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            <title>Comment #1 by javaearth</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 13:41:52 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>- I do not agree with your article</strong></p><p>It is not the food prices, but rather the food lack of education and lack of healthy practices that many lower soc - economic class people lack. Hence making them fat. </p><p>
Its about priority. If a persons' own health is not important to them, - price of food will have no bearing what so ever! </p><p>
I buy raw beans and grains. I soak them and pressure-cook them at home. I only buy seasonal veggies and fruits on sale. I do not eat junk food. I do not drink soda. I do not eat meat nor deathly dairy products. Hence, I spend very little on food. The rising food cost has had no effect on my food budget. </p><p>
If I ate junk food, fatty foods, and packaged foods like most Americans &nbsp;- and other wealthy nations - do, I too would be fat and poor! </p><p>
I see everyday people driving cars with flashy rims, using new cell phones, and going through drive through - as their main source of food. Well lets be honest, its not really food. &nbsp;</p><p>
People that are fat, chose to be fat! <br>
People that educate themselves about food and practice healthy eating habits are not fat. - Its that simple.</p><p>
The happy, healthy and spending less on food - &nbsp;vegan! </br></p>
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				<p><strong>- I do not agree with your article</strong></p><p>It is not the food prices, but rather the food lack of education and lack of healthy practices that many lower soc - economic class people lack. Hence making them fat. </p><p>
Its about priority. If a persons' own health is not important to them, - price of food will have no bearing what so ever! </p><p>
I buy raw beans and grains. I soak them and pressure-cook them at home. I only buy seasonal veggies and fruits on sale. I do not eat junk food. I do not drink soda. I do not eat meat nor deathly dairy products. Hence, I spend very little on food. The rising food cost has had no effect on my food budget. </p><p>
If I ate junk food, fatty foods, and packaged foods like most Americans &nbsp;- and other wealthy nations - do, I too would be fat and poor! </p><p>
I see everyday people driving cars with flashy rims, using new cell phones, and going through drive through - as their main source of food. Well lets be honest, its not really food. &nbsp;</p><p>
People that are fat, chose to be fat! <br>
People that educate themselves about food and practice healthy eating habits are not fat. - Its that simple.</p><p>
The happy, healthy and spending less on food - &nbsp;vegan! </br></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Nucbuddy</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:24:42 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Gottfredson on IQ mediation of health<p><b>Tom Philpott wrote in the OP: "Cheap food," in and of itself, is not the problem.<p>
Indeed. Linda Gottfredson's research indicates that IQ is the largest mediating factor in human health.<p>
<a href="http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/pubtopics.htm#health" rel="nofollow">udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/pubtopics.htm#health<br>
<a href="http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/" rel="nofollow">udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/<p>
Deary, I. J., Batty, D., &amp; Gottfredson, L. S. (2005, July 29). <a href="http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/2005scienceletter.pdf" rel="nofollow">Human hierarchies, health, and IQ (letter). Science, 309, 703-703.<br>
Gottfredson, L. S. (2005, October 31). <a href="http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/2005BMJrapidresponse.pdf" rel="nofollow">Thinking more deeply about health disparities. A rapid response comment on D. Adkins &amp; E. M. Moy, Left behind: the legacy of hurricane Katrina (editorial), British Medical Journal, 2005, 331: 916-918.<br>
Batty, G. D., Deary, I. J., &amp; Gottfredson, L. S. (2007). <a href="http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/2006IQreview.pdf" rel="nofollow">Pre-morbid (early life) IQ and later mortality risk: Systematic review. Annals of Epidemiology. <br><p>
2007 Power Points presentation:<br>
<a href="http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/#submitted" rel="nofollow">udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/#submitted<p>
Gottfredson, L. S. (2007). Psychometric properties of health and health self-care. Presented at the annual meeting of the International Society for Intelligence Research, Amsterdam, December 13. <br>
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				<p><strong>Gottfredson on IQ mediation of health<p><b>Tom Philpott wrote in the OP: "Cheap food," in and of itself, is not the problem.<p>
Indeed. Linda Gottfredson's research indicates that IQ is the largest mediating factor in human health.<p>
<a href="http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/pubtopics.htm#health" rel="nofollow">udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/pubtopics.htm#health<br>
<a href="http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/" rel="nofollow">udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/<p>
Deary, I. J., Batty, D., &amp; Gottfredson, L. S. (2005, July 29). <a href="http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/2005scienceletter.pdf" rel="nofollow">Human hierarchies, health, and IQ (letter). Science, 309, 703-703.<br>
Gottfredson, L. S. (2005, October 31). <a href="http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/2005BMJrapidresponse.pdf" rel="nofollow">Thinking more deeply about health disparities. A rapid response comment on D. Adkins &amp; E. M. Moy, Left behind: the legacy of hurricane Katrina (editorial), British Medical Journal, 2005, 331: 916-918.<br>
Batty, G. D., Deary, I. J., &amp; Gottfredson, L. S. (2007). <a href="http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/2006IQreview.pdf" rel="nofollow">Pre-morbid (early life) IQ and later mortality risk: Systematic review. Annals of Epidemiology. <br><p>
2007 Power Points presentation:<br>
<a href="http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/#submitted" rel="nofollow">udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/#submitted<p>
Gottfredson, L. S. (2007). Psychometric properties of health and health self-care. Presented at the annual meeting of the International Society for Intelligence Research, Amsterdam, December 13. <br>
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            <title>Comment #3 by hoppekat</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:09:17 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>it's not just food education</strong></p><p>I think the first comment is a bit overly simplistic. &nbsp;Nutrition and food preparation education is sorely lacking across the country (not just in low income communities) but the lack of access to better food choices along with the lack of time in which to &nbsp;prepare whole foods is also a factor.</p><p>
Many urban communities lack community gardens, access to farmer's markets and have limited access to grocery stores with a wide variety of fresh produce. &nbsp;I have lived in some cities where the only place to purchase food that was accessible by public transportation was a small bodega with not a lot of selection and probably ingredients unfamiliar to some people in my community. &nbsp;The large grocery stores has moved to the suburbs. &nbsp;In another community I've lived in the only local grocery store was an expensive whole foods store.</p><p>
Time and convenience are also a factor. &nbsp;When many are working two or more jobs to make ends meet, people often do not or cannot spend the time to prepare foods. &nbsp;I understand that not all healthy food takes a long time to prepare, but I'm saying the temptation of convenience food when you're at the store after working two jobs and needing to go home and take care of your domestic responsibilities is often irresistible. &nbsp;</p><p>
Food prep equipment costs money (may not seem like a lot to everyone, but when you're on the edge of poverty and homelessness it's a different thing) and if you only have a couple of hours of time off from work to prepare food, take care of children, clean, do laundry, etc. with no partner to help or possibility of paying for someone to help with these things then it's a big problem.</p><p>
Our choices and actions are very important, don't get me wrong, but it's also important to note that choices are often limited by income. &nbsp;Some communities have great programs that have community gardens, free nutrition instruction and the like but it's the exception and not the rule. </p><p>
This article is focused on those with low-incomes &nbsp;and I think is well done. &nbsp;We need to volunteer and educate where we can and break down the stereotypes and stigmas of what it means to be low-income and what it means to be vegan and vegetarian and healthy. </p>
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				<p><strong>it's not just food education</strong></p><p>I think the first comment is a bit overly simplistic. &nbsp;Nutrition and food preparation education is sorely lacking across the country (not just in low income communities) but the lack of access to better food choices along with the lack of time in which to &nbsp;prepare whole foods is also a factor.</p><p>
Many urban communities lack community gardens, access to farmer's markets and have limited access to grocery stores with a wide variety of fresh produce. &nbsp;I have lived in some cities where the only place to purchase food that was accessible by public transportation was a small bodega with not a lot of selection and probably ingredients unfamiliar to some people in my community. &nbsp;The large grocery stores has moved to the suburbs. &nbsp;In another community I've lived in the only local grocery store was an expensive whole foods store.</p><p>
Time and convenience are also a factor. &nbsp;When many are working two or more jobs to make ends meet, people often do not or cannot spend the time to prepare foods. &nbsp;I understand that not all healthy food takes a long time to prepare, but I'm saying the temptation of convenience food when you're at the store after working two jobs and needing to go home and take care of your domestic responsibilities is often irresistible. &nbsp;</p><p>
Food prep equipment costs money (may not seem like a lot to everyone, but when you're on the edge of poverty and homelessness it's a different thing) and if you only have a couple of hours of time off from work to prepare food, take care of children, clean, do laundry, etc. with no partner to help or possibility of paying for someone to help with these things then it's a big problem.</p><p>
Our choices and actions are very important, don't get me wrong, but it's also important to note that choices are often limited by income. &nbsp;Some communities have great programs that have community gardens, free nutrition instruction and the like but it's the exception and not the rule. </p><p>
This article is focused on those with low-incomes &nbsp;and I think is well done. &nbsp;We need to volunteer and educate where we can and break down the stereotypes and stigmas of what it means to be low-income and what it means to be vegan and vegetarian and healthy. </p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by MAD MAC</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:36:32 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Only a moron would say this</strong></p><p>"The food crisis will make obesity and attendant diabetes even more rampant. Fruits, vegetables, and fish are becoming luxury goods completely out of reach of many people. Consumption of cheap food will only grow ... Obesity is the toxic consequence of a failing economy."</p><p>
I just walked down to my local market. Fresh fruit, vegetables and fish were rampant. </p><p>
Meat is an expensive food source. Grains are a cheap food source. Even as grain prices rise, so will the cost of meat - fed as it is by grain - rise. </p><p>
Obesity, as study after study has shown, is the consequence of affluence.</p><p>
Was this moron on crack when he wrote this?

<p>Victory in Pattani</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Only a moron would say this</strong></p><p>"The food crisis will make obesity and attendant diabetes even more rampant. Fruits, vegetables, and fish are becoming luxury goods completely out of reach of many people. Consumption of cheap food will only grow ... Obesity is the toxic consequence of a failing economy."</p><p>
I just walked down to my local market. Fresh fruit, vegetables and fish were rampant. </p><p>
Meat is an expensive food source. Grains are a cheap food source. Even as grain prices rise, so will the cost of meat - fed as it is by grain - rise. </p><p>
Obesity, as study after study has shown, is the consequence of affluence.</p><p>
Was this moron on crack when he wrote this?

<p>Victory in Pattani</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by MAD MAC</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:40:45 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Fat women.......</strong></p><p>"A recent U.S. Department of Health and Human Services study found that women in poverty were roughly 50 percent more likely to be obese than those with higher socioeconomic status."</p><p>
Then maybe they should skip the next trip to the McDonalds, stop supersizing their meals, and get their fat asses out for a morning or evening run! Now fat women aren't fat anymore because they're lazy and spending too much time in front of Oprah........ oh no, it's because they're poor and it's the fault of George Bush and evil corporations!!!</p><p>
I am tapped out on sympathy by people who do stupid crap, lead pathetic lifestyles and then want to blame it on the government. When are we going to take responsibility for ourselves?

<p>Victory in Pattani</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Fat women.......</strong></p><p>"A recent U.S. Department of Health and Human Services study found that women in poverty were roughly 50 percent more likely to be obese than those with higher socioeconomic status."</p><p>
Then maybe they should skip the next trip to the McDonalds, stop supersizing their meals, and get their fat asses out for a morning or evening run! Now fat women aren't fat anymore because they're lazy and spending too much time in front of Oprah........ oh no, it's because they're poor and it's the fault of George Bush and evil corporations!!!</p><p>
I am tapped out on sympathy by people who do stupid crap, lead pathetic lifestyles and then want to blame it on the government. When are we going to take responsibility for ourselves?

<p>Victory in Pattani</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:46:47 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Tapped out</strong></p><p>As are the rest of us. &nbsp;On sympathy for dimbulb limboob bush loving numbskullery. &nbsp;</p><p>
The mess you all have put the world in needs to be fixed before you get to spout off anymore. &nbsp;STFU.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Tapped out</strong></p><p>As are the rest of us. &nbsp;On sympathy for dimbulb limboob bush loving numbskullery. &nbsp;</p><p>
The mess you all have put the world in needs to be fixed before you get to spout off anymore. &nbsp;STFU.

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            <title>Comment #7 by MAD MAC</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 05:23:07 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The Mess I have put us in???</strong></p><p>"The mess you all have put the world in needs to be fixed before you get to spout off anymore. &nbsp;STFU."</p><p>
Hmmm, I sold my car. I walk to work - minimal commute. Installed solar panels to power my home and business. Mess I have put us in?</p><p>
And you have heard of freedom of expression have you not? Or do you wish to abridge that in the name of the environment?</p><p>
I just don't pander to B.S. and blame the government for everything under the sun. Nor do I blame George Bush. I didn't vote for him, but he didn't create the situation we are in, and he's being used by moronic environmentalists who fail to offer practical solutions as if he invented the combustion engine.

<p>Victory in Pattani</p></p>
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				<p><strong>The Mess I have put us in???</strong></p><p>"The mess you all have put the world in needs to be fixed before you get to spout off anymore. &nbsp;STFU."</p><p>
Hmmm, I sold my car. I walk to work - minimal commute. Installed solar panels to power my home and business. Mess I have put us in?</p><p>
And you have heard of freedom of expression have you not? Or do you wish to abridge that in the name of the environment?</p><p>
I just don't pander to B.S. and blame the government for everything under the sun. Nor do I blame George Bush. I didn't vote for him, but he didn't create the situation we are in, and he's being used by moronic environmentalists who fail to offer practical solutions as if he invented the combustion engine.

<p>Victory in Pattani</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by LynneL</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:36:57 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>these are not the only factors</strong></p><p>I lived and taught in the S. Bronx for three years. &nbsp;There, like many places, there is both a high level of poverty and a high level of obesity. &nbsp;Quality food WAS difficult to obtain; the produce aisles of the local Pathmark contained nothing I wanted to eat - spotty veggies, withered carrots, white tomatoes. But I think it's more than that. &nbsp;But,like someone before me pointed out, if you care and take the time, you can eat right. &nbsp;However, poor people spend a HUGE amount of time working (often two jobs) and they are under tremendous stress from many things: financials, child-rearing, violence, etc. &nbsp;Sometimes an exhausted person turns to comfort foods too frequently. &nbsp;I know I gained 25 pounds when I lived there, anyway. &nbsp;I left for my health. &nbsp;What if I didn't feel that I had the option/resources to leave? &nbsp; 

<p>"Those who do nothing make no mistakes."  - Peter Kropotkin</p></p>
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				<p><strong>these are not the only factors</strong></p><p>I lived and taught in the S. Bronx for three years. &nbsp;There, like many places, there is both a high level of poverty and a high level of obesity. &nbsp;Quality food WAS difficult to obtain; the produce aisles of the local Pathmark contained nothing I wanted to eat - spotty veggies, withered carrots, white tomatoes. But I think it's more than that. &nbsp;But,like someone before me pointed out, if you care and take the time, you can eat right. &nbsp;However, poor people spend a HUGE amount of time working (often two jobs) and they are under tremendous stress from many things: financials, child-rearing, violence, etc. &nbsp;Sometimes an exhausted person turns to comfort foods too frequently. &nbsp;I know I gained 25 pounds when I lived there, anyway. &nbsp;I left for my health. &nbsp;What if I didn't feel that I had the option/resources to leave? &nbsp; 

<p>"Those who do nothing make no mistakes."  - Peter Kropotkin</p></p>
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