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            <title>Comment #1 by GreenEngineer</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:33:12 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>soil</strong></p><p>So I'm surprised that the soil was as good as you report. &nbsp;My own (very limited, garden scale) experience with high nitrogen fertilizers supports the notion that they burn organic matter out of the soil in a hurry, and don't do much good for the soil biota. &nbsp;But it sounds like you're describing a good, healthy soil.</p><p>
Any theories on that?</p>
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				<p><strong>soil</strong></p><p>So I'm surprised that the soil was as good as you report. &nbsp;My own (very limited, garden scale) experience with high nitrogen fertilizers supports the notion that they burn organic matter out of the soil in a hurry, and don't do much good for the soil biota. &nbsp;But it sounds like you're describing a good, healthy soil.</p><p>
Any theories on that?</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Kristina & Jason Makansi</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:20:07 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>energy density matters<p>It's mind-boggling that people with real power are talking quite seriously about harvesting even that "waste" and turning it into fuel for our cars. What, if and when cellulosic ethanol finally comes online, will become of that rich, black soil -- one of the greatest stores of soil fertility on earth? Should we really burn through the Midwest's topsoil to keep our cars on the road?<p>
According to a <a href="http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/531775/" rel="nofollow">press release announcing a new paper by Jesse Ausubel of The Rockefeller University, "Increased use of biomass fuel in any form is criminal...Humans must spare land for nature. Every auto would require a pasture of 1-2 hectares." <p>
Ausubel argues that renewables -- hydro, biomass, wind, solar -- are not good for the environment because they do not benefit from economies of scale. In fact, he says, "Renewables may be renewable but they are not green. If we want to minimize new structures and the rape of nature, nuclear energy is the best option."<p>
His argument stems from the fact that to produce more energy from renewable sources, more land is needed. Renewables are, in other words, low density energy producers. "Nuclear energy", Ausubel says, "is green." He argues that,"Considered in watts per square meter, nuclear has astronomical advantages over its competitors."<p>
That's because the uranium atom is so dense. In terms of energy density, in a head-to-head comparison between nuclear and the renewables mentioned above, nuclear is, according to Ausubel, the undisputed winner. <p>
So, on the plus side, nuclear power has unparalleled energy density and a lack of CO2 emissions from the plant. However, when you look at the lingering issue of spent fuel and the problems faced by Tokyo Electric after the recent earthquake, it is clear, as we say in <a href="http://www.jasonmakansi.com/lightsout_endorsements.html/" rel="nofollow">Lights Out, "the [nuclear] industry is still one major accident away from another trip to oblivion." 

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				<p><strong>energy density matters<p>It's mind-boggling that people with real power are talking quite seriously about harvesting even that "waste" and turning it into fuel for our cars. What, if and when cellulosic ethanol finally comes online, will become of that rich, black soil -- one of the greatest stores of soil fertility on earth? Should we really burn through the Midwest's topsoil to keep our cars on the road?<p>
According to a <a href="http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/531775/" rel="nofollow">press release announcing a new paper by Jesse Ausubel of The Rockefeller University, "Increased use of biomass fuel in any form is criminal...Humans must spare land for nature. Every auto would require a pasture of 1-2 hectares." <p>
Ausubel argues that renewables -- hydro, biomass, wind, solar -- are not good for the environment because they do not benefit from economies of scale. In fact, he says, "Renewables may be renewable but they are not green. If we want to minimize new structures and the rape of nature, nuclear energy is the best option."<p>
His argument stems from the fact that to produce more energy from renewable sources, more land is needed. Renewables are, in other words, low density energy producers. "Nuclear energy", Ausubel says, "is green." He argues that,"Considered in watts per square meter, nuclear has astronomical advantages over its competitors."<p>
That's because the uranium atom is so dense. In terms of energy density, in a head-to-head comparison between nuclear and the renewables mentioned above, nuclear is, according to Ausubel, the undisputed winner. <p>
So, on the plus side, nuclear power has unparalleled energy density and a lack of CO2 emissions from the plant. However, when you look at the lingering issue of spent fuel and the problems faced by Tokyo Electric after the recent earthquake, it is clear, as we say in <a href="http://www.jasonmakansi.com/lightsout_endorsements.html/" rel="nofollow">Lights Out, "the [nuclear] industry is still one major accident away from another trip to oblivion." 

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            <title>Comment #3 by justlou</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:26:04 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Organic matter</strong></p><p>The corn plants, minus the harvested grain, return several tons/acre of organic material back to the soil. &nbsp;And the corn/soy rotation mimics the composition of native grasses and legumes that were important components of the tall grass prairie. &nbsp;Plus, much of this land is still banking on the thousands of years of tall grass prairie growth that added organic matter to the soil to depths of several feet. &nbsp;</p><p>
Removing the stover or above ground plant parts for cellulosic ethanol production, as some have proposed, has the potential to reduce organic matter in about half the soils used to produce corn. &nbsp;</p><p>
In your own garden situation, the combination of tilling and aerating the soil plus not returning enough organic matter likely had a much greater impact on your soils organic matter and tilth than the nitrogen fertilizers you added.</p>
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				<p><strong>Organic matter</strong></p><p>The corn plants, minus the harvested grain, return several tons/acre of organic material back to the soil. &nbsp;And the corn/soy rotation mimics the composition of native grasses and legumes that were important components of the tall grass prairie. &nbsp;Plus, much of this land is still banking on the thousands of years of tall grass prairie growth that added organic matter to the soil to depths of several feet. &nbsp;</p><p>
Removing the stover or above ground plant parts for cellulosic ethanol production, as some have proposed, has the potential to reduce organic matter in about half the soils used to produce corn. &nbsp;</p><p>
In your own garden situation, the combination of tilling and aerating the soil plus not returning enough organic matter likely had a much greater impact on your soils organic matter and tilth than the nitrogen fertilizers you added.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Kristina & Jason Makansi</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:39:17 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>ooops...ausubel covered elsewhere<p>While I was writing on the Ausubel article, others were already busy posting elsewhere...it appears that his thesis is generating a, shall we say, healthy debate here: <p>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/7/25/163621/797" rel="nofollow">Fatally flawed attack on renewables by Jesse Ausubel<br>


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				<p><strong>ooops...ausubel covered elsewhere<p>While I was writing on the Ausubel article, others were already busy posting elsewhere...it appears that his thesis is generating a, shall we say, healthy debate here: <p>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/7/25/163621/797" rel="nofollow">Fatally flawed attack on renewables by Jesse Ausubel<br>


<p>Pearl Street/Jason and Kristina Makansi

Learn more and order Lights Out at <a href="http://www.jasonmakansi.com/lightsout_endorsements.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.jasonmakansi.com/lightsout_endorsements.html</a></p></br></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by GreenEngineer</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 04:25:09 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>gardening<p>We don't till, we sheetmulch. &nbsp;This was some years ago, back when we were first figuring out what we were doing. &nbsp;We built beds from compost and we overapplied blood meal (a very high nitrogen source which, unlike most organic but like most artificial fertilizers, is water soluable and thus highly available). &nbsp;The result was that we burned down a 9" layer of compost to a 3" layer in a couple of months. &nbsp;I'm attributing it to the fertilizer because I've built similar beds since, with much more modest fertilizer applications, and not had the same effect. &nbsp;But it could be some other factor -- we're not running a controlled experiment here.<p>
There's also alot of talk in organic circles about how destructive chemical N2 is to the soil, particularly the organic matter content. &nbsp;But like Tom, I haven't been to Iowa (at all, in my case), so I haven't seen it first-hand. &nbsp;Thus my question.<p>
nd the corn/soy rotation mimics the composition of native grasses and legumes that were important components of the tall grass prairie.<p>
Incidentally, this is a poor imitation at best. &nbsp;The tall grass prairie had a high proportion of perennials, which tend to build soil rather than depleting it. &nbsp;That's why <a href="http://www.landinstitute.org/vnews/display.v/ART/2000/08/10/37a747b43" rel="nofollow">The Land Institute is trying to develop cultivars of perennial grasses.</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>gardening<p>We don't till, we sheetmulch. &nbsp;This was some years ago, back when we were first figuring out what we were doing. &nbsp;We built beds from compost and we overapplied blood meal (a very high nitrogen source which, unlike most organic but like most artificial fertilizers, is water soluable and thus highly available). &nbsp;The result was that we burned down a 9" layer of compost to a 3" layer in a couple of months. &nbsp;I'm attributing it to the fertilizer because I've built similar beds since, with much more modest fertilizer applications, and not had the same effect. &nbsp;But it could be some other factor -- we're not running a controlled experiment here.<p>
There's also alot of talk in organic circles about how destructive chemical N2 is to the soil, particularly the organic matter content. &nbsp;But like Tom, I haven't been to Iowa (at all, in my case), so I haven't seen it first-hand. &nbsp;Thus my question.<p>
nd the corn/soy rotation mimics the composition of native grasses and legumes that were important components of the tall grass prairie.<p>
Incidentally, this is a poor imitation at best. &nbsp;The tall grass prairie had a high proportion of perennials, which tend to build soil rather than depleting it. &nbsp;That's why <a href="http://www.landinstitute.org/vnews/display.v/ART/2000/08/10/37a747b43" rel="nofollow">The Land Institute is trying to develop cultivars of perennial grasses.</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by usandthem</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:16:59 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Iowa farm ground</strong></p><p>Tom I wonder if you dug down in the soil about six inches? I suspect that you did not.If you had you would still see the rich black earth,but you would not find any worms or much of any other kind of life.The intense plant life and the heavy use of chemicals stifle life other than the monocroping of corn. The soil is not healthy. It will grow corn and soybeans,but other life is missing.

<p>Why not ask why!?</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Iowa farm ground</strong></p><p>Tom I wonder if you dug down in the soil about six inches? I suspect that you did not.If you had you would still see the rich black earth,but you would not find any worms or much of any other kind of life.The intense plant life and the heavy use of chemicals stifle life other than the monocroping of corn. The soil is not healthy. It will grow corn and soybeans,but other life is missing.

<p>Why not ask why!?</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Ron Steenblik</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:39:36 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Rain, and the political economy of farm bills<p>Tom, your comments on the vigor of the corn crop you witnessed reminded me of an interesting <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-thu_farm0726jul26,0,6079905.story" rel="nofollow">article that appeared in the Chicago Tribune (web edition) a couple of days ago. Here is the key message:<p>
The prospect of an abundant harvest in the key corn states of Illinois and Iowa has given critical momentum to the $300 billion farm bill headed for the House floor Thursday, under threat of a possible veto by President Bush.<p>
The proposed legislation closely follows the blueprint of the last five-year farm bill in 2002, providing generous subsidies popular with farmers and another big commitment to ethanol fuel. Critics who consider the measure a waste of tax dollars and a barrier to trade agreements might have gotten more traction if farmers such as [Peotone, Illinois corn farmer Jim] Robbins had failed to deliver.<p>
A miserable crop and soaring corn prices would have changed the debate over the bill, making it tougher to fend off reform and retain so much of the oft-criticized 2002 provisions, farm experts said. Robbins is toasting the good fortune: "There probably would have been less money available," he said. "But we're not going to have a problem with supply this year."<p>
Schadenfreude (or its opposite) is never appropriate when the price of food is at stake, but clearly the corn-ethanol industry has had luck on its side this year ... and has succeeded in dodging another bullet.</p></p></p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Rain, and the political economy of farm bills<p>Tom, your comments on the vigor of the corn crop you witnessed reminded me of an interesting <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-thu_farm0726jul26,0,6079905.story" rel="nofollow">article that appeared in the Chicago Tribune (web edition) a couple of days ago. Here is the key message:<p>
The prospect of an abundant harvest in the key corn states of Illinois and Iowa has given critical momentum to the $300 billion farm bill headed for the House floor Thursday, under threat of a possible veto by President Bush.<p>
The proposed legislation closely follows the blueprint of the last five-year farm bill in 2002, providing generous subsidies popular with farmers and another big commitment to ethanol fuel. Critics who consider the measure a waste of tax dollars and a barrier to trade agreements might have gotten more traction if farmers such as [Peotone, Illinois corn farmer Jim] Robbins had failed to deliver.<p>
A miserable crop and soaring corn prices would have changed the debate over the bill, making it tougher to fend off reform and retain so much of the oft-criticized 2002 provisions, farm experts said. Robbins is toasting the good fortune: "There probably would have been less money available," he said. "But we're not going to have a problem with supply this year."<p>
Schadenfreude (or its opposite) is never appropriate when the price of food is at stake, but clearly the corn-ethanol industry has had luck on its side this year ... and has succeeded in dodging another bullet.</p></p></p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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