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            <title>Comment #1 by JMG</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:54:59 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The decadence peaks, then the fall<p>The Portland Oregonian published a story on June 3 about "Globe Trotters," in its "Travel" section [no comment], plugging a travel agency that caters to the rich elites, including a special club for who want to run a marathon on all seven continents.<p>
<a href="http://www.marathontours.com/sevenclub.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.marathontours.com/sevenclub.shtml<p>
From the story (which I can't find on line): <p>
Kern spent 84 hours on airplanes, traversed twelve nations and managed to squeeze in a bit of sightseeing, such as Anne Frank's house in Amsterdam. &nbsp;The cost? &nbsp;About $15,000.<p>
"Life is short and what it cost is inconsequential," Kern says. &nbsp;"Ten years from now, I won't even notice what I spent. &nbsp;But 10 years from now, I'll still have the memory of this adventure." <p>
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Marathoners also tend to be upper middle class, which means they put dollar signs in the eyes of tourism officials. &nbsp;The average runner has a household income of about $95,000, has had at least four years of college, and has time to spend on his passion." <p>
...<p>
Now the company is booking 2009 Antarctica Marathon trips because 2008 is already sold out --- at a cost of about $6,000 a person. &nbsp;Gilligan is scouting Madagascar this summer for a future trip. &nbsp;He has to keep finding new destinations, he says, "because we have clients who have already been on all our trips."<p>
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Apparently all educated at colleges where ethics were not a big part of the curriculum.<br>


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				<p><strong>The decadence peaks, then the fall<p>The Portland Oregonian published a story on June 3 about "Globe Trotters," in its "Travel" section [no comment], plugging a travel agency that caters to the rich elites, including a special club for who want to run a marathon on all seven continents.<p>
<a href="http://www.marathontours.com/sevenclub.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.marathontours.com/sevenclub.shtml<p>
From the story (which I can't find on line): <p>
Kern spent 84 hours on airplanes, traversed twelve nations and managed to squeeze in a bit of sightseeing, such as Anne Frank's house in Amsterdam. &nbsp;The cost? &nbsp;About $15,000.<p>
"Life is short and what it cost is inconsequential," Kern says. &nbsp;"Ten years from now, I won't even notice what I spent. &nbsp;But 10 years from now, I'll still have the memory of this adventure." <p>
... <p>
Marathoners also tend to be upper middle class, which means they put dollar signs in the eyes of tourism officials. &nbsp;The average runner has a household income of about $95,000, has had at least four years of college, and has time to spend on his passion." <p>
...<p>
Now the company is booking 2009 Antarctica Marathon trips because 2008 is already sold out --- at a cost of about $6,000 a person. &nbsp;Gilligan is scouting Madagascar this summer for a future trip. &nbsp;He has to keep finding new destinations, he says, "because we have clients who have already been on all our trips."<p>
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Apparently all educated at colleges where ethics were not a big part of the curriculum.<br>


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            <title>Comment #2 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:50:41 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>nothing new<p>Actually, the Sunday New York Times Travel section, which is basically an advertising supplement for different sectors of the tourism industry, has for a long time introduced all those hip and fashionable travelers out there to new destinations, with hooks along the lines of, "Place X was wonderful ten years ago, but now it has been spoiled; but Place Y has only just been discovered, and that is where the cool people are going now." &nbsp;Or, worse, "Place Y was discovered only five years ago, but every year it is receiving more and more visitors; there is just a short time left before it is spoiled, so you will want to visit soon."<p>
Why, just this past Sunday, there was this obnoxious article on an Inca site in Peru similar to Machu Picchu, but not nearly so over-crowded and "spoiled":<p>
<a href="http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/travel/03inca.html?em&amp;ex=1181188800&amp;en=1e17dbac5b0273d3&amp;ei=5087%0A" rel="nofollow">http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/travel/03inca.html?e ...<p>
It is currently one of the most e-mailed of NYTimes articles, and so we may imagine that thousands of people have read it, and are already making travel plans.

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				<p><strong>nothing new<p>Actually, the Sunday New York Times Travel section, which is basically an advertising supplement for different sectors of the tourism industry, has for a long time introduced all those hip and fashionable travelers out there to new destinations, with hooks along the lines of, "Place X was wonderful ten years ago, but now it has been spoiled; but Place Y has only just been discovered, and that is where the cool people are going now." &nbsp;Or, worse, "Place Y was discovered only five years ago, but every year it is receiving more and more visitors; there is just a short time left before it is spoiled, so you will want to visit soon."<p>
Why, just this past Sunday, there was this obnoxious article on an Inca site in Peru similar to Machu Picchu, but not nearly so over-crowded and "spoiled":<p>
<a href="http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/travel/03inca.html?em&amp;ex=1181188800&amp;en=1e17dbac5b0273d3&amp;ei=5087%0A" rel="nofollow">http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/travel/03inca.html?e ...<p>
It is currently one of the most e-mailed of NYTimes articles, and so we may imagine that thousands of people have read it, and are already making travel plans.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Whiskerfish</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:17:52 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>UK media</strong></p><p>I remember seeing an article on this subject some ? 6 &nbsp;months ago on ? The Guardian UK website on a slew of 'boutique' British travel agencies who were hooking themselves on to the 'last chance to see' schpiel.</p><p>
They all had a bunch of somewhat creative but equally bogus reasons for justifying what they did.</p><p>
I've also come across a rash of articles lately on the economic advantages of birding, particularly 'twitching' which encourages zillions of birders to charge around the world madly looking for rare or lost 'out of range' birds. Twitchers supposedly pump millions into rural economies etc., but I've never seen the cost of this increasingly mainstream pastime-for-the-rich in terms of carbon emissions.</p><p>
As a confirmed birding addict - though not a long-range twitcher - it amazes me how 'people who love nature' (birds) can be so blind to their impacts...</p><p>
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				<p><strong>UK media</strong></p><p>I remember seeing an article on this subject some ? 6 &nbsp;months ago on ? The Guardian UK website on a slew of 'boutique' British travel agencies who were hooking themselves on to the 'last chance to see' schpiel.</p><p>
They all had a bunch of somewhat creative but equally bogus reasons for justifying what they did.</p><p>
I've also come across a rash of articles lately on the economic advantages of birding, particularly 'twitching' which encourages zillions of birders to charge around the world madly looking for rare or lost 'out of range' birds. Twitchers supposedly pump millions into rural economies etc., but I've never seen the cost of this increasingly mainstream pastime-for-the-rich in terms of carbon emissions.</p><p>
As a confirmed birding addict - though not a long-range twitcher - it amazes me how 'people who love nature' (birds) can be so blind to their impacts...</p><p>
Whiskerfish</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:39:46 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>the mystery of preciousness</strong></p><p>And the unspeakably savage covetousness that attends it: It is something that Sauron knew, then Smeagol/Gollum, then, sadly, if briefly, Bilbo and Frodo.</p><p>
Thanks, Whiskerfish, for bringing up the preciousness of rare birds. &nbsp;If going after the few remaining ones is an ethical problem for birders, my dread -- cynic that I am! -- is that there are collectors out there too, whose activities are even more horrible to consider.</p><p>
That is why, early last year, after some apparently reliable reports came in from eastern Arkansas that an Ivory-billed Woodpecker had been spotted, I was very fearful that we would soon be hearing of operations thereabouts by the agents of self-interested (but pointlessly so!) collectors.</p><p>
We are already beginning to resemble Philip K. Dick's dystopia, described in "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?," a world with very few surviving animals, such that living animals are objects of desire, the preserve of the wealthy few, and inspirers of criminal activity; and most people, whose hearts were broken when the animals died, have to find consolation with "electric sheep," and other artificial substitutes. &nbsp;(This is the moral heart of the story, which was elided when it was transformed into the quite different movie "Blade Runner.")</p><p>
I am sure you know a great deal about a somewhat analogous situation in Africa, though not with birds: the recently announced discovery of a considerable population of elephants, in southern Sudan, on an island where the White Nile breaks into countless channels. &nbsp;The scientists who made the discovery have apparently kept the location of the island a secret, fearing what need not be said: that if its location became known, poachers seeking ivory would quickly arrive, and the elephants would be doomed.

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Enough is enough!
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				<p><strong>the mystery of preciousness</strong></p><p>And the unspeakably savage covetousness that attends it: It is something that Sauron knew, then Smeagol/Gollum, then, sadly, if briefly, Bilbo and Frodo.</p><p>
Thanks, Whiskerfish, for bringing up the preciousness of rare birds. &nbsp;If going after the few remaining ones is an ethical problem for birders, my dread -- cynic that I am! -- is that there are collectors out there too, whose activities are even more horrible to consider.</p><p>
That is why, early last year, after some apparently reliable reports came in from eastern Arkansas that an Ivory-billed Woodpecker had been spotted, I was very fearful that we would soon be hearing of operations thereabouts by the agents of self-interested (but pointlessly so!) collectors.</p><p>
We are already beginning to resemble Philip K. Dick's dystopia, described in "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?," a world with very few surviving animals, such that living animals are objects of desire, the preserve of the wealthy few, and inspirers of criminal activity; and most people, whose hearts were broken when the animals died, have to find consolation with "electric sheep," and other artificial substitutes. &nbsp;(This is the moral heart of the story, which was elided when it was transformed into the quite different movie "Blade Runner.")</p><p>
I am sure you know a great deal about a somewhat analogous situation in Africa, though not with birds: the recently announced discovery of a considerable population of elephants, in southern Sudan, on an island where the White Nile breaks into countless channels. &nbsp;The scientists who made the discovery have apparently kept the location of the island a secret, fearing what need not be said: that if its location became known, poachers seeking ivory would quickly arrive, and the elephants would be doomed.

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Enough is enough!
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            <title>Comment #5 by BiggusCattus</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 01:03:52 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The Change to the Resource Economy</strong></p><p>I found this article refreshing because it demonstrates exactly what the issue is - when resources become scarce, humans use them up, faster than ever. &nbsp;It illustrates that many rhetorical buzzwords of the green movement - conserve, save, protect - mean nothing in the face of diminishing resources. &nbsp;People simply will not do these things.</p>
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				<p><strong>The Change to the Resource Economy</strong></p><p>I found this article refreshing because it demonstrates exactly what the issue is - when resources become scarce, humans use them up, faster than ever. &nbsp;It illustrates that many rhetorical buzzwords of the green movement - conserve, save, protect - mean nothing in the face of diminishing resources. &nbsp;People simply will not do these things.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Whiskerfish</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 01:15:44 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Bladerunner</strong></p><p>did contain a cloned owl.</p><p>
I watched it again recently and was completely blown away by how prescient its depictions of large cities &nbsp;were - there is so much in that film that could come straight out of any megalopolis in East Asia right now. It's really hard to believe that it was made so long ago.</p><p>
I keep the nest locations of the birds of prey I work on a closely-guarded secret. There are too many folks here in Cape Town that will steal eggs and chicks to keep for themselves as trophies or sell on to the Middle East where birds of prey are prized trinkets of the mega-wealthy.</p><p>
A couple of years ago a well-known Japanese botanist was bust smuggling rare succulents from the desert near here. His fine was about US$50 000 - a mind-boggling sum in SA that made headlines (the conservation community FINALLY got a judge that took plant smuggling seriously!), but he paid it without blinking as he'd already made millions off his previous trips to this country. He still has his professorship in Japan.</p><p>
Rare animals and 'untouched' wilderness really are becoming valuable possessions.</p><p>
Whiskerfish</p>
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				<p><strong>Bladerunner</strong></p><p>did contain a cloned owl.</p><p>
I watched it again recently and was completely blown away by how prescient its depictions of large cities &nbsp;were - there is so much in that film that could come straight out of any megalopolis in East Asia right now. It's really hard to believe that it was made so long ago.</p><p>
I keep the nest locations of the birds of prey I work on a closely-guarded secret. There are too many folks here in Cape Town that will steal eggs and chicks to keep for themselves as trophies or sell on to the Middle East where birds of prey are prized trinkets of the mega-wealthy.</p><p>
A couple of years ago a well-known Japanese botanist was bust smuggling rare succulents from the desert near here. His fine was about US$50 000 - a mind-boggling sum in SA that made headlines (the conservation community FINALLY got a judge that took plant smuggling seriously!), but he paid it without blinking as he'd already made millions off his previous trips to this country. He still has his professorship in Japan.</p><p>
Rare animals and 'untouched' wilderness really are becoming valuable possessions.</p><p>
Whiskerfish</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Karen Lee Orr</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:33:13 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>&quot;The Freshman&quot; - 1990<p>Matthew Broderick plays Clark Kellog, a naif fresh from Vermont to attend film school at NYU. &nbsp;Marlon Brando, doing a take on his "The Godfather" role, plays Carmen ("Jimmy the Toucan") Sabatini.<p>
Clark Kellog is hired to convey illegally imported endangered species by Sabatini in order to provide million-dollar-a-plate dinners for a bunch of international degenerates who revel in eating endangered animals. <p>
It's a farce that features the sorts of people who've been discussed here.<p>
For more about the movie<br>
<a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099615/" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099615/</a></br></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>&quot;The Freshman&quot; - 1990<p>Matthew Broderick plays Clark Kellog, a naif fresh from Vermont to attend film school at NYU. &nbsp;Marlon Brando, doing a take on his "The Godfather" role, plays Carmen ("Jimmy the Toucan") Sabatini.<p>
Clark Kellog is hired to convey illegally imported endangered species by Sabatini in order to provide million-dollar-a-plate dinners for a bunch of international degenerates who revel in eating endangered animals. <p>
It's a farce that features the sorts of people who've been discussed here.<p>
For more about the movie<br>
<a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099615/" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099615/</a></br></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by JMG</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:05:31 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The Late Helen Chenowith (R-ID) ...</strong></p><p>... is reported to have hosted "Endangered Species" fundraisers where the menu consisted of as many threatened species as possible.

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				<p><strong>The Late Helen Chenowith (R-ID) ...</strong></p><p>... is reported to have hosted "Endangered Species" fundraisers where the menu consisted of as many threatened species as possible.

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            <title>Comment #9 by Whiskerfish</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:49:40 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>is that true?</strong></p><p>Chenowith - needs to be followed up. What an amazing story!</p><p>
Whiskerfish</p>
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				<p><strong>is that true?</strong></p><p>Chenowith - needs to be followed up. What an amazing story!</p><p>
Whiskerfish</p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by Karen Lee Orr</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:47:53 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Chenoweth and the Endangered Salmon Bake<p>These items appeared during a brief internet search for &nbsp;information on Helen Chenoweth and the endangered &nbsp;species dinners.<br>
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Representative Helen Chenoweth, who famously hosted an endangered-sockeye-salmon bake in her district and once donned a T-shirt that read "Earth First!" on the front and "We'll log the other planets later" on the back.<p>
Outside Magazine<br>
<a href="http://outside.away.com/outside/magazine/0998/9809disppolitics.html" rel="nofollow">http://outside.away.com/outside/magazine/0998/9809disppol ...<p>
Among the most memorable moments in her wretched fanatical career: she famously groused that "It's the white Anglo-Saxon male that's endangered," making her point by serving endangered species of salmon for dinner. She wasn't exactly a conservationist, calling environmentalists "Marxists." And she was calling for selling off the National Parks even before Dirty Dick Pombo. As far as I know, she was the first congressperson to complain about mysterious black government helicopters bothering people.<p>
Down With Tyranny blog<br>
<a href="http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2006/10/helen-chenoweth-is-dead.html" rel="nofollow">http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2006/10/helen-chenowe ...<p>
She ran for Congress against incumbent Democrat Larry LaRocco and gained national attention when she held "endangered salmon bakes," serving canned salmon and ridiculing the listing of Idaho salmon as an endangered species during fundraisers.<p>
Spokesman Review<br>
<a href="http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=7556" rel="nofollow">http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=7556 ...<br>
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				<p><strong>Chenoweth and the Endangered Salmon Bake<p>These items appeared during a brief internet search for &nbsp;information on Helen Chenoweth and the endangered &nbsp;species dinners.<br>
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Representative Helen Chenoweth, who famously hosted an endangered-sockeye-salmon bake in her district and once donned a T-shirt that read "Earth First!" on the front and "We'll log the other planets later" on the back.<p>
Outside Magazine<br>
<a href="http://outside.away.com/outside/magazine/0998/9809disppolitics.html" rel="nofollow">http://outside.away.com/outside/magazine/0998/9809disppol ...<p>
Among the most memorable moments in her wretched fanatical career: she famously groused that "It's the white Anglo-Saxon male that's endangered," making her point by serving endangered species of salmon for dinner. She wasn't exactly a conservationist, calling environmentalists "Marxists." And she was calling for selling off the National Parks even before Dirty Dick Pombo. As far as I know, she was the first congressperson to complain about mysterious black government helicopters bothering people.<p>
Down With Tyranny blog<br>
<a href="http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2006/10/helen-chenoweth-is-dead.html" rel="nofollow">http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2006/10/helen-chenowe ...<p>
She ran for Congress against incumbent Democrat Larry LaRocco and gained national attention when she held "endangered salmon bakes," serving canned salmon and ridiculing the listing of Idaho salmon as an endangered species during fundraisers.<p>
Spokesman Review<br>
<a href="http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=7556" rel="nofollow">http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=7556 ...<br>
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            <title>Comment #11 by chupacabra</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 01:07:44 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I agree, but...</strong></p><p>...Tibet is not a country, it's an area of China.</p>
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				<p><strong>I agree, but...</strong></p><p>...Tibet is not a country, it's an area of China.</p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 06:59:19 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>&quot;The Freshman&quot;</strong></p><p>Thanks, Karen, I had forgotten about that remarkable little movie, which we saw a couple of years ago. &nbsp;It was probably not seen by many people actually; and I wonder how those who did see it interpreted the criminal trade in rare exotic animals for the purpose of serving them for food to wealthy clients. &nbsp;That decadent, over-the-top kind of evil would seem more at home in a James Bond movie than in one about the Mafia.</p><p>
And thanks for the research on Helen Chenoweth, hardly a household name in this part of the country.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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				<p><strong>&quot;The Freshman&quot;</strong></p><p>Thanks, Karen, I had forgotten about that remarkable little movie, which we saw a couple of years ago. &nbsp;It was probably not seen by many people actually; and I wonder how those who did see it interpreted the criminal trade in rare exotic animals for the purpose of serving them for food to wealthy clients. &nbsp;That decadent, over-the-top kind of evil would seem more at home in a James Bond movie than in one about the Mafia.</p><p>
And thanks for the research on Helen Chenoweth, hardly a household name in this part of the country.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #13 by red black and green</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:10:07 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I do LOVE a good Nation cruise!!!</strong></p><p>

<p>the only solution to pollution is revolution</p></p>
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				<p><strong>I do LOVE a good Nation cruise!!!</strong></p><p>

<p>the only solution to pollution is revolution</p></p>
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