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            <title>Comment #1 by kmp</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:17:51 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>BioD,<p>I'm disappointed in you. &nbsp;The cheapest flat screen they had? &nbsp;Were not some other criteria important? &nbsp;The most <a href="http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=find_a_product.showProductGroup&amp;pgw_code=TV" rel="nofollow">energy efficient? The most <a href="http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/electronics-computers/how-to-recycle-your-tv-and-computer-206/index.htm" rel="nofollow">recyclable? The most long-lasting? &nbsp;The "<a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/09/wip_panasonic_w.php" rel="nofollow">greenest?"<p>
Perhaps this was a question for Umbra. But even I can understand that the status-seeking male suddenly finding himself sans remote might just panic and willy nilly buy the first 20" flat screen that falls to hand, rather than wait for the advice of an environmental columnist. &nbsp;Especially a female one! &nbsp;&lt;g&gt; </p></a></a></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>BioD,<p>I'm disappointed in you. &nbsp;The cheapest flat screen they had? &nbsp;Were not some other criteria important? &nbsp;The most <a href="http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=find_a_product.showProductGroup&amp;pgw_code=TV" rel="nofollow">energy efficient? The most <a href="http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/electronics-computers/how-to-recycle-your-tv-and-computer-206/index.htm" rel="nofollow">recyclable? The most long-lasting? &nbsp;The "<a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/09/wip_panasonic_w.php" rel="nofollow">greenest?"<p>
Perhaps this was a question for Umbra. But even I can understand that the status-seeking male suddenly finding himself sans remote might just panic and willy nilly buy the first 20" flat screen that falls to hand, rather than wait for the advice of an environmental columnist. &nbsp;Especially a female one! &nbsp;&lt;g&gt; </p></a></a></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by David Roberts</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 04:10:36 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>More to the point ...</strong></p><p>... 20 inches? I'm just saying.</p><p>
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<p>www.grist.org</p>
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				<p><strong>More to the point ...</strong></p><p>... 20 inches? I'm just saying.</p><p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by bookerly</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 06:52:34 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Wow</strong></p><p><br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;Gee, David, I think that's bigger than my room.... sigh....</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;There was a great cartoon (I forgot by who!) which showed a boy sitting on a stage in front of a television, remote in hand.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;Caption "talent shows of the future".</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;(or something like that!).</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;Hopefully some of the money sent to China will go to paying for English lessons (grin).</p><p>
patrick</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Wow</strong></p><p><br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;Gee, David, I think that's bigger than my room.... sigh....</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;There was a great cartoon (I forgot by who!) which showed a boy sitting on a stage in front of a television, remote in hand.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;Caption "talent shows of the future".</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;(or something like that!).</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;Hopefully some of the money sent to China will go to paying for English lessons (grin).</p><p>
patrick</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by deardancer3</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:53:26 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Ebike question</strong></p><p>BioD:</p><p>
What town, what kind of electric bike, where did you get it?</p><p>
Good for you!</p><p>
D</p>
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				<p><strong>Ebike question</strong></p><p>BioD:</p><p>
What town, what kind of electric bike, where did you get it?</p><p>
Good for you!</p><p>
D</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Robert Delfs</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:04:34 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Whose pollution?<p>Are "Organic Sugar Frosted Mini-Wheats" for real, or did you make that up? I assume it is for real, and that ad execs are clear-thinking realists (i.e., that we're not very bright).<p>
It may be less surprising since I don't live in the US, but it occurred to me the other day that I no longer own a single manufactured product made in the US. I think the last things were a pair of levis that wore out in the mid-1990s, and a pair of Ikelite underwater strobes that never really worked. (I use Japanese strobes now.) A few items (mostly clothing, things like running shoes) branded by US companies, but all manufactured abroad, mostly in Asia. &nbsp;The only things I own that come from the US are books (recycled trees).<p>
To the extent that this becomes true even for people living in the US, the "enviromental friendliness" of industrial products that biodiversivist talks about becomes largely a matter of other countries' environments and their governments' regulations. <p>
It also implies, among other things, that we should not become too self-satisfied because problems related to industry-based air and water pollution and &nbsp;solid waste disposal appear to be improving slightly (or getting worse less rapidly) in the US. <p>
Consumers of wide-screen TVs, running shoes, toasters and "organic sugar-frosted super wheat thins" in the US export polluting processes and the pollution itself to Asia, along with the companies and equipment that have &nbsp;moved from places like Ohio and Indiana to Shenyang and Wuhan over the past 20 years.<p>
That won't save us. The carbon emissions, mercury and sulfur - all the so-called "invisible exports" from China that can now reach across the Pacific to the US West Coast and the rest of the world is not just China's pollution. It's also ours.<p>
<a href="http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-04/13/content_567420.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-04/13/content_567...<br>
<a href="http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=5058" rel="nofollow">http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=5058<br>
<a href="http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=7590" rel="nofollow">http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=7590

<p>Robert Delfs</p></a></br></a></br></a></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Whose pollution?<p>Are "Organic Sugar Frosted Mini-Wheats" for real, or did you make that up? I assume it is for real, and that ad execs are clear-thinking realists (i.e., that we're not very bright).<p>
It may be less surprising since I don't live in the US, but it occurred to me the other day that I no longer own a single manufactured product made in the US. I think the last things were a pair of levis that wore out in the mid-1990s, and a pair of Ikelite underwater strobes that never really worked. (I use Japanese strobes now.) A few items (mostly clothing, things like running shoes) branded by US companies, but all manufactured abroad, mostly in Asia. &nbsp;The only things I own that come from the US are books (recycled trees).<p>
To the extent that this becomes true even for people living in the US, the "enviromental friendliness" of industrial products that biodiversivist talks about becomes largely a matter of other countries' environments and their governments' regulations. <p>
It also implies, among other things, that we should not become too self-satisfied because problems related to industry-based air and water pollution and &nbsp;solid waste disposal appear to be improving slightly (or getting worse less rapidly) in the US. <p>
Consumers of wide-screen TVs, running shoes, toasters and "organic sugar-frosted super wheat thins" in the US export polluting processes and the pollution itself to Asia, along with the companies and equipment that have &nbsp;moved from places like Ohio and Indiana to Shenyang and Wuhan over the past 20 years.<p>
That won't save us. The carbon emissions, mercury and sulfur - all the so-called "invisible exports" from China that can now reach across the Pacific to the US West Coast and the rest of the world is not just China's pollution. It's also ours.<p>
<a href="http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-04/13/content_567420.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-04/13/content_567...<br>
<a href="http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=5058" rel="nofollow">http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=5058<br>
<a href="http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=7590" rel="nofollow">http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=7590

<p>Robert Delfs</p></a></br></a></br></a></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:37:16 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>You people kill me<p>Kaela,<p>
Your intuition cuts like a knife.<p>
Mr. Delfs<p>
Your mind, she is like a steel trap. And yes, those commercials for organic sugar frosted mini-wheats and the soap being used to clean penguins are for real, and I agree, we are for the most part a bunch of idiots. It is the hand we have been dealt and we must do the best we can with it. I tried to find video clips of both commercials but came up short.<p>
Dave,<p>
How big is yours (if that's not getting too personal)? Don't tell me you don't have one (a TV).<p>
Patrick,<p>
You might try contacting our family friend through her blog if you are serious about looking for an English teaching job.<p>
Deardancer3,<p>
This post should bring you up to date:<p>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/9/8/82015/17778" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/9/8/82015/17778<p>
I live in Seattle and there is an electric bike store a few miles from my house. I made my own with a kit from the Internet.<br>


<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></br></p></a></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>You people kill me<p>Kaela,<p>
Your intuition cuts like a knife.<p>
Mr. Delfs<p>
Your mind, she is like a steel trap. And yes, those commercials for organic sugar frosted mini-wheats and the soap being used to clean penguins are for real, and I agree, we are for the most part a bunch of idiots. It is the hand we have been dealt and we must do the best we can with it. I tried to find video clips of both commercials but came up short.<p>
Dave,<p>
How big is yours (if that's not getting too personal)? Don't tell me you don't have one (a TV).<p>
Patrick,<p>
You might try contacting our family friend through her blog if you are serious about looking for an English teaching job.<p>
Deardancer3,<p>
This post should bring you up to date:<p>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/9/8/82015/17778" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/9/8/82015/17778<p>
I live in Seattle and there is an electric bike store a few miles from my house. I made my own with a kit from the Internet.<br>


<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></br></p></a></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by David Roberts</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:11:48 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Well</strong></p><p>How big is yours (if that's not getting too personal)? Don't tell me you don't have one (a TV).</p><p>
I don't have one. </p><p>
That's not to say I don't watch TV. I watch numerous shows regularly. I just download them onto my computer.</p><p>
Legally of course!!! Totally legally.

<p>www.grist.org</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Well</strong></p><p>How big is yours (if that's not getting too personal)? Don't tell me you don't have one (a TV).</p><p>
I don't have one. </p><p>
That's not to say I don't watch TV. I watch numerous shows regularly. I just download them onto my computer.</p><p>
Legally of course!!! Totally legally.

<p>www.grist.org</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by bookerly</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:49:04 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Thanks</strong></p><p><br>
&nbsp; Dear Biodiversivist,</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Thanks! &nbsp;Actually, I was joking. &nbsp;I am already teaching more hours than I can stand, and turning down work regularly.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; But I hope your friend enjoys her time here.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; (And my room is a bit bigger than that!)</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Did you try YouTube for the commercials? &nbsp;They have folks who snip about everything.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; There was an interesting show on Chinese TV last night about how wind and solar power are being used to provide electricity to poor areas in the West of China.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Waiting for basketball season to start....</p><p>
patrick<br>
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				<p><strong>Thanks</strong></p><p><br>
&nbsp; Dear Biodiversivist,</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Thanks! &nbsp;Actually, I was joking. &nbsp;I am already teaching more hours than I can stand, and turning down work regularly.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; But I hope your friend enjoys her time here.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; (And my room is a bit bigger than that!)</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Did you try YouTube for the commercials? &nbsp;They have folks who snip about everything.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; There was an interesting show on Chinese TV last night about how wind and solar power are being used to provide electricity to poor areas in the West of China.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Waiting for basketball season to start....</p><p>
patrick<br>
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