Let me begin by defending the Russian support for the Iranian nuclear program.  (Which is not the same as thinking the Iranian nuclear program is a good idea.)

    The Russians seem to believe that Iran has a right to develop peaceful uses of nuclear energy.  Guess what, they're right!!  We may not like it, but they have such a right under treaty.  Nuclear weapons are another matter.

    There are currently three basic problems with US criticism of Iranian nuclear weapons programs.  India, Israel, and Pakistan.  All three of which have gone ahead and developed their own nuclear weapons without so much as a peep from the US. (Except for India, but Bush just told them it's okay).

    It is said that the South African government (during apartheid) developed and possesses a number of such weapons.  

    In terms of sanctions against Iran, are they the best way to achieve our desired results?  (Umm, what are those, regime change?  Return of the Shah?)

    Sanctions sounds pretty, but again, what do we think will happen if they are in place?  Remember that sanctions against Iraq starved the people but didn't bother Saddam Hussein one bit.

    We really need to think before we act in the foreign arena.

    And really, how many nationwide referenda have there been on US nuclear plans, or anything?  We should be careful of double standards here.

    "So the rich-kid G8 club will be selling hundreds of fast breeder reactors to the poor kids -- the very kind of reactors that pose the greatest proliferation dangers. And the poor kids will remain dependent on the rich kids for fuel for those reactors, forever. And they'll promise not to do anything naughty."

    This is not what will happen.  First of all, the "poor kids" will not doubt cut their own deals for fuel, and work on developing their own technology.

    I hate to remind people, but one of the non-G8 nations is China, another is India, both have pretty advanced scientific industries.  It is a sad and strange dream to believe that they will never catch up (or even surpass) the G8 countries.

    Is the world wide spread of nuclear power as part of the answer to Global Warming a good idea?

    Unless people can promote realistic alternatives (carefully prepared plans showing in detail how they would work), then it is likely to happen.

    The nuclear industry will have the graphs, charts and everything else ready.  It will show where the financing can be found.  It will market itself.

    Governments everywhere tend to go with what they believe is proven, it is a safer solution (which is why Microsoft dominates the PC market).

    It is not enough to talk about the things wrong with nuclear power.  The alternatives must be shown to be clearly better, now.

    Governments that are planning for economic and population growth (and increased energy needs) will be making decisions.  

    What about the alternatives? Are they organized and do they have other plans to present?

patrick

   Hi Diana,

      Let me play devil's advocate. (smile)  Pretend I am a government planner in the nation of (your choice) (smile).

      Run the current numbers for me on wind and solar vs. nuclear.  Are they cheaper now?

      Can either industry ramp up production to meet my current needs plus a projected 400% increase in the next ten years (what I need to plan for)?

      If I have many little plants and production centers, who will manage them and guarantee their success and continued operation?

      I guess what I am wondering is why, if solar and wind are so great, they are not being looked at to provide more of the future energy needs?  We say it is just politics, but what reasons do the decision makers give?

      I feel a disconnect between the advocates of renewables and the decision makers.  Before we can make the switch, we need to better understand what it is.

      Any help would be appreciated!

thanks,

patrick

Diane is correct, wind and solar can compete with historical energy sources, largely due to new technologies.  Efficiency is even more competitive than wind and solar.

If I had a multi-billion dollar solar industry and suddenly a new clean coal technology emerged that was half the cost of my solar business then I would buy every politician running for public office to make sure that new coal technology does not see the light of day.  However, if that new technology is more expensive than my main products then I am all for it.

"I am just a CEO doing my job protecting our shareholders."

I think it is time we get back to the regulatory model and simply tell the utilities to build so much renewable generation and then allow them to charge appropriate rates.

I have seen little good out of de-regulation of electricity markets.

    If the only reason why renewables aren't winning is that the existing energy company structure doesn't support, then how can that be changed?

    Is there a plan or a vision for making the change, or are we stuck complaining, going nowhere (I ask this in all sincerity)?

    Would enough politicians (local) tell utilities to build renewable generation to make a difference?  Or would it be something that occurred in only a few places, and merely be chic?

patrick

California municipal electrics, the utilties whom the state could not force into de regulation are the ones seeking renewables in the West.  Further, I have found that the local public support for renewables is quite positive.  Work is underway in the legislature to require Southern Califonia Edison, San Diego Gas and Electric, and Pacific Gas and Electric to do likewise and include such purchases or developments in their rate base.  Further AB 35, the greenhouse gas legislation, is under development and it to is being considered for the tradiation rate base return on equity approach.  Unless such rate base approaches are implemented renewables, generally considered less proven than tradiational sources, will require a greater developmental cost and be subject to greater technological risk and thus higher cost of capital.  If it were a rate base asset, it would significantly reduce the cost of capital for these developments.  Recent estimates for cost of taxable bonds for tradiational non-by passable utility development is 5% compared with an equity cost of capital of nearly 15% for venture capital.

"Oh, they'll promise?"

Do these big shots who play with the lives of the rest of us ever experience reality at all?

Is it all exexcutive jets and expense account living from cradle to grave for the princes of the divine right of capital?  Yep.

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 "floating nuclear power plants."

Has Pooty poot been corresponding with atomicrod?

We need nuclear buses too pooty.  Put 'em on the barges to deliver a complete energy solution!

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   FFletcher, thanks for your post.  (I left the state a while back, and haven't been following the issue that closely.)

   What percent of California's energy needs look likely to be produced using renewable sources, and in what time frame?

thanks,

patrick