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            <title>Comment #1 by naturescene</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 06:24:19 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>well</strong></p><p>The science of Silent Spring is rather sketchy, and while Carson wasn't the sole force behind the end of widespread DDT use, she was a major factor.</p><p>
The problem with DDT isn't it's toxicity, it's the overuse. &nbsp;Properly managed, DDT is one of the most effective and cheapest ways to battle malaria, which is a terrible disease. &nbsp;There's no reason malaria should still be as widespread as it is, and the hysteria around DDT is partially to blame for that, I have no doubt.</p><p>
But Carson did raise awareness of many issues (whether or not she was right on everything), for that she should be commended. &nbsp;I don't see why there should be a bill to honor her though -- Congress has better things to do. &nbsp;However, the idea of someone blocking this bill is ridiculous. &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>well</strong></p><p>The science of Silent Spring is rather sketchy, and while Carson wasn't the sole force behind the end of widespread DDT use, she was a major factor.</p><p>
The problem with DDT isn't it's toxicity, it's the overuse. &nbsp;Properly managed, DDT is one of the most effective and cheapest ways to battle malaria, which is a terrible disease. &nbsp;There's no reason malaria should still be as widespread as it is, and the hysteria around DDT is partially to blame for that, I have no doubt.</p><p>
But Carson did raise awareness of many issues (whether or not she was right on everything), for that she should be commended. &nbsp;I don't see why there should be a bill to honor her though -- Congress has better things to do. &nbsp;However, the idea of someone blocking this bill is ridiculous. &nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by GonzoDon</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 06:43:27 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Just don't mention Iraq civilian deaths ....</strong></p><p>Wow. &nbsp;It's touching to learn that right-wing America expresses such deep, heart-felt concern about Africans suffering from malaria.</p><p>
Who would have thunk it?<br>
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				<p><strong>Just don't mention Iraq civilian deaths ....</strong></p><p>Wow. &nbsp;It's touching to learn that right-wing America expresses such deep, heart-felt concern about Africans suffering from malaria.</p><p>
Who would have thunk it?<br>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 15:19:39 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Stupid, ignorant, bastards<p>Here's to you Rachel...

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Stupid, ignorant, bastards<p>Here's to you Rachel...

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 16:10:00 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>mistake, to underestimate Carson</strong></p><p>GonzoDon, that is very well put. &nbsp;Republicans should always ask themselves: When they seem to be doing good to somebody in trouble, why should anybody believe that they are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, and not for some ulterior, profitable, self-serving motive?</p><p>
The educator Ellie Goldberg, in the "exhausted canary" thread, by way of replacing the hapless canary, wrote this:<br>
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Rachel Carson was a "Sentinel Lion." Rachel Carson had the courage, the confidence, the reverence for life, and the sense of responsibility to speak out during a period of widespread pesticide abuse and environmental degradation. Her book, Silent Spring, still has the transformational power to be the touchstone for a new wave of social consciousness and political urgency. </p><p>
Rachel Carson inspires us to think of ourselves, not as whistleblowers, troublemakers, or canaries in the mine, but as guardians, steadfast sentries, and defenders of our community against the decisions that allow pollution to contaminate our air, water and food. <br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
Whether the "sentinel lion" metaphor has legs, I rather doubt, but I like very much what Ellie is getting at. &nbsp;She is certainly correct to emphasize how inspirational Rachel Carson's writings have been, far beyond the particular issues that Carson was writing about.</p><p>
First in her articles in The New Yorker, then in her book, Rachel Carson brought home the message that we need to be thoughtful, always: When we thoughtlessly go about our economically profitable activities, such as spraying pesticides on crops, we are ignorantly and foolishly killing many members of our own community of living creatures, whom we love.</p><p>
Really, I do not see how anyone could deny that this is an important lesson, which no one else was teaching so well just then; and therefore she most certainly deserves some honor, such as the one that Cambridge is bestowing on her.</p><p>
And we can have no doubt that she would be horrified by the way her anti-DDT message has been abused by US politicians with agendas of their own. &nbsp;She would be moved to laughter, probably, by the ridiculous accusations that she is a mass-murderer, were it not for the fact that she is being bizarrely charged with the deaths of countless victims of malaria.</p><p>
On Sunday, May 27, the hundredth anniversary of her birth, we must celebrate her and her work, remembering her love for all human beings, and for all the animals with which we share this world.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>mistake, to underestimate Carson</strong></p><p>GonzoDon, that is very well put. &nbsp;Republicans should always ask themselves: When they seem to be doing good to somebody in trouble, why should anybody believe that they are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, and not for some ulterior, profitable, self-serving motive?</p><p>
The educator Ellie Goldberg, in the "exhausted canary" thread, by way of replacing the hapless canary, wrote this:<br>
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Rachel Carson was a "Sentinel Lion." Rachel Carson had the courage, the confidence, the reverence for life, and the sense of responsibility to speak out during a period of widespread pesticide abuse and environmental degradation. Her book, Silent Spring, still has the transformational power to be the touchstone for a new wave of social consciousness and political urgency. </p><p>
Rachel Carson inspires us to think of ourselves, not as whistleblowers, troublemakers, or canaries in the mine, but as guardians, steadfast sentries, and defenders of our community against the decisions that allow pollution to contaminate our air, water and food. <br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
Whether the "sentinel lion" metaphor has legs, I rather doubt, but I like very much what Ellie is getting at. &nbsp;She is certainly correct to emphasize how inspirational Rachel Carson's writings have been, far beyond the particular issues that Carson was writing about.</p><p>
First in her articles in The New Yorker, then in her book, Rachel Carson brought home the message that we need to be thoughtful, always: When we thoughtlessly go about our economically profitable activities, such as spraying pesticides on crops, we are ignorantly and foolishly killing many members of our own community of living creatures, whom we love.</p><p>
Really, I do not see how anyone could deny that this is an important lesson, which no one else was teaching so well just then; and therefore she most certainly deserves some honor, such as the one that Cambridge is bestowing on her.</p><p>
And we can have no doubt that she would be horrified by the way her anti-DDT message has been abused by US politicians with agendas of their own. &nbsp;She would be moved to laughter, probably, by the ridiculous accusations that she is a mass-murderer, were it not for the fact that she is being bizarrely charged with the deaths of countless victims of malaria.</p><p>
On Sunday, May 27, the hundredth anniversary of her birth, we must celebrate her and her work, remembering her love for all human beings, and for all the animals with which we share this world.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></br></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 16:13:33 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>major error: wrong antecedent!</strong></p><p>Please forgive my momentary abstracted distraction. &nbsp;In the last sentence of my last comment, of course I meant to write "with WHOM we share this world."

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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				<p><strong>major error: wrong antecedent!</strong></p><p>Please forgive my momentary abstracted distraction. &nbsp;In the last sentence of my last comment, of course I meant to write "with WHOM we share this world."

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 23:26:54 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Ohhh..Oklahoma...</strong></p><p>Where most of the meth precursors are available for anyone to purchase without any regulations.</p><p>
Sing along! &nbsp;</p><p>
How could this be? &nbsp;And why? &nbsp;Because the chemical industry (that also makes DDT) runs the state. &nbsp;That's world class corruption and industrial bribery.</p><p>
They want absolutely no impediment to selling their wares, no matter how harmfull they may be. &nbsp;</p><p>
It's similar to judge Alito's stance on choice. &nbsp;He wants all americans to be able to choose, between semi-automatic and full automatic weapons.</p><p>
A meth lab and machine gun in every home? &nbsp;Yes that's what the corporatist citizens want for their beloved corporate citizens that manufacture chemicals and machine guns. &nbsp;No pesky regulatory interference between their products and the consumer!

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Ohhh..Oklahoma...</strong></p><p>Where most of the meth precursors are available for anyone to purchase without any regulations.</p><p>
Sing along! &nbsp;</p><p>
How could this be? &nbsp;And why? &nbsp;Because the chemical industry (that also makes DDT) runs the state. &nbsp;That's world class corruption and industrial bribery.</p><p>
They want absolutely no impediment to selling their wares, no matter how harmfull they may be. &nbsp;</p><p>
It's similar to judge Alito's stance on choice. &nbsp;He wants all americans to be able to choose, between semi-automatic and full automatic weapons.</p><p>
A meth lab and machine gun in every home? &nbsp;Yes that's what the corporatist citizens want for their beloved corporate citizens that manufacture chemicals and machine guns. &nbsp;No pesky regulatory interference between their products and the consumer!

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by atreyger</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 01:22:34 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Love this:</strong></p><p>staggering forward like a hysterical zombie with Tourette's</p><p>
And amazingdrx: meth precursors are widely available in every state, in every pharmacy. Counties and states with a major meth problem have restrictions on how much cough medicine and such a customer can purchase per visit.</p>
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				<p><strong>Love this:</strong></p><p>staggering forward like a hysterical zombie with Tourette's</p><p>
And amazingdrx: meth precursors are widely available in every state, in every pharmacy. Counties and states with a major meth problem have restrictions on how much cough medicine and such a customer can purchase per visit.</p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by amc89</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 02:03:51 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Great heroine to a nine year old</strong></p><p>I did a report on Rachel in fourth grade and she's been an inspiration to me ever since. &nbsp;</p><p>
Most people don't reaize that she was also an animal protection advocate and condemned factory farming, which was taking off around the time of her book.</p>
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				<p><strong>Great heroine to a nine year old</strong></p><p>I did a report on Rachel in fourth grade and she's been an inspiration to me ever since. &nbsp;</p><p>
Most people don't reaize that she was also an animal protection advocate and condemned factory farming, which was taking off around the time of her book.</p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by SustainableGreen</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 02:14:43 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>&quot;and history ain't changed....&quot;...Not</strong></p><p>Hey, all:</p><p>
Wow, I just have to unabashedly say that the beauty of some of the things I read here brings me to tears. &nbsp;Others make me laugh and some make me angry, and some make me shake my head in disgust, but seldom do I see such beauty. &nbsp;</p><p>
Rachel Carson is one of my members of the holy trinity, with Aldo Leopold and Henry David Thoreau being the others. &nbsp;And "Silent Spring" ranks with "Origin of Species" as history changing literature. &nbsp;</p><p>
I guess one thing I cannot understand is how two more troglodyte-ish Senators (Inhofe and Coburn) could come from the same state in the same century. &nbsp;They should have political targets on their backs for 2008. &nbsp;</p><p>
Yep, here's to you, Rachel.</p><p>
Oh, and I apologize to good troglodytes everywhere.</p><p>
David<br>
Sustainability For Life</p><p>
Messages done with sustainable energy, with Wind and Sun!</br></p>
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				<p><strong>&quot;and history ain't changed....&quot;...Not</strong></p><p>Hey, all:</p><p>
Wow, I just have to unabashedly say that the beauty of some of the things I read here brings me to tears. &nbsp;Others make me laugh and some make me angry, and some make me shake my head in disgust, but seldom do I see such beauty. &nbsp;</p><p>
Rachel Carson is one of my members of the holy trinity, with Aldo Leopold and Henry David Thoreau being the others. &nbsp;And "Silent Spring" ranks with "Origin of Species" as history changing literature. &nbsp;</p><p>
I guess one thing I cannot understand is how two more troglodyte-ish Senators (Inhofe and Coburn) could come from the same state in the same century. &nbsp;They should have political targets on their backs for 2008. &nbsp;</p><p>
Yep, here's to you, Rachel.</p><p>
Oh, and I apologize to good troglodytes everywhere.</p><p>
David<br>
Sustainability For Life</p><p>
Messages done with sustainable energy, with Wind and Sun!</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 02:35:30 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Baby Killer<p>Reversing its policy, UN agency promotes DDT to combat the scourge of malaria<p>
<a href="http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=19855&amp;Cr=malaria&amp;Cr1" rel="nofollow">http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=19855&amp;Cr ...=<p>
15 September 2006 - Nearly 30 years after safety concerns led to the phasing out of indoor spraying with DDT and other insecticides to control malaria, the United Nations health agency said today it will start promoting this method again to fight the global scourge that kills more than one million people every year, including around 3,000 children everyday.<p>
"The scientific and programmatic evidence clearly supports this reassessment. Indoor residual spraying is useful to quickly reduce the number of infections caused by malaria-carrying mosquitoes," said Dr Anarfi Asamoa-Baah, World Health Organization (WHO) Assistant Director-General for HIV/AIDS, TB and Malaria.

<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
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				<p><strong>Baby Killer<p>Reversing its policy, UN agency promotes DDT to combat the scourge of malaria<p>
<a href="http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=19855&amp;Cr=malaria&amp;Cr1" rel="nofollow">http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=19855&amp;Cr ...=<p>
15 September 2006 - Nearly 30 years after safety concerns led to the phasing out of indoor spraying with DDT and other insecticides to control malaria, the United Nations health agency said today it will start promoting this method again to fight the global scourge that kills more than one million people every year, including around 3,000 children everyday.<p>
"The scientific and programmatic evidence clearly supports this reassessment. Indoor residual spraying is useful to quickly reduce the number of infections caused by malaria-carrying mosquitoes," said Dr Anarfi Asamoa-Baah, World Health Organization (WHO) Assistant Director-General for HIV/AIDS, TB and Malaria.

<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 02:44:15 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Parachuting Cats in to Borneo<p>Parachuting cats into Borneo! A Cautionary Tale.<p>
In the early 1950's, the Dayak people of Borneo suffered a malarial outbreak. &nbsp;The World Health Organisation (WHO) had a solution: to spray large amounts of DDT to kill the mosquitoes that carried the malaria. &nbsp;The mosquitoes died; the malaria declined; so far so good. &nbsp;But there were unexpected side effects. &nbsp;Amongst the first was that the roofs of the people's houses began to fall down on their heads. &nbsp;It seemed that the DDT had also killed a parasitic wasp which had previously controlled thatch-eating caterpillars. &nbsp;Worse, the DDT-poisoned insects were eaten by geckoes, which were eaten by cats. &nbsp;The cats started to die, the rats flourished, and the people were threatened by outbreaks of typhus and plague. &nbsp;To cope with these problems, which it had itself created, the WHO was obliged to parachute 14 000 live cats into Borneo. Operation Cat Drop, now almost forgotten at the WHO, is a graphic illustration of the interconnectedness of life, and of the fact that the root of problems often stems from their purported solutions.<p>
(Quoted in Rachel Wynberg and Christine Jardine, Biotechnology and Biodiversity: Key Policy Issues for South Africa, 2000)

<p>Ellie Goldberg, M.Ed.
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				<p><strong>Parachuting Cats in to Borneo<p>Parachuting cats into Borneo! A Cautionary Tale.<p>
In the early 1950's, the Dayak people of Borneo suffered a malarial outbreak. &nbsp;The World Health Organisation (WHO) had a solution: to spray large amounts of DDT to kill the mosquitoes that carried the malaria. &nbsp;The mosquitoes died; the malaria declined; so far so good. &nbsp;But there were unexpected side effects. &nbsp;Amongst the first was that the roofs of the people's houses began to fall down on their heads. &nbsp;It seemed that the DDT had also killed a parasitic wasp which had previously controlled thatch-eating caterpillars. &nbsp;Worse, the DDT-poisoned insects were eaten by geckoes, which were eaten by cats. &nbsp;The cats started to die, the rats flourished, and the people were threatened by outbreaks of typhus and plague. &nbsp;To cope with these problems, which it had itself created, the WHO was obliged to parachute 14 000 live cats into Borneo. Operation Cat Drop, now almost forgotten at the WHO, is a graphic illustration of the interconnectedness of life, and of the fact that the root of problems often stems from their purported solutions.<p>
(Quoted in Rachel Wynberg and Christine Jardine, Biotechnology and Biodiversity: Key Policy Issues for South Africa, 2000)

<p>Ellie Goldberg, M.Ed.
<a href="http://www.healthy-kids.info" rel="nofollow">http://www.healthy-kids.info</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 02:55:34 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Divide That By A Thousand<p>The truth about the flying cats...<p>
<a href="http://thecompasspoint.blogspot.com/2007/04/tthe-truth-about-flying-cats-and.html" rel="nofollow">http://thecompasspoint.blogspot.com/2007/04/tthe-truth-ab ...<p>
They dropped 7000 lbs of stores including:<p>
Vegetable seeds<p>
4 cartons of stout for a recuperating chieftain<p>
And over 20 cats to wage war on rats that were threatening crops

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				<p><strong>Divide That By A Thousand<p>The truth about the flying cats...<p>
<a href="http://thecompasspoint.blogspot.com/2007/04/tthe-truth-about-flying-cats-and.html" rel="nofollow">http://thecompasspoint.blogspot.com/2007/04/tthe-truth-ab ...<p>
They dropped 7000 lbs of stores including:<p>
Vegetable seeds<p>
4 cartons of stout for a recuperating chieftain<p>
And over 20 cats to wage war on rats that were threatening crops

<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></p></p></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #13 by eriqa</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 03:04:59 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Is it really so hard...</strong></p><p>...to accept that while small, targeted DDT treatments may in fact be worth the costs in order to treat malaria, Rachel Carson's alerting us to the dangers of spritzing the stuff willy-nilly about the landscape is still an achievement worth celebrating? &nbsp;</p><p>
This is the trouble with the present crop of Republicans' "War on Nuance."</p>
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				<p><strong>Is it really so hard...</strong></p><p>...to accept that while small, targeted DDT treatments may in fact be worth the costs in order to treat malaria, Rachel Carson's alerting us to the dangers of spritzing the stuff willy-nilly about the landscape is still an achievement worth celebrating? &nbsp;</p><p>
This is the trouble with the present crop of Republicans' "War on Nuance."</p>
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            <title>Comment #14 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 03:12:09 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>A Nuance That Kills Kids<p><br>
The "nuance" was a kid killer, and a devastator of the African people.<p>
Why can't you Libs accept that in the same manner of colonialists who "knew better", you hero, Rachael Carson allowed millions to die of a disease we already new how to combat???

<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
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				<p><strong>A Nuance That Kills Kids<p><br>
The "nuance" was a kid killer, and a devastator of the African people.<p>
Why can't you Libs accept that in the same manner of colonialists who "knew better", you hero, Rachael Carson allowed millions to die of a disease we already new how to combat???

<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #15 by lifeisyoga</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 04:39:34 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>DDT and malaria</strong></p><p>To be accurate, DDT doesn't really combat malaria, it combats the mosquitoes that transmit the malarial protozoan. &nbsp;DDT was so overused that &nbsp;DDT-resistance has developed in mosquito populations. People must apply more and more, plus it concentrates up the foodchain and degrades poorly. &nbsp;</p><p>
DDT and associated dioxins bioaccumulate in the fatty tissue of fish, birds, whales, humans. This is bad news. &nbsp;(Apparently Mr. Bailo forgets how American bald eagles and peregrine falcon populations barely returned from oblivion after DDT use was banned here.) &nbsp;</p><p>
Rachel Carson was a conservative worthy of the name; perhaps more of us should read Silent Spring before making glib comments.

<p>Stephen Brown 
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				<p><strong>DDT and malaria</strong></p><p>To be accurate, DDT doesn't really combat malaria, it combats the mosquitoes that transmit the malarial protozoan. &nbsp;DDT was so overused that &nbsp;DDT-resistance has developed in mosquito populations. People must apply more and more, plus it concentrates up the foodchain and degrades poorly. &nbsp;</p><p>
DDT and associated dioxins bioaccumulate in the fatty tissue of fish, birds, whales, humans. This is bad news. &nbsp;(Apparently Mr. Bailo forgets how American bald eagles and peregrine falcon populations barely returned from oblivion after DDT use was banned here.) &nbsp;</p><p>
Rachel Carson was a conservative worthy of the name; perhaps more of us should read Silent Spring before making glib comments.

<p>Stephen Brown 
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            <title>Comment #16 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 05:43:10 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The UN is not &quot;glib&quot;<p><br>
It's the UN that's reinstated DDT.<p>
Read the posts below.<p>
They cite "overwhelming scientific evidence" about the usefulness of DDT.

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				<p><strong>The UN is not &quot;glib&quot;<p><br>
It's the UN that's reinstated DDT.<p>
Read the posts below.<p>
They cite "overwhelming scientific evidence" about the usefulness of DDT.

<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #17 by MarkUK</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 06:11:42 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Old and tired<p>Let's see what the real story is with Rachel Carson:<p>
<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/05/rachel_carson_kills_babies_org.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/05/rachel_carson_kil ...<p>
<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/05/this_week_in_the_unending_war.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/05/this_week_in_the_ ...<p>
How low can you go?</p></a></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Old and tired<p>Let's see what the real story is with Rachel Carson:<p>
<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/05/rachel_carson_kills_babies_org.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/05/rachel_carson_kil ...<p>
<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/05/this_week_in_the_unending_war.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/05/this_week_in_the_ ...<p>
How low can you go?</p></a></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #18 by eriqa</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 07:11:52 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>MarkUK, thanks for the link</strong></p><p>I think it's worth reproducing here the excerpt from Rachel Carson's actual words (not a caricature or exaggeration) on DDT and malaria:</p><p>
"No responsible person contends that insect-borne disease should be ignored. The question that has now urgently presented itself is whether it is either wise or responsible to attack the problem by methods that are rapidly making it worse. The world has heard much of the triumphant war against disease through the control of insect vectors of infection, but it has heard little of the other side of the story - the defeats, the short-lived triumphs that now strongly support the alarming view that the insect enemy has been made actually stronger by our efforts. Even worse, we may have destroyed our very means of fighting. ...</p><p>
What is the measure of this setback? The list of resistant species now includes practically all of the insect groups of medical importance. ... Malaria programmes are threatened by resistance among mosquitoes. ...</p><p>
Practical advice should be 'Spray as little as you possibly can' rather than 'Spray to the limit of your capacity' ..., Pressure on the pest population should always be as slight as possible."</p><p>
Sounds like a very sensible Integrated Pest Management strategy to me, not a blanket disavowal of all DDT treatments. &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>MarkUK, thanks for the link</strong></p><p>I think it's worth reproducing here the excerpt from Rachel Carson's actual words (not a caricature or exaggeration) on DDT and malaria:</p><p>
"No responsible person contends that insect-borne disease should be ignored. The question that has now urgently presented itself is whether it is either wise or responsible to attack the problem by methods that are rapidly making it worse. The world has heard much of the triumphant war against disease through the control of insect vectors of infection, but it has heard little of the other side of the story - the defeats, the short-lived triumphs that now strongly support the alarming view that the insect enemy has been made actually stronger by our efforts. Even worse, we may have destroyed our very means of fighting. ...</p><p>
What is the measure of this setback? The list of resistant species now includes practically all of the insect groups of medical importance. ... Malaria programmes are threatened by resistance among mosquitoes. ...</p><p>
Practical advice should be 'Spray as little as you possibly can' rather than 'Spray to the limit of your capacity' ..., Pressure on the pest population should always be as slight as possible."</p><p>
Sounds like a very sensible Integrated Pest Management strategy to me, not a blanket disavowal of all DDT treatments. &nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #19 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 07:17:16 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Jabailo,<p>Can't quite put my finger on it but <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yjNyiohse" rel="nofollow">you remind me of someone. It is easy to skip past your usual boring prattle but sometimes you just sound so... ah, unintelligent. You were just handed all the links one could hope for to explain the DDT scenario and then you turn right around and post something like that. You are by definition, an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot" rel="nofollow">idiot.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></a></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Jabailo,<p>Can't quite put my finger on it but <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yjNyiohse" rel="nofollow">you remind me of someone. It is easy to skip past your usual boring prattle but sometimes you just sound so... ah, unintelligent. You were just handed all the links one could hope for to explain the DDT scenario and then you turn right around and post something like that. You are by definition, an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot" rel="nofollow">idiot.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></a></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #20 by natureguru</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 12:38:31 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The inmates are truly running the asylum now</strong></p><p>Don't tell me -- Republicans from Oklahoma pandering to the tobacco industry? Any other reason would be insane. I'm only relieved that Ms. Carson did not live long enough to see her name dragged across the coals. I loved her book, applaud her forward-thinking, solid science, and choose to ignore the tripe that's being spread by wingnuts like Bailey, et. al. No thinking person would give them a second thought.</p>
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				<p><strong>The inmates are truly running the asylum now</strong></p><p>Don't tell me -- Republicans from Oklahoma pandering to the tobacco industry? Any other reason would be insane. I'm only relieved that Ms. Carson did not live long enough to see her name dragged across the coals. I loved her book, applaud her forward-thinking, solid science, and choose to ignore the tripe that's being spread by wingnuts like Bailey, et. al. No thinking person would give them a second thought.</p>
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