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            <title>Comment #1 by Sean Casten</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/newt-seriously/</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:26:38 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I half agree</strong></p><p>There was a time when the conservative end of the political spectrum was a party of big ideas. &nbsp;Whether or not you agreed with Barry Goldwater, he had a theory and an idea that was unique and drove it into the legacy of a party. &nbsp;When Reagan deregulated the airlines, he was acting on Goldwater's ideas. &nbsp;When he cut top tax rates, he was acting on Laffer curve ideas. &nbsp;Regardless of what one thinks about these things, they were ideas. &nbsp;During that same period (60s - 80s), I agree with your point that the left spent more time complaining about how things were and less on how things could be. &nbsp;Gross oversimplifications, I will grant you, but I think that this is broadly in agreement with your point.</p><p>
However, I don't think we should necessarily give the left a pass on environmental issues today. &nbsp;There remains throughout much of the left a innate &nbsp;wariness of profit-seeking behavior that significantly limits the left's ability to engage on environmental issues. &nbsp;Too much of the left framing is in the form of "the environment is too important to worry about economic costs" which - even where true - implicitly fails to conceive of a set of actions that would benefit both (or, God forbid, harm both, for which examples abound). &nbsp;We see much of this on Grist, such as where people have argued that lower energy costs are to be avoided because they will only galvanize greater energy use. &nbsp;</p><p>
The right is no better, with "the social benefits of economic growth are far more important than those crazy patchouli-stinking hippies realize" also framing the debate as a zero-sum game. &nbsp;But to the extent that Gingrich is making the point that there is a middle ground that the right could claim on this issue, I don't disagree (and no, I haven't read the book). &nbsp;But this is equally true of the left. &nbsp;From either direction though, the center is emptier than I think you give it credit for.</p>
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				<p><strong>I half agree</strong></p><p>There was a time when the conservative end of the political spectrum was a party of big ideas. &nbsp;Whether or not you agreed with Barry Goldwater, he had a theory and an idea that was unique and drove it into the legacy of a party. &nbsp;When Reagan deregulated the airlines, he was acting on Goldwater's ideas. &nbsp;When he cut top tax rates, he was acting on Laffer curve ideas. &nbsp;Regardless of what one thinks about these things, they were ideas. &nbsp;During that same period (60s - 80s), I agree with your point that the left spent more time complaining about how things were and less on how things could be. &nbsp;Gross oversimplifications, I will grant you, but I think that this is broadly in agreement with your point.</p><p>
However, I don't think we should necessarily give the left a pass on environmental issues today. &nbsp;There remains throughout much of the left a innate &nbsp;wariness of profit-seeking behavior that significantly limits the left's ability to engage on environmental issues. &nbsp;Too much of the left framing is in the form of "the environment is too important to worry about economic costs" which - even where true - implicitly fails to conceive of a set of actions that would benefit both (or, God forbid, harm both, for which examples abound). &nbsp;We see much of this on Grist, such as where people have argued that lower energy costs are to be avoided because they will only galvanize greater energy use. &nbsp;</p><p>
The right is no better, with "the social benefits of economic growth are far more important than those crazy patchouli-stinking hippies realize" also framing the debate as a zero-sum game. &nbsp;But to the extent that Gingrich is making the point that there is a middle ground that the right could claim on this issue, I don't disagree (and no, I haven't read the book). &nbsp;But this is equally true of the left. &nbsp;From either direction though, the center is emptier than I think you give it credit for.</p>
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