<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for McCain’s running mate has offered mixed message on climate change]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Johanna K http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/ Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:27:32 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/1 Well, McCain has a very consistent record-

His message is clear: here is a detailed list with links to roll call votes: McCain voted 50 times against clean energy

]]> Well, McCain has a very consistent record-

His message is clear: here is a detailed list with links to roll call votes: McCain voted 50 times against clean energy

]]> Comment #2 by mreinbold http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/ Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:56:36 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/2 I love the Sarah Palin

who thinks Algore is an idiot.

]]> I love the Sarah Palin

who thinks Algore is an idiot.

]]> Comment #3 by AdvocateOfLife http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/ Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:47:58 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/3 New Climate Change Wiki

If you are interested in climate change, you are invited to contribute to

http://beautifulplanetearth.wikispaces.com/

Together we want to come up with a coherent theory of climate change incorporating all scientific findings concerning the issue.

]]> New Climate Change Wiki

If you are interested in climate change, you are invited to contribute to

http://beautifulplanetearth.wikispaces.com/

Together we want to come up with a coherent theory of climate change incorporating all scientific findings concerning the issue.

]]> Comment #4 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/ Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:04:59 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/4 Flip flop flip flop

She doesn't know what she thinks until her lobbyist campaign handlers tell her what to think.  That's decisive leadership?  

It's nice that she noticed the permafrost melt destroying Alaskan's homes though.  Did she notice it threatening to destroy existing oil pipelines?

Time for another flip flop?  

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

]]> Flip flop flip flop

She doesn't know what she thinks until her lobbyist campaign handlers tell her what to think.  That's decisive leadership?  

It's nice that she noticed the permafrost melt destroying Alaskan's homes though.  Did she notice it threatening to destroy existing oil pipelines?

Time for another flip flop?  

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

]]> Comment #5 by mreinbold http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/ Sat, 13 Sep 2008 06:53:38 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/5 Want to come up with a coherent theory

of climate change. Well, well, you are admitting that there isn't one.

]]> Want to come up with a coherent theory

of climate change. Well, well, you are admitting that there isn't one.

]]> Comment #6 by GreyFlcn http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/ Sat, 13 Sep 2008 08:47:45 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/6 re: mreinbold

So the Statospshere (upper atmosphere) and the Troposphere (lower atmosphere) are the two primary layers of earth's atmosphere.

They represent over 99% of it, the rest is essentially just vacuum.

_

Now can you explain to me why the Stratosphere is getting colder?

Since the way I see it.  It's as if there's something in the Troposphere blocking heat from getting into the Stratosphere.

Meanwhile, the Troposphere is heating up.

http://greyfalcon.net/trends2.png

-David Ahlport

]]> re: mreinbold

So the Statospshere (upper atmosphere) and the Troposphere (lower atmosphere) are the two primary layers of earth's atmosphere.

They represent over 99% of it, the rest is essentially just vacuum.

_

Now can you explain to me why the Stratosphere is getting colder?

Since the way I see it.  It's as if there's something in the Troposphere blocking heat from getting into the Stratosphere.

Meanwhile, the Troposphere is heating up.

http://greyfalcon.net/trends2.png

-David Ahlport

]]> Comment #7 by GreyFlcn http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/ Sat, 13 Sep 2008 08:51:27 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/7 Arg

Wrong link

This is the correct one.
http://greyfalcon.net/forcing2.png

-David Ahlport


]]> Arg

Wrong link

This is the correct one.
http://greyfalcon.net/forcing2.png

-David Ahlport


]]> Comment #8 by GreyFlcn http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/ Sat, 13 Sep 2008 08:58:39 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/8 Anyways

On the original topic.

McCain's policy reversal list is a mile long ;D
http://thecarpetbaggerreport.com/flipflops
http://thinkprogress.org/mccain-flip-flops

-David Ahlport



]]> Anyways

On the original topic.

McCain's policy reversal list is a mile long ;D
http://thecarpetbaggerreport.com/flipflops
http://thinkprogress.org/mccain-flip-flops

-David Ahlport



]]> Comment #9 by mreinbold http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/ Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:00:51 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/9 Wow

that was coherent?

]]> Wow

that was coherent?

]]> Comment #10 by GreyFlcn http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/ Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:24:07 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/10 Simpler? OK.

Wow, that was coherent?
Fair enough, how about this:

You effectively got 2 atmospheric layers that make up the near entirety of our atmosphere.

You got sunlight coming into the earth, and heat reflecting back out into space.

If "something" in the lower layer, were blocking heat from getting to the upper layer; Then what you'd expect to see is that the lower layer would get hotter while the upper layer would get colder.

_

Well guess what,
That's exactly what's been happening.
http://greyfalcon.net/forcing2.png

-David Ahlport




]]> Simpler? OK.

Wow, that was coherent?
Fair enough, how about this:

You effectively got 2 atmospheric layers that make up the near entirety of our atmosphere.

You got sunlight coming into the earth, and heat reflecting back out into space.

If "something" in the lower layer, were blocking heat from getting to the upper layer; Then what you'd expect to see is that the lower layer would get hotter while the upper layer would get colder.

_

Well guess what,
That's exactly what's been happening.
http://greyfalcon.net/forcing2.png

-David Ahlport




]]> Comment #11 by mominmo2139 http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/ Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:47:00 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/palin-v-palin/11 This Planet I Love

It is not a question that the climate is changing and it is not a question that the people that live here are impacting its change.  The only question is what the eventual outcome will be.  On one side you have the uncontroled heating of the Earth until it becomes a red world instead of the blue one and on the other, you have a world that heats to a point then freezes in an ice age.  Argue as much as you want about the outcome but none of them are acceptable.  Change is hard and scarry.  Change is probably the most scarry thing out there.  One way or another and at some point in time, it will be necessary to change.  This time, let us change in the right ways before it is thrust upon us!

]]> This Planet I Love

It is not a question that the climate is changing and it is not a question that the people that live here are impacting its change.  The only question is what the eventual outcome will be.  On one side you have the uncontroled heating of the Earth until it becomes a red world instead of the blue one and on the other, you have a world that heats to a point then freezes in an ice age.  Argue as much as you want about the outcome but none of them are acceptable.  Change is hard and scarry.  Change is probably the most scarry thing out there.  One way or another and at some point in time, it will be necessary to change.  This time, let us change in the right ways before it is thrust upon us!

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