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            <title>Comment #1 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:10:20 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>OK, step by step</strong></p><p>The quote was actually uttered by the young (25-yo) seminarian son of the Rev. James Merritt, Jonathan Merritt, if I correctly follow the attributions of Neela Bannerjee, one of the best religion correspondents that the NY Times has had for a while.</p><p>
"Similar to" reflects the ridiculous fundamentalist notion, that all authority rests in the pages of the Bible; such fringe Christians really much more closely resemble Muslims than orthodox Christians, in their attitude toward the Holy Book. &nbsp;In fact, it is impossible to read the Bible aright, without also acknowledging the prior, equivalent authority of science and the humanities.</p><p>
Nevertheless, these statements show that movement is being made, which ought to be appreciated and applauded.</p><p>
One wonders if the signatories are prepared to disavow the anti-evolutionists. &nbsp;A bridge too far, I think.</p><p>
One wonders if they are prepared to confess that their neglect of environmentalist issues -- oops, "creation care" issues -- before now had to do with their disgraceful embrace of the Republican Party.</p><p>
Notice how "pro-life" is used: still with exclusive reference to human embryos and fetuses.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!  So are fish!  So are other sentient animals!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>OK, step by step</strong></p><p>The quote was actually uttered by the young (25-yo) seminarian son of the Rev. James Merritt, Jonathan Merritt, if I correctly follow the attributions of Neela Bannerjee, one of the best religion correspondents that the NY Times has had for a while.</p><p>
"Similar to" reflects the ridiculous fundamentalist notion, that all authority rests in the pages of the Bible; such fringe Christians really much more closely resemble Muslims than orthodox Christians, in their attitude toward the Holy Book. &nbsp;In fact, it is impossible to read the Bible aright, without also acknowledging the prior, equivalent authority of science and the humanities.</p><p>
Nevertheless, these statements show that movement is being made, which ought to be appreciated and applauded.</p><p>
One wonders if the signatories are prepared to disavow the anti-evolutionists. &nbsp;A bridge too far, I think.</p><p>
One wonders if they are prepared to confess that their neglect of environmentalist issues -- oops, "creation care" issues -- before now had to do with their disgraceful embrace of the Republican Party.</p><p>
Notice how "pro-life" is used: still with exclusive reference to human embryos and fetuses.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!  So are fish!  So are other sentient animals!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by David Roberts</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/notable-quotable107/</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:22:08 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Thanks Canis, fixed.</strong></p><p>

<p>grist.org</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Thanks Canis, fixed.</strong></p><p>

<p>grist.org</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by OrganicMania</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:57:25 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Southern Baptists and Climate</strong></p><p>We need everyone we can bring into &nbsp;the fold - the fight against climate change may be the first true "big tent." And all of the religious sects should be getting onboard - many already have. Take a look at La Marguerite's blog today - she's talking about targeting religious groups as allies in the fight against climate change. </p>
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				<p><strong>Southern Baptists and Climate</strong></p><p>We need everyone we can bring into &nbsp;the fold - the fight against climate change may be the first true "big tent." And all of the religious sects should be getting onboard - many already have. Take a look at La Marguerite's blog today - she's talking about targeting religious groups as allies in the fight against climate change. </p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by snaketeacher</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/notable-quotable107/</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:09:24 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Welcome?</strong></p><p>I found the Grist site just tonight and signed up to help me stay abreast of a broad range of issues and keep informed as an environmental educator. &nbsp;From the above post, I've learned that: 1. as a Christian, this fellow environmentalist is uncomfortable w/ me calling myself an environmentalist; 2. I embrace the republican party (That's a revelation to me!!); 3. my belief in the Bible as God's word to humankind is ridiculous and somehow makes me unscientific in my approach to anything. &nbsp;It's ironic--when I meet Christians who thump their Bibles as hard as this commentor lumps and thumps Christians, I ask them to puleeze chill out. &nbsp;Like it or not, Christians are a significant political force. &nbsp;Those of us who care about the earth and its inhabitants would be wise to approach folks from ALL faith persuasions as fellow sentient beings. &nbsp;It's the future generations of sentient beings who'll be hurt most if we remain divided rather than become united in taking care of nature. &nbsp;</p><p>
I hope I'll be welcome on this site,

<p>Audrey Enough</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Welcome?</strong></p><p>I found the Grist site just tonight and signed up to help me stay abreast of a broad range of issues and keep informed as an environmental educator. &nbsp;From the above post, I've learned that: 1. as a Christian, this fellow environmentalist is uncomfortable w/ me calling myself an environmentalist; 2. I embrace the republican party (That's a revelation to me!!); 3. my belief in the Bible as God's word to humankind is ridiculous and somehow makes me unscientific in my approach to anything. &nbsp;It's ironic--when I meet Christians who thump their Bibles as hard as this commentor lumps and thumps Christians, I ask them to puleeze chill out. &nbsp;Like it or not, Christians are a significant political force. &nbsp;Those of us who care about the earth and its inhabitants would be wise to approach folks from ALL faith persuasions as fellow sentient beings. &nbsp;It's the future generations of sentient beings who'll be hurt most if we remain divided rather than become united in taking care of nature. &nbsp;</p><p>
I hope I'll be welcome on this site,

<p>Audrey Enough</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:52:37 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Welcome!</strong></p><p>Audrey Enough,<br>
Christians, and followers of other religious traditions, are welcome here, on the one hand. &nbsp;</p><p>
On the other, no claim to special insight into any environmental matter, from a religious perspective, should go unchallenged. &nbsp;But in this place, if the claim is not too outrageous, it is much more likely to be passed over (and apparently ignored -- but who knows who is reading in silence?) rather than attacked.</p><p>
As a heterodox Catholic Christian, an animal-loving biocentrist humanist, with fairly left-wing politics, I find that the term "Christianity" is too often associated with right-wing politics, an adherence to Republican-party values, and an anthropocentrist, pro-big-business approach to environmentalism. &nbsp;The challenge for people who think as I do is to establish a better sense of "Christianity," over against the word's common, evangelical, Karl-Rove-ist, unorthodox, Bible-thumping and relatively new-fangled connotation. &nbsp;No one at Grist, in my experience, wishes to obstruct that project.</p><p>
On the other hand, it strikes me as confusing, or futile, to try to identify "Christians" as a like-minded political bloc. &nbsp;Surely, all the people who call themselves Christians are all over the place, with regard to what interests them, and they cherish all kinds of different agendas.</p><p>
And sometimes those different agendas can clash, with little immediate hope of reconciliation. &nbsp;E.g., I consider the "pro-life ethics" embraced by many Christians to be a falsehood and an hypocrisy, because those ethics do not put environmental concerns and animal-rights ethics in positions of great importance. &nbsp;How in the world can we allow it to happen, that "life" be defined as narrowly as "the viability of a human embryo"? &nbsp;How is that not ridiculous, and cruel?

<p>Chickens deserve our true friendship!  So do fish!  So do other sentient beings!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Welcome!</strong></p><p>Audrey Enough,<br>
Christians, and followers of other religious traditions, are welcome here, on the one hand. &nbsp;</p><p>
On the other, no claim to special insight into any environmental matter, from a religious perspective, should go unchallenged. &nbsp;But in this place, if the claim is not too outrageous, it is much more likely to be passed over (and apparently ignored -- but who knows who is reading in silence?) rather than attacked.</p><p>
As a heterodox Catholic Christian, an animal-loving biocentrist humanist, with fairly left-wing politics, I find that the term "Christianity" is too often associated with right-wing politics, an adherence to Republican-party values, and an anthropocentrist, pro-big-business approach to environmentalism. &nbsp;The challenge for people who think as I do is to establish a better sense of "Christianity," over against the word's common, evangelical, Karl-Rove-ist, unorthodox, Bible-thumping and relatively new-fangled connotation. &nbsp;No one at Grist, in my experience, wishes to obstruct that project.</p><p>
On the other hand, it strikes me as confusing, or futile, to try to identify "Christians" as a like-minded political bloc. &nbsp;Surely, all the people who call themselves Christians are all over the place, with regard to what interests them, and they cherish all kinds of different agendas.</p><p>
And sometimes those different agendas can clash, with little immediate hope of reconciliation. &nbsp;E.g., I consider the "pro-life ethics" embraced by many Christians to be a falsehood and an hypocrisy, because those ethics do not put environmental concerns and animal-rights ethics in positions of great importance. &nbsp;How in the world can we allow it to happen, that "life" be defined as narrowly as "the viability of a human embryo"? &nbsp;How is that not ridiculous, and cruel?

<p>Chickens deserve our true friendship!  So do fish!  So do other sentient beings!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></br></p>
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