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            <title>Comment #1 by disdaniel</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 07:58:08 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Thank you</strong></p><p>I really appreciate your pointing out how our environment of "lazy" media (or simply cost constrained) fails to point out logical connections between paid spokespersons and industry interest lobby groups.</p>
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				<p><strong>Thank you</strong></p><p>I really appreciate your pointing out how our environment of "lazy" media (or simply cost constrained) fails to point out logical connections between paid spokespersons and industry interest lobby groups.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Wise Merlin</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 02:50:41 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Nuclear Lobbying</strong></p><p>Florida has forcibly screwed Floridians by having the so-called "Public Service Commission" rule (under Jeb Bush and with two commission seats vacant) that electricity providers may CHARGE IT'S CUSTOMERS IN ADVANCE to build nuclear and coal burning power plants.</p><p>
Progress Energy wants to build a nuke plant in Levy county but even before the ground is purchased the Public Service Commission has ruled Progress Energy can begin charging it's customers for the cost of land purchase, planning, engineering, design and construction of the nuke plant, so Progress Energy can circumvent gathering investors, raising capital, sharing the risk with stockholders, and issuing bonds. You know, the normal path of a capitalist "publicly traded" corporation. The customers of Progress Energy will NOT be issued stock, will NOT be classified as investors, will NOT see any dividends from the profits of this nuke plant, AND will NOT be reimbursed if they never see one watt of power from this nuke plant.</p><p>
TECO Energy (also a publicly traded corporation) is planning a so-called new generation "clean coal" power plant in Polk County. Within a month of the Public Service commission announcement (with no fanfare) TECO made it known that they too were looking at charging existing customers to pay the investment costs of its power plant construction. No investors, no capital, no bonds. TECO's customers would be forced to foot the bill for this plant and get no return on their investment, all the risk and none of the reward.</p><p>
Isn't it nice that the state of Florida feels it's citizens do not have rights to decline investing in publicly traded corporations and forced to subsidize publicly traded corporations and that those publicly traded corporations now have an unlimited piggy bank of capital outlay at hand with NO COST to the corporation.</p><p>
This is capitalism? This is government? This is another ENRON style energy theft.<br>
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				<p><strong>Nuclear Lobbying</strong></p><p>Florida has forcibly screwed Floridians by having the so-called "Public Service Commission" rule (under Jeb Bush and with two commission seats vacant) that electricity providers may CHARGE IT'S CUSTOMERS IN ADVANCE to build nuclear and coal burning power plants.</p><p>
Progress Energy wants to build a nuke plant in Levy county but even before the ground is purchased the Public Service Commission has ruled Progress Energy can begin charging it's customers for the cost of land purchase, planning, engineering, design and construction of the nuke plant, so Progress Energy can circumvent gathering investors, raising capital, sharing the risk with stockholders, and issuing bonds. You know, the normal path of a capitalist "publicly traded" corporation. The customers of Progress Energy will NOT be issued stock, will NOT be classified as investors, will NOT see any dividends from the profits of this nuke plant, AND will NOT be reimbursed if they never see one watt of power from this nuke plant.</p><p>
TECO Energy (also a publicly traded corporation) is planning a so-called new generation "clean coal" power plant in Polk County. Within a month of the Public Service commission announcement (with no fanfare) TECO made it known that they too were looking at charging existing customers to pay the investment costs of its power plant construction. No investors, no capital, no bonds. TECO's customers would be forced to foot the bill for this plant and get no return on their investment, all the risk and none of the reward.</p><p>
Isn't it nice that the state of Florida feels it's citizens do not have rights to decline investing in publicly traded corporations and forced to subsidize publicly traded corporations and that those publicly traded corporations now have an unlimited piggy bank of capital outlay at hand with NO COST to the corporation.</p><p>
This is capitalism? This is government? This is another ENRON style energy theft.<br>
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            <title>Comment #3 by advancednano</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:04:49 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Companes spend money lobbying and donating<p>Companies and groups give out information and spend money lobbying and donating. The nuclear industry numbers that you quote are far less than many other industries.<p>
<a href="http://www.capitaleye.org/inside.asp?ID=252" rel="nofollow">http://www.capitaleye.org/inside.asp?ID=252<p>
Agribusiness &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
$159,711,080 Contributions, 2001-2006 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
28% Democrats &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 71% Republican<br>
$448,002,616 Lobbying 2001-2005<p>
Oil&amp;Gas &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
$73,036,301 &nbsp;contributions 2001-2006<br>
19% Democrats &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 81% Republicans<br>
$282,566,199 Lobbying 2001-2005<p>
Mining &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
$14,991,593 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
17% Dems 83% Republicans<br>
$56,032,688 Lobbying<p>
Electric Utilities &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
$58,240,891 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
32% Democrats&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 68% Republicans<br>
$458,981,375 Lobbying 2001-2005<p>
Environmental Policy &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
$5,530,261 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
87% Dems 13% Republicans<br>
$43,105,323 Lobbying<p>
Auto Manufacturers &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
$7,633,671 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Contributions<br>
33% &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 67% &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
$177,081,511 Lobbying 2001-2005<p>
Contribution totals include money to candidates, party committees and leadership PACs.<p>
2005-2006 totals based on data downloaded electronically from the Federal Election Commission on February 20, 2007.<p>
The figures below are from open secrets for one year only.<br>
Coal industry<br>
<a href="http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.asp?Ind=E1210" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.asp?Ind=E1210 ...<p>
American Wind Energy Assn $330,000 (2006 only)<br>
<a href="http://www.opensecrets.org/lobbyists/indusclient.asp?code=E07&amp;year=2006" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensecrets.org/lobbyists/indusclient.asp?code ...<p>
Clean Energy Group &nbsp;(2006 only) $990,000<p>
I think money is spent and some people are paid to say things. So what. We can still filter down to what the truth is.<p>
I support nuclear energy and no one pays me to do it. I also support conservation, efficiency, solar, wind, geothermal and anything not coal. Once we get rid of coal then we can focus on the less dangerous power sources, next on the list would be oil. I independently researched the energy issues and arrived at my own conclusions.<br>
I think using nuclear will help and that its downsides are overblown. <p>
Nuclear "waste" == Mostly Unburned fuel. 8% is reprocessed by France, UK, Japan (Over 5000 tons/year out of the total 66000 tons/year)<p>
We can make higher burn reactors. <p>
Nuclear proliferation has not killed anyone. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were by the US who were not proliferated to. Meanwhile conventional war killed 200 million in the 20th century. <p>
The danger of nuclear power plant accidents is trivial compared to the millions that die every year from air pollution. </p></p></p></p></br></p></p></p></a></br></p></a></br></br></p></p></p></br></br></br></p></br></br></br></p></br></br></br></p></br></br></br></p></br></br></br></p></br></br></br></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Companes spend money lobbying and donating<p>Companies and groups give out information and spend money lobbying and donating. The nuclear industry numbers that you quote are far less than many other industries.<p>
<a href="http://www.capitaleye.org/inside.asp?ID=252" rel="nofollow">http://www.capitaleye.org/inside.asp?ID=252<p>
Agribusiness &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
$159,711,080 Contributions, 2001-2006 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
28% Democrats &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 71% Republican<br>
$448,002,616 Lobbying 2001-2005<p>
Oil&amp;Gas &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
$73,036,301 &nbsp;contributions 2001-2006<br>
19% Democrats &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 81% Republicans<br>
$282,566,199 Lobbying 2001-2005<p>
Mining &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
$14,991,593 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
17% Dems 83% Republicans<br>
$56,032,688 Lobbying<p>
Electric Utilities &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
$58,240,891 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
32% Democrats&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 68% Republicans<br>
$458,981,375 Lobbying 2001-2005<p>
Environmental Policy &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
$5,530,261 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
87% Dems 13% Republicans<br>
$43,105,323 Lobbying<p>
Auto Manufacturers &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
$7,633,671 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Contributions<br>
33% &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 67% &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
$177,081,511 Lobbying 2001-2005<p>
Contribution totals include money to candidates, party committees and leadership PACs.<p>
2005-2006 totals based on data downloaded electronically from the Federal Election Commission on February 20, 2007.<p>
The figures below are from open secrets for one year only.<br>
Coal industry<br>
<a href="http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.asp?Ind=E1210" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.asp?Ind=E1210 ...<p>
American Wind Energy Assn $330,000 (2006 only)<br>
<a href="http://www.opensecrets.org/lobbyists/indusclient.asp?code=E07&amp;year=2006" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensecrets.org/lobbyists/indusclient.asp?code ...<p>
Clean Energy Group &nbsp;(2006 only) $990,000<p>
I think money is spent and some people are paid to say things. So what. We can still filter down to what the truth is.<p>
I support nuclear energy and no one pays me to do it. I also support conservation, efficiency, solar, wind, geothermal and anything not coal. Once we get rid of coal then we can focus on the less dangerous power sources, next on the list would be oil. I independently researched the energy issues and arrived at my own conclusions.<br>
I think using nuclear will help and that its downsides are overblown. <p>
Nuclear "waste" == Mostly Unburned fuel. 8% is reprocessed by France, UK, Japan (Over 5000 tons/year out of the total 66000 tons/year)<p>
We can make higher burn reactors. <p>
Nuclear proliferation has not killed anyone. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were by the US who were not proliferated to. Meanwhile conventional war killed 200 million in the 20th century. <p>
The danger of nuclear power plant accidents is trivial compared to the millions that die every year from air pollution. </p></p></p></p></br></p></p></p></a></br></p></a></br></br></p></p></p></br></br></br></p></br></br></br></p></br></br></br></p></br></br></br></p></br></br></br></p></br></br></br></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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