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            <title>Comment #1 by Ron Steenblik</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 03:36:40 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Better than average, but ...</strong></p><p>They still barely talk about subsidies, except for the VEETC. Very little about all the money the states are throwing at the industry also.</p>
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				<p><strong>Better than average, but ...</strong></p><p>They still barely talk about subsidies, except for the VEETC. Very little about all the money the states are throwing at the industry also.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 03:47:16 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Excellent!</strong></p><p>Along with all the pronouncements about plugin hybrid rollouts, it's enough to temporarily eclipse hopelessness.</p><p>
Corpoate media turning on ethanol, amazing!

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Excellent!</strong></p><p>Along with all the pronouncements about plugin hybrid rollouts, it's enough to temporarily eclipse hopelessness.</p><p>
Corpoate media turning on ethanol, amazing!

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by DBLJ</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/more-msm-cheerleading/</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 05:24:01 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Lee Lynd</strong></p><p>I have had the pleasure of hearing Lee speak on a couple of occasions and it is always inspirational. &nbsp;</p><p>
the argument made by Harkin is bogus, while it does take some time (approximatley 2-3 years) for perennial plants to come into full production; corn stover, and expiring CRP acres are readily available to fill in the gap TEMPORARILY (for stover)</p><p>
The enzyme approach (sugar platform) is always touted as the way to proceed for cellulosic ethanol, and agian in this article it is protrayed as a "bonus" but I am not as convinced. &nbsp;</p><p>
The feeling I get is that the companies that are doing the R &amp; D of anzymes to break down the cellulosic material are in some way connected to the seed industry so that they can also design crops that work particularly well with thier enzyme thus having 2 revenue streams: selling enzymes to the processing facility and selling seeds to the farmers. &nbsp;Ideally the process would be feedstock neutral.</p><p>
At any rate we NEED cellulosic fuels; for many reasons but none as importnat as the potential benefits that could be seen in the agricultural industry.</p>
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				<p><strong>Lee Lynd</strong></p><p>I have had the pleasure of hearing Lee speak on a couple of occasions and it is always inspirational. &nbsp;</p><p>
the argument made by Harkin is bogus, while it does take some time (approximatley 2-3 years) for perennial plants to come into full production; corn stover, and expiring CRP acres are readily available to fill in the gap TEMPORARILY (for stover)</p><p>
The enzyme approach (sugar platform) is always touted as the way to proceed for cellulosic ethanol, and agian in this article it is protrayed as a "bonus" but I am not as convinced. &nbsp;</p><p>
The feeling I get is that the companies that are doing the R &amp; D of anzymes to break down the cellulosic material are in some way connected to the seed industry so that they can also design crops that work particularly well with thier enzyme thus having 2 revenue streams: selling enzymes to the processing facility and selling seeds to the farmers. &nbsp;Ideally the process would be feedstock neutral.</p><p>
At any rate we NEED cellulosic fuels; for many reasons but none as importnat as the potential benefits that could be seen in the agricultural industry.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by JMG</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/more-msm-cheerleading/</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:06:21 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>We need cellulosic fuels like addicts need more...</strong></p><p>of their junk.</p><p>
What we need is for people to pull thier heads out and realize that the AUTO AGE HAS TO END NOW IF THE PLANET IS TO SURVIVE.</p><p>
There's plenty of oil around for its rational use. &nbsp;Ethanol (and the ethanomaniacs pushing it) is/are nothing but fraudulent attempt to deny the reality of a limited planet.</p><p>
Regardless of the weaknesses in the USWR piece, that SOMEONE in the mainstream is sounding the cautionary note on ethanomania is to be celebrated.</p>
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				<p><strong>We need cellulosic fuels like addicts need more...</strong></p><p>of their junk.</p><p>
What we need is for people to pull thier heads out and realize that the AUTO AGE HAS TO END NOW IF THE PLANET IS TO SURVIVE.</p><p>
There's plenty of oil around for its rational use. &nbsp;Ethanol (and the ethanomaniacs pushing it) is/are nothing but fraudulent attempt to deny the reality of a limited planet.</p><p>
Regardless of the weaknesses in the USWR piece, that SOMEONE in the mainstream is sounding the cautionary note on ethanomania is to be celebrated.</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by spaceshaper</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:51:36 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>My name is George and I am a ...</strong></p><p>Despite The Decider's public confession on behalf of his decidees, it's not oil we're addicted to but cheap energy. Ethanol, liquid coal, hell we'd run our cars on pulverized baby lemurs if we could get 'em in sufficient quantities. Nice to see the MSM calling it on the panderers pushing phony "alternatives" to the hollow-eyed and soon-to-be-desperate. 

<p>The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>My name is George and I am a ...</strong></p><p>Despite The Decider's public confession on behalf of his decidees, it's not oil we're addicted to but cheap energy. Ethanol, liquid coal, hell we'd run our cars on pulverized baby lemurs if we could get 'em in sufficient quantities. Nice to see the MSM calling it on the panderers pushing phony "alternatives" to the hollow-eyed and soon-to-be-desperate. 

<p>The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit.</p></p>
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