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            <title>Comment #1 by EdieFrederick</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:30:53 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>What struck me in Athan Manuel's testimony ...</strong></p><p>... on behalf of the Sierra Club was that of oil resource lands<br>
currently available for drilling, only 26% are being accessed.<br>
His point was -- why rush into opening up new land when<br>
existing resources are not being used. His point was -- a push <br>
to open up new land distracts attention from the necessity to <br>
acknowlege that oil supply is ultimately finite and we need to direct energy into developing new technologies ASAP.</br></br></br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>What struck me in Athan Manuel's testimony ...</strong></p><p>... on behalf of the Sierra Club was that of oil resource lands<br>
currently available for drilling, only 26% are being accessed.<br>
His point was -- why rush into opening up new land when<br>
existing resources are not being used. His point was -- a push <br>
to open up new land distracts attention from the necessity to <br>
acknowlege that oil supply is ultimately finite and we need to direct energy into developing new technologies ASAP.</br></br></br></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Wolverine</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:59:39 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Uh, Hello, Less Consumption?</strong></p><p>And of course, no one even mentioned simplifying lifestyles and lowering consumption. &nbsp;Because after all, we're amerikkkans and we can do whatever we want. &nbsp;Who needs a stupid planet, anyway?</p>
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				<p><strong>Uh, Hello, Less Consumption?</strong></p><p>And of course, no one even mentioned simplifying lifestyles and lowering consumption. &nbsp;Because after all, we're amerikkkans and we can do whatever we want. &nbsp;Who needs a stupid planet, anyway?</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:21:25 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>oooh, dinosaurs ...</strong></p><p>Being an intense dinosaurophile -- I mean, a lover of Mesozoic Ornithischia and Saurischia -- , I hate that the metaphor "dinosaur" is used as it is.</p><p>
But I certainly agree with the sentiment (and of course with Wolverine's "Less Consumption!" message). &nbsp;Ironically, the "keep drilling!" crowd ("wherever we want!"; "and screw the caribou, and the Gwich'in, and the Inupiat too, and best of all the polar bears, ha ha ha ha ha!") are the ones seeking the violation of paleontological remains of prehistoric living creatures. &nbsp;So sure, let us vilify them, all the time, whenever.</p><p>
Nevertheless, let us also not forget our fundamental respect for all living creatures. &nbsp;Dinosaurs were fun beasts. &nbsp;There were lots of them; and the whole bunch of them lived off-and-on for 150 million years, at least, which is mighty respectable.</p><p>
And birds are dinosaurs too: not very distant cousins from Velociraptor mongoliensis. &nbsp;Think about that, next time you bite into your Chicken McCluckburger (which I do not recommend, actually, the ordering-plus-biting, I mean, but far be it from me to pontificate).

<p>Chickens deserve our true friendship!  So do fish!  So do other sentient beings!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>oooh, dinosaurs ...</strong></p><p>Being an intense dinosaurophile -- I mean, a lover of Mesozoic Ornithischia and Saurischia -- , I hate that the metaphor "dinosaur" is used as it is.</p><p>
But I certainly agree with the sentiment (and of course with Wolverine's "Less Consumption!" message). &nbsp;Ironically, the "keep drilling!" crowd ("wherever we want!"; "and screw the caribou, and the Gwich'in, and the Inupiat too, and best of all the polar bears, ha ha ha ha ha!") are the ones seeking the violation of paleontological remains of prehistoric living creatures. &nbsp;So sure, let us vilify them, all the time, whenever.</p><p>
Nevertheless, let us also not forget our fundamental respect for all living creatures. &nbsp;Dinosaurs were fun beasts. &nbsp;There were lots of them; and the whole bunch of them lived off-and-on for 150 million years, at least, which is mighty respectable.</p><p>
And birds are dinosaurs too: not very distant cousins from Velociraptor mongoliensis. &nbsp;Think about that, next time you bite into your Chicken McCluckburger (which I do not recommend, actually, the ordering-plus-biting, I mean, but far be it from me to pontificate).

<p>Chickens deserve our true friendship!  So do fish!  So do other sentient beings!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by gmobus</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:42:17 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Reality from rhetoric<p>I wonder if they called any actual, you know, oil experts as witnesses? Caruso is an administrator with an agency to protect. Otherwise it sounds like the endless chatter of lawyers who represent interests and might have read a few news stories before forming opinions. They might be rightly worried (given the price of oil today) but for the wrong reasons.<p>
I am always amazed at the way Washington works. Or rather, fails to work. So many self-important people who only think to talk to other self-important people, none of whom have any particular insights into ground truth. As Dick Cheney supposedly said, if I want to know about oil, I'll talk to the head of Exxon. OK maybe he didn't say that, but you get the point. If he really needed to know about oil he should talk to people like Ken Deffeyes. But all these people are interested in is oil-money, not oil geology and energy physics.<p>
Well, we get the government we deserve.<p>
<a href="http://questioneverything.typepad.com/" rel="nofollow">George<br>


<p>George Mobus, 
Associate Professor, Institute of Technology,
University of Washington Tacoma,
and Professional Student for Life</p></br></a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Reality from rhetoric<p>I wonder if they called any actual, you know, oil experts as witnesses? Caruso is an administrator with an agency to protect. Otherwise it sounds like the endless chatter of lawyers who represent interests and might have read a few news stories before forming opinions. They might be rightly worried (given the price of oil today) but for the wrong reasons.<p>
I am always amazed at the way Washington works. Or rather, fails to work. So many self-important people who only think to talk to other self-important people, none of whom have any particular insights into ground truth. As Dick Cheney supposedly said, if I want to know about oil, I'll talk to the head of Exxon. OK maybe he didn't say that, but you get the point. If he really needed to know about oil he should talk to people like Ken Deffeyes. But all these people are interested in is oil-money, not oil geology and energy physics.<p>
Well, we get the government we deserve.<p>
<a href="http://questioneverything.typepad.com/" rel="nofollow">George<br>


<p>George Mobus, 
Associate Professor, Institute of Technology,
University of Washington Tacoma,
and Professional Student for Life</p></br></a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:25:39 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I think our politicians are doing a great job<p>Using 25% of our most productive farmland (an area the size of Indiana) to increase our liquid fuel supplies 2.5% was a brilliant move! You pessimists kill me. Sure corn ethanol has its warts, and that is why Inslee feels we need to move to biodiesel, rapeseed biodiesel, which would have taken an area the size of Indiana and Ohio, or maybe soy biodiesel, an area the size of Ohio, Illinois and Kentucky.<p>
We need to just trust our politicians and their near infinite wisdom.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>I think our politicians are doing a great job<p>Using 25% of our most productive farmland (an area the size of Indiana) to increase our liquid fuel supplies 2.5% was a brilliant move! You pessimists kill me. Sure corn ethanol has its warts, and that is why Inslee feels we need to move to biodiesel, rapeseed biodiesel, which would have taken an area the size of Indiana and Ohio, or maybe soy biodiesel, an area the size of Ohio, Illinois and Kentucky.<p>
We need to just trust our politicians and their near infinite wisdom.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by randino</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:17:05 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Dead  dinosaurs?</strong></p><p>Oh, I thought we were talking about Congress, not oil. </p><p>
Randy Cunningham<br>
Cleveland, OH

<p>Randy Cunningham</p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Dead  dinosaurs?</strong></p><p>Oh, I thought we were talking about Congress, not oil. </p><p>
Randy Cunningham<br>
Cleveland, OH

<p>Randy Cunningham</p></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by wiscidea</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:26:14 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Technically...</strong></p><p>The think the title should be "No Country for Old Bacteria".</p><p>
That might clear up the confusion regarding whether it refers to petroleum or our representatives in Washington... or does it?</p><p>
Generally, Americans, though they don't believe in evolution, appear very fond of dead dinosaurs. So I'd say this IS a country for dead dinosaurs. Indeed, we NEED them. Dinosaurs, by stimulating the curiosity of our youngsters, are the only thing standing between us and a new dark age of religious fundamentalism.</p><p>
So... leave "sleeping" bacteria lie, in &nbsp;the ground, where they belong.</p>
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				<p><strong>Technically...</strong></p><p>The think the title should be "No Country for Old Bacteria".</p><p>
That might clear up the confusion regarding whether it refers to petroleum or our representatives in Washington... or does it?</p><p>
Generally, Americans, though they don't believe in evolution, appear very fond of dead dinosaurs. So I'd say this IS a country for dead dinosaurs. Indeed, we NEED them. Dinosaurs, by stimulating the curiosity of our youngsters, are the only thing standing between us and a new dark age of religious fundamentalism.</p><p>
So... leave "sleeping" bacteria lie, in &nbsp;the ground, where they belong.</p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by Kenny B</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 03:03:01 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Great title...</strong></p><p>I don't think any blog out there has better titles for its posts than Grist.</p><p>
Anyway, I think we should be listening to Nobuo Tanaka of the IEA and create an energy revolution, or as Ted Turner would say, another renaissance. &nbsp;That level of change is the only way to get out of the energy/environmental mess we're in.</p><p>
Reducing consumption is good too, but I've tried being the gadfly to push that message on folks, and most of them just roll their eyes. &nbsp;In the meantime, I try to do my part.</p>
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				<p><strong>Great title...</strong></p><p>I don't think any blog out there has better titles for its posts than Grist.</p><p>
Anyway, I think we should be listening to Nobuo Tanaka of the IEA and create an energy revolution, or as Ted Turner would say, another renaissance. &nbsp;That level of change is the only way to get out of the energy/environmental mess we're in.</p><p>
Reducing consumption is good too, but I've tried being the gadfly to push that message on folks, and most of them just roll their eyes. &nbsp;In the meantime, I try to do my part.</p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by John former Marine</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 03:30:28 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Commuter buses are crowded....</strong></p><p>Now that gas is $4 a gallon, my commuter bus has become crowded to the point that it's practically half as full as a chicken bus in Guatemala (which get pretty packed in). &nbsp;Our DC metro is now almost 1/3 as overflowing as the trains in Rio de Janeiro. &nbsp;It's bad!</p><p>
Honestly though, the hardest part of riding a commuter bus now is that it's full of SUV drivers who can't wait to get back out on the road in their Escalades (Escape/Escalante/Excapade/Excalibur) as soon as the price of gas drops back to a reasonable price ($3.85/gal.). &nbsp;It used to be that all of us bus-riders could laugh about the price of gas and bash SUV drivers openly...now we have to self-censor.

<p>Shu pas a vende.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Commuter buses are crowded....</strong></p><p>Now that gas is $4 a gallon, my commuter bus has become crowded to the point that it's practically half as full as a chicken bus in Guatemala (which get pretty packed in). &nbsp;Our DC metro is now almost 1/3 as overflowing as the trains in Rio de Janeiro. &nbsp;It's bad!</p><p>
Honestly though, the hardest part of riding a commuter bus now is that it's full of SUV drivers who can't wait to get back out on the road in their Escalades (Escape/Escalante/Excapade/Excalibur) as soon as the price of gas drops back to a reasonable price ($3.85/gal.). &nbsp;It used to be that all of us bus-riders could laugh about the price of gas and bash SUV drivers openly...now we have to self-censor.

<p>Shu pas a vende.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by wiscidea</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:10:10 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>joyous laughter</strong></p><p>JfM wrote...</p><p>
"It used to be that all of us bus-riders could laugh about the price of gas and bash SUV drivers openly...now we have to self-censor."</p><p>
I suggest continuing the joyous laughter regarding the price of gas. Perhaps the SUV drivers will recognize the joy of not relying on gasoline and they'll be motivated to permanently abandon their vehicles. Openly discuss the benefits of vegetarianism, recycling, et cetera as well. Consider this an opportunity to educate a community that normally insulates itself from the more progressive elements of our society. They can no longer hide in their steel cocoons.</p><p>
It is, however, very kind of you and probably wise to not "bash" them openly. You should consider trying to help them by demonstrating a better way of life, not further alienate them and reinforce any bad stereotypes.</p>
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				<p><strong>joyous laughter</strong></p><p>JfM wrote...</p><p>
"It used to be that all of us bus-riders could laugh about the price of gas and bash SUV drivers openly...now we have to self-censor."</p><p>
I suggest continuing the joyous laughter regarding the price of gas. Perhaps the SUV drivers will recognize the joy of not relying on gasoline and they'll be motivated to permanently abandon their vehicles. Openly discuss the benefits of vegetarianism, recycling, et cetera as well. Consider this an opportunity to educate a community that normally insulates itself from the more progressive elements of our society. They can no longer hide in their steel cocoons.</p><p>
It is, however, very kind of you and probably wise to not "bash" them openly. You should consider trying to help them by demonstrating a better way of life, not further alienate them and reinforce any bad stereotypes.</p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by cbh</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:20:24 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>oil report<p>I came across <a href="http://blackandwhiteprogram.com/report/oil-and-gas-prices" rel="nofollow">this report a few days ago while researching something. It details why oil really is so high and what the problem actually is. worth a read.</a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>oil report<p>I came across <a href="http://blackandwhiteprogram.com/report/oil-and-gas-prices" rel="nofollow">this report a few days ago while researching something. It details why oil really is so high and what the problem actually is. worth a read.</a></p></strong></p>
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