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            <title>Comment #1 by sindark</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:24:01 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Congress, and making good on promises<p>Hopefully, he will get the necessary support to get a cap-and-trade system through Congress within the first year of his presidency.

<p><a href="http://www.sindark.com/" rel="nofollow">a sibilant intake of breath</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Congress, and making good on promises<p>Hopefully, he will get the necessary support to get a cap-and-trade system through Congress within the first year of his presidency.

<p><a href="http://www.sindark.com/" rel="nofollow">a sibilant intake of breath</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:09:32 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Obamabot Programming Has Begun</strong></p><p><br>
Obamabot must have been in some sessions at Guantanamo with Gore.</p><p>
They slapped Climate Change ideology into him.</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Obamabot Programming Has Begun</strong></p><p><br>
Obamabot must have been in some sessions at Guantanamo with Gore.</p><p>
They slapped Climate Change ideology into him.</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by GlobalWarmingInc</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:56:01 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Cap and Trade is BS<p>Talking about a money-laundering scam! &nbsp;How will companies trading "credits" help ANYTHING, when there's nothing to fix?<p>
<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/11/16/do1610.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinio ...<p>
Plus, where is the mention of oil? We're all happing sheep now that we have a new president and oil prices are low again, but that won't last, and they'll get way higher than they ever were if we don't address drilling domestically for oil.<p>
I guess if the tree-huggers have their way, we'll all be forced to sell our cars for carbon credits and have to bike or walk everywhere we go. Let's wreck the USA completely to save the melting glaciers -which have been melting since the beginning of time. That's what they do: MELT. See all those valleys in the high mountains? They were carved out by glaciers; they're just not here anymore -they melted.</p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Cap and Trade is BS<p>Talking about a money-laundering scam! &nbsp;How will companies trading "credits" help ANYTHING, when there's nothing to fix?<p>
<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/11/16/do1610.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinio ...<p>
Plus, where is the mention of oil? We're all happing sheep now that we have a new president and oil prices are low again, but that won't last, and they'll get way higher than they ever were if we don't address drilling domestically for oil.<p>
I guess if the tree-huggers have their way, we'll all be forced to sell our cars for carbon credits and have to bike or walk everywhere we go. Let's wreck the USA completely to save the melting glaciers -which have been melting since the beginning of time. That's what they do: MELT. See all those valleys in the high mountains? They were carved out by glaciers; they're just not here anymore -they melted.</p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by christophersj</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:51:47 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Now I feel differently about the Trolls</strong></p><p>Now I feel differently about the Trolls in the comments above. &nbsp;Just a month ago I used to worry about them having some sway in our country, or even to a casual viewer of this site. </p><p>
But now I just see them as sad little men in their cold garages, listening to little AM radios hanging from a tool hook, working on their warplane model kits and inhaling glue fumes, wondering aloud about a world they sincerely do not understand.</p><p>
Now, they are only a curiosity, like a ship in a bottle. &nbsp;Now its so easy to look up from that bottle, peer out the window at the horizon, and see Copenhagen 2009.</p>
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				<p><strong>Now I feel differently about the Trolls</strong></p><p>Now I feel differently about the Trolls in the comments above. &nbsp;Just a month ago I used to worry about them having some sway in our country, or even to a casual viewer of this site. </p><p>
But now I just see them as sad little men in their cold garages, listening to little AM radios hanging from a tool hook, working on their warplane model kits and inhaling glue fumes, wondering aloud about a world they sincerely do not understand.</p><p>
Now, they are only a curiosity, like a ship in a bottle. &nbsp;Now its so easy to look up from that bottle, peer out the window at the horizon, and see Copenhagen 2009.</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:24:23 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Demo-Barnacles<p>Now I feel differently about the Trolls in the comments above.<p>
I too feel differently about the <a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com/viewtopic.php?t=559&amp;sid=3c186f3c338a5e2d741052de7b619d5b" rel="nofollow">barnacles.<p>
I feel that so Obama promised so many different things to people that he will be unable to deliver.<p>
He says he's for coal...or against it...or both. <p>
In fact, that's his stand on almost everything. &nbsp; <p>
On 60 Minutes President Obama compared himself to Lincoln.<p>
So how he forgot Lincoln's words:<p>
You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.</p></p></p></p></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Demo-Barnacles<p>Now I feel differently about the Trolls in the comments above.<p>
I too feel differently about the <a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com/viewtopic.php?t=559&amp;sid=3c186f3c338a5e2d741052de7b619d5b" rel="nofollow">barnacles.<p>
I feel that so Obama promised so many different things to people that he will be unable to deliver.<p>
He says he's for coal...or against it...or both. <p>
In fact, that's his stand on almost everything. &nbsp; <p>
On 60 Minutes President Obama compared himself to Lincoln.<p>
So how he forgot Lincoln's words:<p>
You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.</p></p></p></p></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by David Roberts</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:52:10 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Christophersj,</strong></p><p>Very well put. I rather enjoy thinking of, e.g, jabailo (see above!) as kind of a site pet, a quirky little dog that runs around peeing in the corner and attacking sofa cushions. Kinda cute, really.</p><p>
Sit, jabailo, sit!

<p>grist.org</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Christophersj,</strong></p><p>Very well put. I rather enjoy thinking of, e.g, jabailo (see above!) as kind of a site pet, a quirky little dog that runs around peeing in the corner and attacking sofa cushions. Kinda cute, really.</p><p>
Sit, jabailo, sit!

<p>grist.org</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by DidierVdM</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:33:02 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>What will drilling domestically for oil deliver?</strong></p><p>The same as drilling faster, and more. Yes, prices will drop temporarilly. Great news, isn't it. But the Oil existing will be consumed faster, more ineffective, and at a certain moment the oil will be gone. And then???</p><p>
You can look at domestic drilling as a way to span the transition to better fuels, renewable fuels, instead of hort term dropping prices. Now is not yet the time to drill domestically. </p><p>
America would better start to switch to European level of cars, consuming down to only 30% of average american monsters. That is what is killing your car industry today, your jobs and your economy.<br>
Prices of oil will drop because you consume less.<br>
You would have to buy less gasoline at a lower price. Wouldn't that be a win-win situation?</p><p>
At the same time transition to renewables is key, if not you will in 20-30 years be condamned to walk or take the bike, because you were too stuburn to work at new fuels and used all the oil which can be gained at affordable prices.<br>
Maybe tree-huggers are the smarter ones here.</br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>What will drilling domestically for oil deliver?</strong></p><p>The same as drilling faster, and more. Yes, prices will drop temporarilly. Great news, isn't it. But the Oil existing will be consumed faster, more ineffective, and at a certain moment the oil will be gone. And then???</p><p>
You can look at domestic drilling as a way to span the transition to better fuels, renewable fuels, instead of hort term dropping prices. Now is not yet the time to drill domestically. </p><p>
America would better start to switch to European level of cars, consuming down to only 30% of average american monsters. That is what is killing your car industry today, your jobs and your economy.<br>
Prices of oil will drop because you consume less.<br>
You would have to buy less gasoline at a lower price. Wouldn't that be a win-win situation?</p><p>
At the same time transition to renewables is key, if not you will in 20-30 years be condamned to walk or take the bike, because you were too stuburn to work at new fuels and used all the oil which can be gained at affordable prices.<br>
Maybe tree-huggers are the smarter ones here.</br></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by CR</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:47:49 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Green energy</strong></p><p>Green energy is the way to go, and I hope it is how we recover from this economic downturn. In every decade it seems there is a recession, then economic growth based on some new industry. In the 80s it was computers and cell phones. In the 90s it was the internet and the development of e-businesses. In the 2000s it was financial services and housing (Oops, that didn't work out too well. Smart bankers figuring out how to bilk people out of their equity didn't create much long-term value for society!) As we climb out of this recession, it will be time to rebuild our energy system, and that -will- create long-term value.</p>
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				<p><strong>Green energy</strong></p><p>Green energy is the way to go, and I hope it is how we recover from this economic downturn. In every decade it seems there is a recession, then economic growth based on some new industry. In the 80s it was computers and cell phones. In the 90s it was the internet and the development of e-businesses. In the 2000s it was financial services and housing (Oops, that didn't work out too well. Smart bankers figuring out how to bilk people out of their equity didn't create much long-term value for society!) As we climb out of this recession, it will be time to rebuild our energy system, and that -will- create long-term value.</p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by plusaf</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:05:22 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>re: cap and trade....</strong></p><p>last i read about cap and trade, the real market for cap and trade had deteriorated to the point where the credits didn't trade and had essentially zero market value: &nbsp;a clear indicator that, in the real world, the concept has failed.</p><p>
please do a reality check before suggesting a process that just may have already been proven to not work.</p><p>
yeah, you too, Barack... things that look good, sound good, and you think should be good... just might not be.<br>
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				<p><strong>re: cap and trade....</strong></p><p>last i read about cap and trade, the real market for cap and trade had deteriorated to the point where the credits didn't trade and had essentially zero market value: &nbsp;a clear indicator that, in the real world, the concept has failed.</p><p>
please do a reality check before suggesting a process that just may have already been proven to not work.</p><p>
yeah, you too, Barack... things that look good, sound good, and you think should be good... just might not be.<br>
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