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            <title>Comment #1 by tico89</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/neglected-ice-sheets-water-down-ipcc-report/</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:20:13 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Something?</strong></p><p>Anything that relies so heavily on consensus and agreement between groups and governments will in the end have huge amounts of important flaws and will probably, due to the pressures of bureaucracy, generally emphasise the uncertainties in the science. A report that talks about water levels rising 5 to 23 inches, with other sources talking about feet, will help to confuse the public, who will claim that no one really knows what they are talking about (and they wouldn't be far off with sea levels rising, judging by how difficult these predictions are and the sizes of the ice sheets and oceans involved).</p><p>
However, this is the price we have to pay. The existence of such a report, the cooperation that took place with this panel, and the fact that something so 'official-sounding' at least talks about sea level rises is something to be happy about. People may enjoy picking holes in arguments they do not always understand, and saying frankly "this is too vague", but few will stand idly by and watch their favourite beaches and tropical islands disappear. And we need people to at least appreciate, if not understand, what is going on -- very, very quickly.</p>
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				<p><strong>Something?</strong></p><p>Anything that relies so heavily on consensus and agreement between groups and governments will in the end have huge amounts of important flaws and will probably, due to the pressures of bureaucracy, generally emphasise the uncertainties in the science. A report that talks about water levels rising 5 to 23 inches, with other sources talking about feet, will help to confuse the public, who will claim that no one really knows what they are talking about (and they wouldn't be far off with sea levels rising, judging by how difficult these predictions are and the sizes of the ice sheets and oceans involved).</p><p>
However, this is the price we have to pay. The existence of such a report, the cooperation that took place with this panel, and the fact that something so 'official-sounding' at least talks about sea level rises is something to be happy about. People may enjoy picking holes in arguments they do not always understand, and saying frankly "this is too vague", but few will stand idly by and watch their favourite beaches and tropical islands disappear. And we need people to at least appreciate, if not understand, what is going on -- very, very quickly.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:04:52 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Hmmm</strong></p><p>I think I've been saying this for awhile now. &nbsp;</p><p>
Now it will be like claiming increased hurricane intensity is directly related to global climate change.</p><p>
Sorry no proof. &nbsp;50 years after all the ice is melted, then there maybe proof.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Hmmm</strong></p><p>I think I've been saying this for awhile now. &nbsp;</p><p>
Now it will be like claiming increased hurricane intensity is directly related to global climate change.</p><p>
Sorry no proof. &nbsp;50 years after all the ice is melted, then there maybe proof.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Mike B</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/neglected-ice-sheets-water-down-ipcc-report/</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:20:46 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>A Child's Prayer</strong></p><p>Oh Lord<br>
I wish you could<br>
stop global warming<br>
'cause the poles <br>
are melting <br>
and I've only started<br>
on growing<br>
Why must the eedolts<br>
keep BURNING<br>
things for power<br>
When the wind and sun are free<br>
as the waves of the deep<br>
blue sea<br>
and I'm on my knees<br>
wondering<br>
Why Lord aren't you in charge<br>
'stead of all them <br>
fools who say<br>
It isn't happening<br>
Not here<br>
Relax Joe Six<br>
Have another beer</br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>A Child's Prayer</strong></p><p>Oh Lord<br>
I wish you could<br>
stop global warming<br>
'cause the poles <br>
are melting <br>
and I've only started<br>
on growing<br>
Why must the eedolts<br>
keep BURNING<br>
things for power<br>
When the wind and sun are free<br>
as the waves of the deep<br>
blue sea<br>
and I'm on my knees<br>
wondering<br>
Why Lord aren't you in charge<br>
'stead of all them <br>
fools who say<br>
It isn't happening<br>
Not here<br>
Relax Joe Six<br>
Have another beer</br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by A Siegel</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/neglected-ice-sheets-water-down-ipcc-report/</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:28:31 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Scientific Report by Massive Committee ...</strong></p><p>So true:</p><p>
"Anything that relies so heavily on consensus and agreement between groups and governments will in the end have huge amounts of important flaws and will probably, due to the pressures of bureaucracy, generally emphasi[z]e the uncertainties in the science."</p><p>
Yet, the 4th IPCC is already being attacked (aggressively) by Global Warming Deniers as a bunch of fearmongering. &nbsp;I just responded to a poster over at Ecotality who was attacking the "Chicken Litte Global Warming fear mongering" and asserting that Global Warming is just a tool to enslave the masses by an elite. ... And, sadly, there is still resonance for this in the United States (most notably in the OVP and Oval Office (in order of importance?)). </p><p>
Yet, this report is consensus ... and a consensus combining scientists and bureaucrats from all over the world. Anyone who has sat around a conference table with just a few people trying to iron out the words even in a cover letter knows how horrible a process that is. &nbsp;But, again, too many will not be able to conceive of this report in that vein.</p><p>
This is a struggle, to get out the understanding that this is base report that, almost certainly, is understating the severity of the challenges facing us (US and the world) today and into the indefinite future, rather than 'chicken little fear mongering'.</p><p>
Now, the public in the United States is shifting ... yet, only 47% percent of Americans (by latest polling) believe that it has been conclusively shown that human activity is causing Global Warming. &nbsp;And, the vast majority believe that taking steps to deal with Global Warming will hurt the economy/them even though we can go very far with a 'no regrets' strategy while improving real quality of life and strengthening the economy. &nbsp;But of these incorrect impressions need to be shifted --- as quickly as can be.</p>
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				<p><strong>Scientific Report by Massive Committee ...</strong></p><p>So true:</p><p>
"Anything that relies so heavily on consensus and agreement between groups and governments will in the end have huge amounts of important flaws and will probably, due to the pressures of bureaucracy, generally emphasi[z]e the uncertainties in the science."</p><p>
Yet, the 4th IPCC is already being attacked (aggressively) by Global Warming Deniers as a bunch of fearmongering. &nbsp;I just responded to a poster over at Ecotality who was attacking the "Chicken Litte Global Warming fear mongering" and asserting that Global Warming is just a tool to enslave the masses by an elite. ... And, sadly, there is still resonance for this in the United States (most notably in the OVP and Oval Office (in order of importance?)). </p><p>
Yet, this report is consensus ... and a consensus combining scientists and bureaucrats from all over the world. Anyone who has sat around a conference table with just a few people trying to iron out the words even in a cover letter knows how horrible a process that is. &nbsp;But, again, too many will not be able to conceive of this report in that vein.</p><p>
This is a struggle, to get out the understanding that this is base report that, almost certainly, is understating the severity of the challenges facing us (US and the world) today and into the indefinite future, rather than 'chicken little fear mongering'.</p><p>
Now, the public in the United States is shifting ... yet, only 47% percent of Americans (by latest polling) believe that it has been conclusively shown that human activity is causing Global Warming. &nbsp;And, the vast majority believe that taking steps to deal with Global Warming will hurt the economy/them even though we can go very far with a 'no regrets' strategy while improving real quality of life and strengthening the economy. &nbsp;But of these incorrect impressions need to be shifted --- as quickly as can be.</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by dotcommodity</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/neglected-ice-sheets-water-down-ipcc-report/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:24:35 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Exxon funded Fraser Institute spins IPPC report<p>Heres every organisation Exxon funded to disinform us.<br>
<a href="http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/listorganizations.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/listorganizations.php</a></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Exxon funded Fraser Institute spins IPPC report<p>Heres every organisation Exxon funded to disinform us.<br>
<a href="http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/listorganizations.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/listorganizations.php</a></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 01:55:32 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>More brie?</strong></p><p><br>
The IPCC report is a great victory...for cheese eating, espresso swilling Eurocrats.</p><p>
Now they can have tons more conferences about Global Heating.</p><p>
And Al Gore can win an Oscar AND a Nobel Peace Prize.</p><p>
See...everyone's happy. </p><p>
Now if they would all just shut up.

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				<p><strong>More brie?</strong></p><p><br>
The IPCC report is a great victory...for cheese eating, espresso swilling Eurocrats.</p><p>
Now they can have tons more conferences about Global Heating.</p><p>
And Al Gore can win an Oscar AND a Nobel Peace Prize.</p><p>
See...everyone's happy. </p><p>
Now if they would all just shut up.

<p>The Texeme Construct offers international text memetics construction and textcasting services.</p></br></p>
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