? &nbsp;You just don't know, do you, since water is water.</p><p>
Same for gasoline, folks.<br>
sammie

<p>Onward through the fog</p></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #24 by GreyFlcn</title>
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				<p><strong>Well<p>Perhaps you could base it on how much funding each company gives do deny climate change.<p>
_<p>
Also just to cut things short on that GMO discussion.<p>
Realistically plants get 3-6% solar efficiency.<br>
And the VERY BEST a plant could hope to yield is 11%, since thats the Physics limitation of photosynthesis.<p>
11% after you factor in all the losses past that in the fuel chain makes even the worst solar panels look idea.<p>
As is, Sugar Cane is the best crop out there, and it's still pitiful compared to solar.<br>
<a href="http://greyfalcon.net/sugarsolar" rel="nofollow">http://greyfalcon.net/sugarsolar</a></br></p></p></br></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Well<p>Perhaps you could base it on how much funding each company gives do deny climate change.<p>
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Also just to cut things short on that GMO discussion.<p>
Realistically plants get 3-6% solar efficiency.<br>
And the VERY BEST a plant could hope to yield is 11%, since thats the Physics limitation of photosynthesis.<p>
11% after you factor in all the losses past that in the fuel chain makes even the worst solar panels look idea.<p>
As is, Sugar Cane is the best crop out there, and it's still pitiful compared to solar.<br>
<a href="http://greyfalcon.net/sugarsolar" rel="nofollow">http://greyfalcon.net/sugarsolar</a></br></p></p></br></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #25 by wiscidea</title>
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				<p><strong>Attempt to reboot thread...</strong></p><p>... at this point...

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				<p><strong>Attempt to reboot thread...</strong></p><p>... at this point...

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            <title>Comment #26 by wiscidea</title>
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				<p><strong>Returning to topic...</strong></p><p>Seriously, however, why should environmentalists even have automobiles or use any transporation dependent on gasoline, diesel, or biofuel? The list of distributors should really be irrelevant to everyone visiting this website. They are ALL "evil". So... just stop buying gas. Move to an urban area where you can walk or bike to work. Cooperate to build neighborhoods that don't require automobiles. Boycott ALL fossil fuel and biofuel. Why not?<br>
I know some of you don't have cars. Congratulations for breaking free of our cultural addiction to petroleum... seriously... it probably wasn't easy. Wish I had the courage and to do the same.</p><p>
But what about the rest of you? Why do you still have cars? Why not move to a place where you don't need a car? There have been plenty of examples described on this very website.

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				<p><strong>Returning to topic...</strong></p><p>Seriously, however, why should environmentalists even have automobiles or use any transporation dependent on gasoline, diesel, or biofuel? The list of distributors should really be irrelevant to everyone visiting this website. They are ALL "evil". So... just stop buying gas. Move to an urban area where you can walk or bike to work. Cooperate to build neighborhoods that don't require automobiles. Boycott ALL fossil fuel and biofuel. Why not?<br>
I know some of you don't have cars. Congratulations for breaking free of our cultural addiction to petroleum... seriously... it probably wasn't easy. Wish I had the courage and to do the same.</p><p>
But what about the rest of you? Why do you still have cars? Why not move to a place where you don't need a car? There have been plenty of examples described on this very website.

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            <title>Comment #27 by gmunger</title>
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				<p><strong>gadzooks</strong></p><p>Realistically plants get 3-6% solar efficiency.<br>
And the VERY BEST a plant could hope to yield is 11%, since thats the Physics limitation of photosynthesis.</p><p>
Based on the mountain of squash on my kitchen counter, I'd say my zuchinni plants are capable of <b>way</b> more than 11%. Why can't we &nbsp;make liquid fuel from zuchinni? I've got surplus...</br></p>
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				<p><strong>gadzooks</strong></p><p>Realistically plants get 3-6% solar efficiency.<br>
And the VERY BEST a plant could hope to yield is 11%, since thats the Physics limitation of photosynthesis.</p><p>
Based on the mountain of squash on my kitchen counter, I'd say my zuchinni plants are capable of <b>way</b> more than 11%. Why can't we &nbsp;make liquid fuel from zuchinni? I've got surplus...</br></p>
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