<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Organic farms don’t treat workers any better than other farms]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by jdhlax http://www.grist.org/article/organically-groan-working-conditions-on-californias-organic-farms/ Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:33:30 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/organically-groan-working-conditions-on-californias-organic-farms/1 Organic Is Still Better For Workers

It seems that your Leftist leanings have blinded you to the fact that workers on an organic farm are not subjected to the petroleum based pesticides that those on farms using those pesticides are.  This is supposed to be an environmetal blog; how about concentrating on environmental issues instead of social ones?

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It seems that your Leftist leanings have blinded you to the fact that workers on an organic farm are not subjected to the petroleum based pesticides that those on farms using those pesticides are.  This is supposed to be an environmetal blog; how about concentrating on environmental issues instead of social ones?

]]> Comment #2 by accel2 http://www.grist.org/article/organically-groan-working-conditions-on-californias-organic-farms/ Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:06:29 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/organically-groan-working-conditions-on-californias-organic-farms/2 compartmentalizing compassion

Wow, that was a rather callous remark.

]]> compartmentalizing compassion

Wow, that was a rather callous remark.

]]> Comment #3 by Lisa Hymas http://www.grist.org/article/organically-groan-working-conditions-on-californias-organic-farms/ Thu, 20 Oct 2005 01:56:19 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/organically-groan-working-conditions-on-californias-organic-farms/3 Indeed.

Most people care about more than a single set of issues. And progressives are increasingly realizing that they can accomplish a lot more if they work together than if they gripe and say, "That's not my issue."

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Most people care about more than a single set of issues. And progressives are increasingly realizing that they can accomplish a lot more if they work together than if they gripe and say, "That's not my issue."

]]> Comment #4 by Tom Philpott http://www.grist.org/article/organically-groan-working-conditions-on-californias-organic-farms/ Thu, 20 Oct 2005 03:08:13 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/organically-groan-working-conditions-on-californias-organic-farms/4 The environmental/social divide...

... is an absurd myth. Environmental issues are social issues. And if organic agriculture depends on a bunch of guys heroically sneaking over a border that's probably better policed than the Iraqi/Syrian one, or the Afghan/Pakistan one, then I wonder how sustainable it is.

]]> The environmental/social divide...

... is an absurd myth. Environmental issues are social issues. And if organic agriculture depends on a bunch of guys heroically sneaking over a border that's probably better policed than the Iraqi/Syrian one, or the Afghan/Pakistan one, then I wonder how sustainable it is.

]]> Comment #5 by Sishongjerry http://www.grist.org/article/organically-groan-working-conditions-on-californias-organic-farms/ Thu, 20 Oct 2005 03:27:04 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/organically-groan-working-conditions-on-californias-organic-farms/5 Ouch

no real comment on this issue, but wow, dissention and bitterness abounds

]]> Ouch

no real comment on this issue, but wow, dissention and bitterness abounds

]]> Comment #6 by jdhlax http://www.grist.org/article/organically-groan-working-conditions-on-californias-organic-farms/ Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:15:13 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/organically-groan-working-conditions-on-californias-organic-farms/6 Environmental Issues Are Social Issues?

Yeah, and black is white.  Of course there's some overlap but, no, environmental and social issues are distinctly different.  To use this article as an example, the rate of pay and benefits received by workers is a social issue.  Whether the Earth is poisoned by pesticides is an environmental issue.  The overlap is that people, mostly farmworkers, who are very underpaid, will also be affected by pesticide use.

I never said that I don't care about social issues.  I've marched in many anti-war demos and have fought with anti-racist groups.  I also donate to abortion rights groups, though the issue of womens' rights to decide about their own bodies and preventing unwanted pregnancies in order to reduce human population overlap.  I also believe we should try to work with non-environmental groups in alliances.  However, as an enviro, the environment is my strong priority.

My original point, which obviously hit a nerve with some, was that this is supposed to be an enviro blog, not a leftist one.  There are conservative and even right wing enviros, though I'm not one of them.  There has been far too much emphasis on social issues on a blog that's supposed to be enviromental.

]]> Environmental Issues Are Social Issues?

Yeah, and black is white.  Of course there's some overlap but, no, environmental and social issues are distinctly different.  To use this article as an example, the rate of pay and benefits received by workers is a social issue.  Whether the Earth is poisoned by pesticides is an environmental issue.  The overlap is that people, mostly farmworkers, who are very underpaid, will also be affected by pesticide use.

I never said that I don't care about social issues.  I've marched in many anti-war demos and have fought with anti-racist groups.  I also donate to abortion rights groups, though the issue of womens' rights to decide about their own bodies and preventing unwanted pregnancies in order to reduce human population overlap.  I also believe we should try to work with non-environmental groups in alliances.  However, as an enviro, the environment is my strong priority.

My original point, which obviously hit a nerve with some, was that this is supposed to be an enviro blog, not a leftist one.  There are conservative and even right wing enviros, though I'm not one of them.  There has been far too much emphasis on social issues on a blog that's supposed to be enviromental.

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