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            <title>Comment #1 by Mikensfl</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:57:26 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Who certifies technology for carbon credit?</strong></p><p>Our company is currently looking to partner with a company whom can assist on having our technology (the data) certified for carbon credits. Our company is a software integrator in field of Mobile Resource Management (MRM). We already have numerous GPS tracking devices integrated into our ASP system and would like to use the data from diagnostic modules to reduce fuel consumption, thus reducing carbon emissions. </p><p>
Our goal is to partner with a company who is familiar with the process and methodology that we can work with to get our algorithms certified in order to generate carbon credits. Once certified, the credits would be sold into the markets. </p><p>
The transporation industry is one of the largest contributors to GHG so we beleive this would be a viable project...if we can locate the right partner. </p><p>
I would appreciate if anyone here could point me to someone and/or a company who can help our company locate a well established company in this field to help move our project forward in 08.</p><p>
Thanks in advance! </p><p>
Mike </p>
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				<p><strong>Who certifies technology for carbon credit?</strong></p><p>Our company is currently looking to partner with a company whom can assist on having our technology (the data) certified for carbon credits. Our company is a software integrator in field of Mobile Resource Management (MRM). We already have numerous GPS tracking devices integrated into our ASP system and would like to use the data from diagnostic modules to reduce fuel consumption, thus reducing carbon emissions. </p><p>
Our goal is to partner with a company who is familiar with the process and methodology that we can work with to get our algorithms certified in order to generate carbon credits. Once certified, the credits would be sold into the markets. </p><p>
The transporation industry is one of the largest contributors to GHG so we beleive this would be a viable project...if we can locate the right partner. </p><p>
I would appreciate if anyone here could point me to someone and/or a company who can help our company locate a well established company in this field to help move our project forward in 08.</p><p>
Thanks in advance! </p><p>
Mike </p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:48:03 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Local Radiohead<p><br>
Every suburban town in the Free World has a few whining, morose nihilists that look and sound like Radiohead. &nbsp; There's no reason for the originals to tour. &nbsp;<p>
All they have to do is use an AP Wirephoto or some other new fangled gizmo to send their mall-bred Doppelgangers the lastest tablature and let them wail away (literally) in the subdivision.

<p><b><a href="http://log.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">My Log</a></b></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Local Radiohead<p><br>
Every suburban town in the Free World has a few whining, morose nihilists that look and sound like Radiohead. &nbsp; There's no reason for the originals to tour. &nbsp;<p>
All they have to do is use an AP Wirephoto or some other new fangled gizmo to send their mall-bred Doppelgangers the lastest tablature and let them wail away (literally) in the subdivision.

<p><b><a href="http://log.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">My Log</a></b></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by JMG</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:59:05 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Wired: Wondertoy Porn</strong></p><p>Wired is nothing but Playboy magazine for the 90s -- good for this guy for recognizing the problem. &nbsp;</p><p>
Meanwhil, yes, you need to make that call. -- As will we all. &nbsp;Last week I turned down a really nice week-long training opportunity in February in Albuquerque NM because the expectation is that I would fly to and from said training (to be with many other people who have flown from all over the country to partake). &nbsp;No support for taking the train, which would add several days on each end (although they would be very productive days, as there are few better places to catch up on work than a sleeper car on a train).</p><p>
Ironic/Sad postscript: &nbsp;the training that many dozens of people will fly to attend is on environmental damage assessments.

<p>Save the world:  Reduce greenhouse gas emissions 5% annually.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Wired: Wondertoy Porn</strong></p><p>Wired is nothing but Playboy magazine for the 90s -- good for this guy for recognizing the problem. &nbsp;</p><p>
Meanwhil, yes, you need to make that call. -- As will we all. &nbsp;Last week I turned down a really nice week-long training opportunity in February in Albuquerque NM because the expectation is that I would fly to and from said training (to be with many other people who have flown from all over the country to partake). &nbsp;No support for taking the train, which would add several days on each end (although they would be very productive days, as there are few better places to catch up on work than a sleeper car on a train).</p><p>
Ironic/Sad postscript: &nbsp;the training that many dozens of people will fly to attend is on environmental damage assessments.

<p>Save the world:  Reduce greenhouse gas emissions 5% annually.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Sam Wells</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:44:13 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Yorke said something new!</strong></p><p>When you're done having you fun, Mr. Yorke had the fresh idea of not only thinking about him, his entourage, and the stadium with respect to Global Warming, but the audience as well. &nbsp;</p><p>
Have any of YOU thought about that? &nbsp;The audience?

<p>Onward through the fog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Yorke said something new!</strong></p><p>When you're done having you fun, Mr. Yorke had the fresh idea of not only thinking about him, his entourage, and the stadium with respect to Global Warming, but the audience as well. &nbsp;</p><p>
Have any of YOU thought about that? &nbsp;The audience?

<p>Onward through the fog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:42:08 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>&quot;Reason not the need!&quot;</strong></p><p>With regard to environmental ethics, this is not a new question: how to justify discretionary travel, i.e. not strictly necessary, if that travel involves wastefulness and pollution. &nbsp;I have not heard the question asked before of large concerts, however, which is kind of surprising.</p><p>
Thom Yorke's observations are very good. &nbsp;But is it time to abolish all concert tours once and for all, save to venues where the audience promise beforehand to ride bikes or take public transportation? &nbsp;After all, concerts are rare and unrepeatable cultural experiences. &nbsp;To say that attending such an event is "not strictly necessary" may be true, but that seems not to get the whole picture.</p><p>
JMG's event in Albuquerque is another matter. &nbsp;It would be interesting to know how many other people questioned the travel implications as he has done, and of those who did, how many could justify it, and why.</p><p>
In his not unexpectedly catty and unpleasant end-of-year cluster-bomb essay, equipped with liberal-seeking warheads, in Newsweek, George F. Will made at least one good observation, that the airport at Bali was packed to overflowing with small jets, during the conference. &nbsp;I had been asking myself, in fact, how much jet travel to Bali there had been, from North America and Europe, on the part of NGO people and other environmentalist activists -- and to what effect?</p><p>
One form of discretionary driving somewhat comparable to driving to a concert is driving to church on Sunday. &nbsp;Has anyone calculated how much gasoline is consumed by church-goers in the US on any given Sunday?

<p>Chickens are our cousins!  So are fish!  So are other sentient animals!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>&quot;Reason not the need!&quot;</strong></p><p>With regard to environmental ethics, this is not a new question: how to justify discretionary travel, i.e. not strictly necessary, if that travel involves wastefulness and pollution. &nbsp;I have not heard the question asked before of large concerts, however, which is kind of surprising.</p><p>
Thom Yorke's observations are very good. &nbsp;But is it time to abolish all concert tours once and for all, save to venues where the audience promise beforehand to ride bikes or take public transportation? &nbsp;After all, concerts are rare and unrepeatable cultural experiences. &nbsp;To say that attending such an event is "not strictly necessary" may be true, but that seems not to get the whole picture.</p><p>
JMG's event in Albuquerque is another matter. &nbsp;It would be interesting to know how many other people questioned the travel implications as he has done, and of those who did, how many could justify it, and why.</p><p>
In his not unexpectedly catty and unpleasant end-of-year cluster-bomb essay, equipped with liberal-seeking warheads, in Newsweek, George F. Will made at least one good observation, that the airport at Bali was packed to overflowing with small jets, during the conference. &nbsp;I had been asking myself, in fact, how much jet travel to Bali there had been, from North America and Europe, on the part of NGO people and other environmentalist activists -- and to what effect?</p><p>
One form of discretionary driving somewhat comparable to driving to a concert is driving to church on Sunday. &nbsp;Has anyone calculated how much gasoline is consumed by church-goers in the US on any given Sunday?

<p>Chickens are our cousins!  So are fish!  So are other sentient animals!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by spaceshaper</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/on-the-road-again1/</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:54:01 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Music miles,</strong></p><p>food miles, love miles, work miles, play miles, booty miles, save-the-earth miles, god miles.</p><p>
Lotta miles.<br>


<p>The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit.</p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Music miles,</strong></p><p>food miles, love miles, work miles, play miles, booty miles, save-the-earth miles, god miles.</p><p>
Lotta miles.<br>


<p>The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit.</p></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by JMG</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:43:24 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Church miles</strong></p><p>In my little corner of paradise, where motorhead thinking rules absolutely, the bus system doesn't run at all on Sundays, so they aren't required by ADA to provide paratransit shuttles to old people and handicapped people either, so yes, interesting question about Sunday morning gas consumption.</p><p>
About ten years ago the church we would otherwise attend moved itself from an older downtown neighborhood and built a gorgeous new building on land that had been farmland just on the county side of the city/county line, about three miles out of the downtown area -- so they put a big old parking lot in front, and that fills up so they have overflow parking across another street as well. &nbsp;</p><p>
Many of the greenest people in town attend, and they have a Social Concerns Committee that urges people to write letters to support action on climate change after the service.

<p>Save the world:  Reduce greenhouse gas emissions 5% annually.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Church miles</strong></p><p>In my little corner of paradise, where motorhead thinking rules absolutely, the bus system doesn't run at all on Sundays, so they aren't required by ADA to provide paratransit shuttles to old people and handicapped people either, so yes, interesting question about Sunday morning gas consumption.</p><p>
About ten years ago the church we would otherwise attend moved itself from an older downtown neighborhood and built a gorgeous new building on land that had been farmland just on the county side of the city/county line, about three miles out of the downtown area -- so they put a big old parking lot in front, and that fills up so they have overflow parking across another street as well. &nbsp;</p><p>
Many of the greenest people in town attend, and they have a Social Concerns Committee that urges people to write letters to support action on climate change after the service.

<p>Save the world:  Reduce greenhouse gas emissions 5% annually.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by zacaroni</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:47:14 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Miles and Mennonites</strong></p><p>Most of my congregation rides bike to church. &nbsp;And my church meets at night so that it can use the building of another church in town, which saves on the impact of making our own building, and allows us to donate the surplus funds to local habitat conservation. &nbsp;Too bad not all Mennonite churches are so thoughtful!</p><p>
On discretionary travel: why not blame time, too? &nbsp;The religion of time has brought us to this mess! &nbsp;Time is abundant, not limited. &nbsp;We talk of time like it is a commodity - as though biking to Texas instead of flying is a waste of time. &nbsp;We could do everything-as-much-as-possible-as-fast-as-we-can. &nbsp;But why should we? &nbsp;</p><p>
And for Thom: I live 2 hours from Chicago, and would take the bus to come see Radiohead play - if I could get tickets. &nbsp;Perhaps I would justify the travel by offsetting...</p>
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				<p><strong>Miles and Mennonites</strong></p><p>Most of my congregation rides bike to church. &nbsp;And my church meets at night so that it can use the building of another church in town, which saves on the impact of making our own building, and allows us to donate the surplus funds to local habitat conservation. &nbsp;Too bad not all Mennonite churches are so thoughtful!</p><p>
On discretionary travel: why not blame time, too? &nbsp;The religion of time has brought us to this mess! &nbsp;Time is abundant, not limited. &nbsp;We talk of time like it is a commodity - as though biking to Texas instead of flying is a waste of time. &nbsp;We could do everything-as-much-as-possible-as-fast-as-we-can. &nbsp;But why should we? &nbsp;</p><p>
And for Thom: I live 2 hours from Chicago, and would take the bus to come see Radiohead play - if I could get tickets. &nbsp;Perhaps I would justify the travel by offsetting...</p>
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