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            <title>Comment #1 by Sam Wells</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:14:30 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Practicalities in New Joisey</strong></p><p>If there is amusing part to this story, as the termpwerature rises folks in the Northeast might not need to much heating energy, like electricity, natural gas, fuel heating oil, propane, and so forth. &nbsp;It has been a long time since I saw data about summer versus winter energy consumption in various states, but up there it has been cold as heck in the winter. </p><p>
So if it warmed up I guess more homes will have central air or window units but my understanding is that people down south spend more on summer A/C cooling. &nbsp;You well-travelled folks from Joisey know sometimes it gets to over 112 F in Dallas, Phoenix, and Las Vegas.</p><p>
But wait a minute, Chaos Theory should dictate that the weather will go bonkers, with lower lows and highs, moisture all crazy in floods one place and drought next door. &nbsp;That always seemed to be a corrolary of Global Warming, the nutty weather Chaos part. &nbsp;I wonder why?</p><p>
The implications are that will average temperatures may be inching up in terms of hundredths of a degree Celsius, the extremes and statistical ranges could be getting wider much faster. &nbsp;And the last hurricnae in the Red Sea was like in 1954. </p><p>
I'm sure it's a circadian cycle of several kinds but we're even seeing weather models perform horribly ... no explanation comes close to carbon dioxide, water vapor, and heat flux yet something is missing. &nbsp;Even the models used by IPCC seemed to show steady-state performace instead of the crazy stuff we see everywhere today. &nbsp;</p><p>
Good morning New Joisey!<br>
/sammie

<p>Onward through the fog</p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Practicalities in New Joisey</strong></p><p>If there is amusing part to this story, as the termpwerature rises folks in the Northeast might not need to much heating energy, like electricity, natural gas, fuel heating oil, propane, and so forth. &nbsp;It has been a long time since I saw data about summer versus winter energy consumption in various states, but up there it has been cold as heck in the winter. </p><p>
So if it warmed up I guess more homes will have central air or window units but my understanding is that people down south spend more on summer A/C cooling. &nbsp;You well-travelled folks from Joisey know sometimes it gets to over 112 F in Dallas, Phoenix, and Las Vegas.</p><p>
But wait a minute, Chaos Theory should dictate that the weather will go bonkers, with lower lows and highs, moisture all crazy in floods one place and drought next door. &nbsp;That always seemed to be a corrolary of Global Warming, the nutty weather Chaos part. &nbsp;I wonder why?</p><p>
The implications are that will average temperatures may be inching up in terms of hundredths of a degree Celsius, the extremes and statistical ranges could be getting wider much faster. &nbsp;And the last hurricnae in the Red Sea was like in 1954. </p><p>
I'm sure it's a circadian cycle of several kinds but we're even seeing weather models perform horribly ... no explanation comes close to carbon dioxide, water vapor, and heat flux yet something is missing. &nbsp;Even the models used by IPCC seemed to show steady-state performace instead of the crazy stuff we see everywhere today. &nbsp;</p><p>
Good morning New Joisey!<br>
/sammie

<p>Onward through the fog</p></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Pangolin</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:15:07 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Polar Ice Cap maybe?<p>All our weather models are based upon a world where there's a big pile of ice covering the arctic ocean. The recent shrinkage of the arctic ice pack could be throwing those models into the toilet. We really have no idea what kind of weather we'll be getting.<p>
It makes it kind of hard to raise reliable crops but as every american knows.....food comes from the supermarket.<p>
May you live in interesting times.

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Polar Ice Cap maybe?<p>All our weather models are based upon a world where there's a big pile of ice covering the arctic ocean. The recent shrinkage of the arctic ice pack could be throwing those models into the toilet. We really have no idea what kind of weather we'll be getting.<p>
It makes it kind of hard to raise reliable crops but as every american knows.....food comes from the supermarket.<p>
May you live in interesting times.

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:50:20 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>New Jersey experiences</strong></p><p>

Nobody in New Jersey natively pronounces the place "New Joisey." &nbsp;There are plenty of immigrants from Brooklyn who may talk like that, but they are hardly normative.</p><p>
The northwestern angle of the state, between the Catskills to the North and the Poconos across the Delaware to the West, is a gorgeous, serene &nbsp;bit of landscape.</p><p>
Though they have often been very tastelessly developed, the off-shore islands of the New Jersey seashore are remarkably beautiful, with some of the finest sandy beaches in the world.</p><p>
The wetlands protected by those barrier islands provide very rich habitat for lots of small critters.</p><p>
Ditto the "pine barrens" of South Jersey.</p><p>
The southwestern coast of New Jersey, along Delaware Bay, is a unique breeding ground for one of the Earth's most ancient large arthropods, of the Chelicerata, spider-kin, the horseshoe crabs.</p><p>
With some imagination, the map of New Jersey looks like a low-drooping tit. &nbsp;The nipple ends in the charming Victorianish town of Cape May, on the Atlantic side, where I worked one summer ages ago, and Cape May Point on the bay side. &nbsp;Cape May Point is a principal migration focus for many migratory birds, especially raptors. &nbsp;And therefore it is a great center for birders.</p><p>
My students at Montclair State University are among the finest people whom I have ever had the honor of working with.



<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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				<p><strong>New Jersey experiences</strong></p><p>

Nobody in New Jersey natively pronounces the place "New Joisey." &nbsp;There are plenty of immigrants from Brooklyn who may talk like that, but they are hardly normative.</p><p>
The northwestern angle of the state, between the Catskills to the North and the Poconos across the Delaware to the West, is a gorgeous, serene &nbsp;bit of landscape.</p><p>
Though they have often been very tastelessly developed, the off-shore islands of the New Jersey seashore are remarkably beautiful, with some of the finest sandy beaches in the world.</p><p>
The wetlands protected by those barrier islands provide very rich habitat for lots of small critters.</p><p>
Ditto the "pine barrens" of South Jersey.</p><p>
The southwestern coast of New Jersey, along Delaware Bay, is a unique breeding ground for one of the Earth's most ancient large arthropods, of the Chelicerata, spider-kin, the horseshoe crabs.</p><p>
With some imagination, the map of New Jersey looks like a low-drooping tit. &nbsp;The nipple ends in the charming Victorianish town of Cape May, on the Atlantic side, where I worked one summer ages ago, and Cape May Point on the bay side. &nbsp;Cape May Point is a principal migration focus for many migratory birds, especially raptors. &nbsp;And therefore it is a great center for birders.</p><p>
My students at Montclair State University are among the finest people whom I have ever had the honor of working with.



<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Sam Wells</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 02:31:11 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I was kidding, dude!</strong></p><p>I meant no attack on the wonderful place and citizens of New Jersey...</p><p>
The background - I grew up in Connecticut and let's just say it was a "provincial" experience. &nbsp;We were stuck in between New Yawk and Bah Habba. &nbsp;Our closest buddies were in Rhode Island, and I spent years summering on Block Island. &nbsp;The summer boaters from New Joisey were rather infamous partiers to say the least ... the Bah Habba types were Bluebloods who never had any fun. &nbsp;Perceptions, perceptions, and inccuracies all, but it was meant to be funny.</p><p>
Thirty years later I'm working the the Port of New York and guess where most all the ship traffic goes - to New Jersey! &nbsp;They are very concerned about ozone, particulate, and greenhouse gasses and have been proactive in implementing many programs started in California. &nbsp;It is a plasure to work with these folks.</p><p>
But I'm still a born-again kidder!<br>
-sammie

<p>Onward through the fog</p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>I was kidding, dude!</strong></p><p>I meant no attack on the wonderful place and citizens of New Jersey...</p><p>
The background - I grew up in Connecticut and let's just say it was a "provincial" experience. &nbsp;We were stuck in between New Yawk and Bah Habba. &nbsp;Our closest buddies were in Rhode Island, and I spent years summering on Block Island. &nbsp;The summer boaters from New Joisey were rather infamous partiers to say the least ... the Bah Habba types were Bluebloods who never had any fun. &nbsp;Perceptions, perceptions, and inccuracies all, but it was meant to be funny.</p><p>
Thirty years later I'm working the the Port of New York and guess where most all the ship traffic goes - to New Jersey! &nbsp;They are very concerned about ozone, particulate, and greenhouse gasses and have been proactive in implementing many programs started in California. &nbsp;It is a plasure to work with these folks.</p><p>
But I'm still a born-again kidder!<br>
-sammie

<p>Onward through the fog</p></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 03:43:20 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Bailo's Emissions Goals<p><br>
I plan to reduce all my CO2 emissions to 0 by 2050.<p>
Since I'm 47 now - I will be dead by then.<p>
It should be doable.

<p>John Bailo<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Bailo's Emissions Goals<p><br>
I plan to reduce all my CO2 emissions to 0 by 2050.<p>
Since I'm 47 now - I will be dead by then.<p>
It should be doable.

<p>John Bailo<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Kate Sheppard</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 04:14:35 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Jersey, representin'</strong></p><p>I'm so proud of my motherland. Eat our dust, wimpy West Coasters!

<p>Kate Sheppard</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Jersey, representin'</strong></p><p>I'm so proud of my motherland. Eat our dust, wimpy West Coasters!

<p>Kate Sheppard</p></p>
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