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            <title>Comment #1 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:58:39 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Who's Scamming Who<p><br>
Ok, so this is an article, about a rumor about an article that might get written -- and yet, you're flying off the handle about it?<p>
I mean, did Albert Einstein go around nervous because he "suspected" everyone was all Absolute Frame of Reference-ish and Relativity "Unbelievers".<p>
Gee-whiz, Grist!

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				<p><strong>Who's Scamming Who<p><br>
Ok, so this is an article, about a rumor about an article that might get written -- and yet, you're flying off the handle about it?<p>
I mean, did Albert Einstein go around nervous because he "suspected" everyone was all Absolute Frame of Reference-ish and Relativity "Unbelievers".<p>
Gee-whiz, Grist!

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            <title>Comment #2 by tico89</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:43:09 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I think...</strong></p><p>...you're taking this all a bit too seriously. I mean, come on, anyone that believes anything from the 'Drudge Report' isn't worth anyone's while to try and get through to. It's pretty obvious there aren't any "startling errors" in Gore's movie, or else they would have made it onto somewhere a bit more prestigious.</p><p>
Typical, though, the way they all pick on someone like Gore, as he's high-profile and can be labelled as a non-scientist. Seem to be leaving the IPCC alone. Perhaps William should Broaden his horizons (ok, couldn't resist!).</p>
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				<p><strong>I think...</strong></p><p>...you're taking this all a bit too seriously. I mean, come on, anyone that believes anything from the 'Drudge Report' isn't worth anyone's while to try and get through to. It's pretty obvious there aren't any "startling errors" in Gore's movie, or else they would have made it onto somewhere a bit more prestigious.</p><p>
Typical, though, the way they all pick on someone like Gore, as he's high-profile and can be labelled as a non-scientist. Seem to be leaving the IPCC alone. Perhaps William should Broaden his horizons (ok, couldn't resist!).</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by David Roberts</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:05:20 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>It's not like ...<p>... we have no experience with <a href="http://dailyhowler.com/" rel="nofollow">how the mainstream media treats Al Gore. None of this should come as a surprise.

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				<p><strong>It's not like ...<p>... we have no experience with <a href="http://dailyhowler.com/" rel="nofollow">how the mainstream media treats Al Gore. None of this should come as a surprise.

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            <title>Comment #4 by Jason D Scorse</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:15:12 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>It wasn't me this time!!!<p>But seriously, I think the media is doing a big disservice here- there's a big opportunity here for some serious discussion about energy use in wealthy countries-- that I failed miserably to initiate myself-- but I think there's still an opportunity out there for someone to examine this issue in a serious and dispassionate way. Maybe that's expecting too much. I'm not going to try again...

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				<p><strong>It wasn't me this time!!!<p>But seriously, I think the media is doing a big disservice here- there's a big opportunity here for some serious discussion about energy use in wealthy countries-- that I failed miserably to initiate myself-- but I think there's still an opportunity out there for someone to examine this issue in a serious and dispassionate way. Maybe that's expecting too much. I'm not going to try again...

<p>J.S. teaches environmental economics and blogs at <a href="http://www.voicesofreason.info" rel="nofollow">http://www.voicesofreason.info. He is a proud liberal in the true sense of the term.</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by sunflower</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:35:08 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>J.S. has been prescient before,  it's spooky.</strong></p><p>My conversations with the old guard goes way past alarmist character assassinations. &nbsp;They accept global warming and it's full consequences. &nbsp;They won't live long enough to see the worse of this disaster. &nbsp;It is not their problem. &nbsp;They intend to live out the rest of their lives in relative comfort, in a slowly warming climate. &nbsp;Live and let die. &nbsp;Old money has retired. &nbsp; If they shoot at Al Gore, that's just for sport.</p>
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				<p><strong>J.S. has been prescient before,  it's spooky.</strong></p><p>My conversations with the old guard goes way past alarmist character assassinations. &nbsp;They accept global warming and it's full consequences. &nbsp;They won't live long enough to see the worse of this disaster. &nbsp;It is not their problem. &nbsp;They intend to live out the rest of their lives in relative comfort, in a slowly warming climate. &nbsp;Live and let die. &nbsp;Old money has retired. &nbsp; If they shoot at Al Gore, that's just for sport.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Jason D Scorse</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/nyt-hit-on-gore/</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:46:23 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>My favorite quote from the piece....<p>"He's a very polarizing figure in the science community," said Roger A. Pielke Jr., an environmental scientist who is a colleague of Dr. Vranes at the University of Colorado center. "Very quickly, these discussions turn from the issue to the person, and become a referendum on Mr. Gore."<p>
Hmmmm.... Sounds familiar.<p>
On a second reading of the article, however, I don't think it's a hit piece.<p>
J.S.

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				<p><strong>My favorite quote from the piece....<p>"He's a very polarizing figure in the science community," said Roger A. Pielke Jr., an environmental scientist who is a colleague of Dr. Vranes at the University of Colorado center. "Very quickly, these discussions turn from the issue to the person, and become a referendum on Mr. Gore."<p>
Hmmmm.... Sounds familiar.<p>
On a second reading of the article, however, I don't think it's a hit piece.<p>
J.S.

<p>J.S. teaches environmental economics and blogs at <a href="http://www.voicesofreason.info" rel="nofollow">http://www.voicesofreason.info. He is a proud liberal in the true sense of the term.</a></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by JMG</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:50:20 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Teeter-totter</strong></p><p>Funny how the IPCC report suddenly becomes the gold standard to the Right when they use it to bludgeon Gore.</p><p>
As many, many IPCC participants have noted, the report is a consensus document that, therefore, offers the most conservative statements only.</p><p>
As noted throughout Fred Pearce's outstanding new (really new) book, "With Speed and Violence: Why scientists fear tipping points in climate change," the IPCC report is almost, by definition, the best we can hope for, and that's as of 2005 (a long time when you're talking about something that is both being studied so intensely and changing so fast as our climate).</p><p>
So after spending years bashing the IPCC process, suddenly the teeter-totter tips and the IPCC is magically transformed into a cudgel with which to bash Gore, for how dare he speak beyond this august report with which we have NEVER disagreed ...</p>
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				<p><strong>Teeter-totter</strong></p><p>Funny how the IPCC report suddenly becomes the gold standard to the Right when they use it to bludgeon Gore.</p><p>
As many, many IPCC participants have noted, the report is a consensus document that, therefore, offers the most conservative statements only.</p><p>
As noted throughout Fred Pearce's outstanding new (really new) book, "With Speed and Violence: Why scientists fear tipping points in climate change," the IPCC report is almost, by definition, the best we can hope for, and that's as of 2005 (a long time when you're talking about something that is both being studied so intensely and changing so fast as our climate).</p><p>
So after spending years bashing the IPCC process, suddenly the teeter-totter tips and the IPCC is magically transformed into a cudgel with which to bash Gore, for how dare he speak beyond this august report with which we have NEVER disagreed ...</p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by josullivan58</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:54:37 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I agree with J ason</strong></p><p>I don't think this was a hit piece as much it was an attempt to make an interesting story by making something that is not all that controversial into a controversy.</p><p>
The last part of the article is most informative when they quote Dr Oppenheimer:</p><p>
"On balance, he did quite well -- a credible and entertaining job on a difficult subject," Dr. Oppenheimer said. "For that, he deserves a lot of credit. If you rake him over the coals, you're going to find people who disagree. But in terms of the big picture, he got it right."</p>
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				<p><strong>I agree with J ason</strong></p><p>I don't think this was a hit piece as much it was an attempt to make an interesting story by making something that is not all that controversial into a controversy.</p><p>
The last part of the article is most informative when they quote Dr Oppenheimer:</p><p>
"On balance, he did quite well -- a credible and entertaining job on a difficult subject," Dr. Oppenheimer said. "For that, he deserves a lot of credit. If you rake him over the coals, you're going to find people who disagree. But in terms of the big picture, he got it right."</p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by plum</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:00:01 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Fair and balanced</strong></p><p>I agree the piece ended well for Gore, and it did include some quotes from James Hansen, but the bulk of the quotes were clearly marshalled against Gore. Note the rhetorical tactics Nagourney uses:</p><p>


Link negative language to Gore: "mocked Gore's assertion", "alarmists", "scaremongering", "shrill alarmism", "overselling", "exaggerated and erroneous".</p><p>
Portray sceptics as "centrists". This article is the first time I've seen the phrase "centrist detractors". This is a pretty formulation from a rhetorical point of view: it has the effect of moving the centre of gravity to the right.</p><p>
Let the sceptics attack Gore, but don't ask them to defend themselves. This makes Lindzen, Easterbrook et al seem reasonable.</p><p>
Get one of the sceptics (but only one) to proclaim they have no conflicts of interest with corporations. This both implicates consensus scientists as paid shills and allows other sceptics to bask in the righteousness of "being correct".</p><p>
Subtly undercut James Hansen, who "concedes" the sceptics' point. Elevate Gore's "minor inaccuracies" to the level that they balance out ALL the accuracies.</p><p>
Never indicate how large a section of the total number of scientists in the field are sceptics. At the same time, chip away rhetorically at the legitimacy of the consensus behind AGW.</p><p>


This last point is the most interesting to me, as I see it a new tactic from the right. It's also Rovian: attack the enemy where they feel strongest.</p>
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				<p><strong>Fair and balanced</strong></p><p>I agree the piece ended well for Gore, and it did include some quotes from James Hansen, but the bulk of the quotes were clearly marshalled against Gore. Note the rhetorical tactics Nagourney uses:</p><p>


Link negative language to Gore: "mocked Gore's assertion", "alarmists", "scaremongering", "shrill alarmism", "overselling", "exaggerated and erroneous".</p><p>
Portray sceptics as "centrists". This article is the first time I've seen the phrase "centrist detractors". This is a pretty formulation from a rhetorical point of view: it has the effect of moving the centre of gravity to the right.</p><p>
Let the sceptics attack Gore, but don't ask them to defend themselves. This makes Lindzen, Easterbrook et al seem reasonable.</p><p>
Get one of the sceptics (but only one) to proclaim they have no conflicts of interest with corporations. This both implicates consensus scientists as paid shills and allows other sceptics to bask in the righteousness of "being correct".</p><p>
Subtly undercut James Hansen, who "concedes" the sceptics' point. Elevate Gore's "minor inaccuracies" to the level that they balance out ALL the accuracies.</p><p>
Never indicate how large a section of the total number of scientists in the field are sceptics. At the same time, chip away rhetorically at the legitimacy of the consensus behind AGW.</p><p>


This last point is the most interesting to me, as I see it a new tactic from the right. It's also Rovian: attack the enemy where they feel strongest.</p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by Steve Bloom</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:41:09 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Broadly false<p>The article says: &nbsp;"Criticisms of Mr. Gore have come not only from conservative groups and prominent skeptics of catastrophic warming, but also from rank-and-file scientists like Dr. Easterbook, who told his peers that he had no political ax to grind. A few see natural variation as more central to global warming than heat-trapping gases. Many appear to occupy a middle ground in the climate debate, seeing human activity as a serious threat but challenging what they call the extremism of both skeptics and zealots."<p>
OK, so Easterbrook sounds like a reasonable, mainstream kind of guy, right?<p>
But then three minutes on Google Scholar finds this <a href="http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2006CD/finalprogram/abstract_104081.htm" rel="nofollow">abstract from last May in which Easterbrook says: &nbsp;"Historic fluctuations of alpine glaciers, solar activity, and measured isotope changes suggest that the present global warming could well be solar in origin, rather than a result of increased atmospheric CO2. &nbsp;(...) &nbsp;Global temperature curves show a cool reversal from ~1955 to ~1980), inferring that global temperatures then were not driven by atmospheric CO2. Solar irradiance curves almost exactly match the global temperature curve and satellite data suggest that the earth has received increased solar radiation over the past 25 years, coinciding with the present 25-year warm cycle. If the cycles continue as in the past, the current warm cycle should end soon, and global warming should abate, rather than increase, in the next 25-30 years. Using these data as a basis, the coming century should experience a cooler climate from ~2006 to ~2035, a warmer period (probably warmer than the 1977-2005 warm period) from ~2035 to ~2065, followed by another cooler period from ~2065 to about the end of the century."<p>
This is in explicit disagreement with the IPCC on what is perhaps the most fundamental point of climate science. &nbsp;Not only that, several of the particulars (e.g. that there is a significant insolation trend over the last 25 years) are simply false. &nbsp;IOW, Easterbrook is way, way out of the science mainstream, has an obvious axe to grind and is willing to resort to just making things up.<p>
The only way Broad could have missed this is to have done no fact-checking at all. &nbsp;This was some seriously shoddy journalism in the fine recent tradition of the Times.<p>
Aside from that, my favorite part was titling RP Jr. an "environmental scientist" and then using the same title for Jim Hansen. &nbsp;In Roger's dreams. &nbsp;Think he'll ask for a correction?<br>
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				<p><strong>Broadly false<p>The article says: &nbsp;"Criticisms of Mr. Gore have come not only from conservative groups and prominent skeptics of catastrophic warming, but also from rank-and-file scientists like Dr. Easterbook, who told his peers that he had no political ax to grind. A few see natural variation as more central to global warming than heat-trapping gases. Many appear to occupy a middle ground in the climate debate, seeing human activity as a serious threat but challenging what they call the extremism of both skeptics and zealots."<p>
OK, so Easterbrook sounds like a reasonable, mainstream kind of guy, right?<p>
But then three minutes on Google Scholar finds this <a href="http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2006CD/finalprogram/abstract_104081.htm" rel="nofollow">abstract from last May in which Easterbrook says: &nbsp;"Historic fluctuations of alpine glaciers, solar activity, and measured isotope changes suggest that the present global warming could well be solar in origin, rather than a result of increased atmospheric CO2. &nbsp;(...) &nbsp;Global temperature curves show a cool reversal from ~1955 to ~1980), inferring that global temperatures then were not driven by atmospheric CO2. Solar irradiance curves almost exactly match the global temperature curve and satellite data suggest that the earth has received increased solar radiation over the past 25 years, coinciding with the present 25-year warm cycle. If the cycles continue as in the past, the current warm cycle should end soon, and global warming should abate, rather than increase, in the next 25-30 years. Using these data as a basis, the coming century should experience a cooler climate from ~2006 to ~2035, a warmer period (probably warmer than the 1977-2005 warm period) from ~2035 to ~2065, followed by another cooler period from ~2065 to about the end of the century."<p>
This is in explicit disagreement with the IPCC on what is perhaps the most fundamental point of climate science. &nbsp;Not only that, several of the particulars (e.g. that there is a significant insolation trend over the last 25 years) are simply false. &nbsp;IOW, Easterbrook is way, way out of the science mainstream, has an obvious axe to grind and is willing to resort to just making things up.<p>
The only way Broad could have missed this is to have done no fact-checking at all. &nbsp;This was some seriously shoddy journalism in the fine recent tradition of the Times.<p>
Aside from that, my favorite part was titling RP Jr. an "environmental scientist" and then using the same title for Jim Hansen. &nbsp;In Roger's dreams. &nbsp;Think he'll ask for a correction?<br>
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            <title>Comment #11 by amazingdrx</title>
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				<p><strong>Yep</strong></p><p>"some seriously shoddy journalism in the fine recent tradition of the Times."</p><p>
The NYT has become "fair and balanced". &nbsp;Following the mode of Time magazine.</p><p>
"Time for kids" recently informed our children how flex fuel vehicles and fuel farming will save the planet. &nbsp;Corporate propaganda in the classroom.<br>


<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Yep</strong></p><p>"some seriously shoddy journalism in the fine recent tradition of the Times."</p><p>
The NYT has become "fair and balanced". &nbsp;Following the mode of Time magazine.</p><p>
"Time for kids" recently informed our children how flex fuel vehicles and fuel farming will save the planet. &nbsp;Corporate propaganda in the classroom.<br>


<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by caniscandida</title>
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				<p><strong>Depressing</strong></p><p>Broad's article is depressing, not only because of the innuendo and the half-truths, but also because it misleads readers into believing that Al Gore's style of presentation is an important part of the global warming story.</p><p>
Fortunately the judgments of Oppenheimer and Hansen are included, the only ones which are fair and which should be thought to matter. &nbsp;Unfortunately, they are thrown in with a lot of distracting garbage.</p><p>
Probably it is fair to say that all scientists in every field and specialization feel some anguish regarding the communication of their findings and judgments to people who are not scientists. &nbsp;Many of them seem to be irked by any form of discourse on their areas of expertise that would not pass muster within their coterie of professionals; and they react with contempt. &nbsp;And so it is gratifying that James Hansen praises Al Gore by saying, cutely, that he "sees the forest for the trees," and that he communicates the gist of the climatologists' findings better than they could themselves.</p><p>
(N.B., Plum, I like your list, but Adam Nagourney is not the rhetorical tactician in question. &nbsp;He is another NYT writer, who specializes in presidential and electoral politics. &nbsp;For all I know, he may already be writing things about Al Gore's presidential prospects. &nbsp;But his is not the name on this article.) 

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Depressing</strong></p><p>Broad's article is depressing, not only because of the innuendo and the half-truths, but also because it misleads readers into believing that Al Gore's style of presentation is an important part of the global warming story.</p><p>
Fortunately the judgments of Oppenheimer and Hansen are included, the only ones which are fair and which should be thought to matter. &nbsp;Unfortunately, they are thrown in with a lot of distracting garbage.</p><p>
Probably it is fair to say that all scientists in every field and specialization feel some anguish regarding the communication of their findings and judgments to people who are not scientists. &nbsp;Many of them seem to be irked by any form of discourse on their areas of expertise that would not pass muster within their coterie of professionals; and they react with contempt. &nbsp;And so it is gratifying that James Hansen praises Al Gore by saying, cutely, that he "sees the forest for the trees," and that he communicates the gist of the climatologists' findings better than they could themselves.</p><p>
(N.B., Plum, I like your list, but Adam Nagourney is not the rhetorical tactician in question. &nbsp;He is another NYT writer, who specializes in presidential and electoral politics. &nbsp;For all I know, he may already be writing things about Al Gore's presidential prospects. &nbsp;But his is not the name on this article.) 

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
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Enough is enough!
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            <title>Comment #13 by Benny Big Eye</title>
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				<p><strong>Is anyone surprised</strong></p><p>To see Pielke Jr. playing Batman to Kevin Vranes' Robin? They're both firmly in the media and publishing little of worth. Vranes doesn't even appear to have a single published article on climate change. Pielke Jr. meanwhile has been milking articles published years in the past.

<p>Benny Big Eye</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Is anyone surprised</strong></p><p>To see Pielke Jr. playing Batman to Kevin Vranes' Robin? They're both firmly in the media and publishing little of worth. Vranes doesn't even appear to have a single published article on climate change. Pielke Jr. meanwhile has been milking articles published years in the past.

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				<p><strong>Who ya gonna write?</strong></p><p>I don't consider this hit piece to be an accident. &nbsp;The Times has a habit of cultivating conservative reporter/propagandists so as to protect its credentials with the right. &nbsp;Call it the Judith Miller gambit.</p><p>
A good way to make the Times pay for its journalistic sins is to write letters to the various journalism professional groups. &nbsp;For example, a letter to the editor -- or even an essay -- in the Columbia Journalism Review could make the Times stand up and pay attention.</p>
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				<p><strong>Who ya gonna write?</strong></p><p>I don't consider this hit piece to be an accident. &nbsp;The Times has a habit of cultivating conservative reporter/propagandists so as to protect its credentials with the right. &nbsp;Call it the Judith Miller gambit.</p><p>
A good way to make the Times pay for its journalistic sins is to write letters to the various journalism professional groups. &nbsp;For example, a letter to the editor -- or even an essay -- in the Columbia Journalism Review could make the Times stand up and pay attention.</p>
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            <title>Comment #15 by egbooth</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:57:55 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Realclimate responds<p>The folks over at Realclimate have responded to the Broad article in near-record time. Impressive.<p>
<a href="http://www.realclimate.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Realclimate responds<p>The folks over at Realclimate have responded to the Broad article in near-record time. Impressive.<p>
<a href="http://www.realclimate.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #16 by rainking</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:33:26 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>big (and i mean BIG) al</strong></p><p>I'm as shocked as anybody that the NY Times, aka The Liberal Newsletter with an Agenda, would go after one of their own. But, he deserves it. That movie is a bunch of lying garbage.</p>
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				<p><strong>big (and i mean BIG) al</strong></p><p>I'm as shocked as anybody that the NY Times, aka The Liberal Newsletter with an Agenda, would go after one of their own. But, he deserves it. That movie is a bunch of lying garbage.</p>
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            <title>Comment #17 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:38:05 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>conspiracies at the NYTimes?</strong></p><p>I like your suggestion, Steven T. &nbsp;It would never have occurred to me, to write a letter to the Columbia Journalism Review.</p><p>
It is true that in the past few years, as you say, the Times has very self-consciously tried to run more articles that might appeal to conservative readers. &nbsp;William Broad's article seems very much to fit that pattern.</p><p>
But it is also possible that they intend to support one or another of the leading Democratic candidates for president, and would prefer that Al Gore stay out of the race, or anyway, that he look less impressive as a late-entering competitor.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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				<p><strong>conspiracies at the NYTimes?</strong></p><p>I like your suggestion, Steven T. &nbsp;It would never have occurred to me, to write a letter to the Columbia Journalism Review.</p><p>
It is true that in the past few years, as you say, the Times has very self-consciously tried to run more articles that might appeal to conservative readers. &nbsp;William Broad's article seems very much to fit that pattern.</p><p>
But it is also possible that they intend to support one or another of the leading Democratic candidates for president, and would prefer that Al Gore stay out of the race, or anyway, that he look less impressive as a late-entering competitor.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #18 by sunflower</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 04:17:01 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Conservatives fear a Gore candidacy?</strong></p><p></p>
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				<p><strong>Conservatives fear a Gore candidacy?</strong></p><p></p>
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            <title>Comment #19 by yoder</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:02:22 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Real news from Drudge?</strong></p><p>May as well have come from Coulter itself.

<p>"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act!"
-- George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Real news from Drudge?</strong></p><p>May as well have come from Coulter itself.

<p>"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act!"
-- George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)</p></p>
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