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            <title>Comment #1 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:54:52 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Not again....<p>Feeding that crap to cows is called an "energy credit." Without it, the spreadsheets may show it uses more energy than it produces ...again.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Not again....<p>Feeding that crap to cows is called an "energy credit." Without it, the spreadsheets may show it uses more energy than it produces ...again.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by GreenEngineer</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:08:43 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>low pH</strong></p><p>Low pH may be to blame. During ethanol production, corn goes through a fermentation process that converts starch to dextrose. Cattle fed diets containing low levels of starch experience a decreased intestinal pH. Low pH may affect the survivability and growth of E. coli O157:H7, as most bacteria are killed by acids produced in the stomachs of bovines.</p><p>
Last time I checked, pH below 7 was acidic, so this statement doesn't make a whole lot of sense.</p>
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				<p><strong>low pH</strong></p><p>Low pH may be to blame. During ethanol production, corn goes through a fermentation process that converts starch to dextrose. Cattle fed diets containing low levels of starch experience a decreased intestinal pH. Low pH may affect the survivability and growth of E. coli O157:H7, as most bacteria are killed by acids produced in the stomachs of bovines.</p><p>
Last time I checked, pH below 7 was acidic, so this statement doesn't make a whole lot of sense.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by stberhard</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:45:29 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>low pH, chlorine dioxide</strong></p><p>It's funny how one bad fact makes you question the logic used in the entire article... the human stomach has a very acidic pH; low pH retards microbial growth but it does not kill most microbes. &nbsp; Cows obviously have a different digestive system than humans and I'm not an expert on bovine digestive processes. </p><p>
Ethanol producers use antibiotics to control the growth of wild strains in the yeast... that grain is not to be allowed in the food supply due to antibiotic &nbsp;content, just like milk from cows that have recently been given antibiotics is not allowed to be in the food supply. &nbsp;All milk is tested for antibiotic content prior to being pumped from the farm tanker into the silo at the processing plant.</p><p>
Chlorine dioxide is an acceptable treatment; the molecule is approved organic, is effective at low usage levels, controls the wild strains with little damage to the fermenting yeast and breaks down into two salts. &nbsp;</p><p>
Much of the meat industry and the USDA still do not have the consumer's best interests in mind when they come to work every day. &nbsp;Regulations are antiquated, sporadically enforced, with minimal oversight. &nbsp;It's a tough industry driven by an overwhelming demand for low cost product... </p>
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				<p><strong>low pH, chlorine dioxide</strong></p><p>It's funny how one bad fact makes you question the logic used in the entire article... the human stomach has a very acidic pH; low pH retards microbial growth but it does not kill most microbes. &nbsp; Cows obviously have a different digestive system than humans and I'm not an expert on bovine digestive processes. </p><p>
Ethanol producers use antibiotics to control the growth of wild strains in the yeast... that grain is not to be allowed in the food supply due to antibiotic &nbsp;content, just like milk from cows that have recently been given antibiotics is not allowed to be in the food supply. &nbsp;All milk is tested for antibiotic content prior to being pumped from the farm tanker into the silo at the processing plant.</p><p>
Chlorine dioxide is an acceptable treatment; the molecule is approved organic, is effective at low usage levels, controls the wild strains with little damage to the fermenting yeast and breaks down into two salts. &nbsp;</p><p>
Much of the meat industry and the USDA still do not have the consumer's best interests in mind when they come to work every day. &nbsp;Regulations are antiquated, sporadically enforced, with minimal oversight. &nbsp;It's a tough industry driven by an overwhelming demand for low cost product... </p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Tom Philpott</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:29:17 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>My science is admitedly shaky....<p>.. and I'm trying to figure out why the bit above about Ph counts as a "bad fact."<p>
In the post, I quote the law firm thusly:<p>
Low pH may be to blame. During ethanol production, corn goes through a fermentation process that converts starch to dextrose. Cattle fed diets containing low levels of starch experience a decreased intestinal pH. Low pH may affect the survivability and growth of E. coli O157:H7, as most bacteria are killed by acids produced in the stomachs of bovines.<p>
Here's how I understand the problem. Humans tend to have acid intestinal environs, while (grass-eating) cows tend toward basic. Thus bacteria that thrive in cow's guts get killed by our higher-acide systems. When cows eat corn and corn byproducts, their guts acidify (ie, the Ph lowers). The bacteria that evolve to survive this new environment are hardier than the old ones; and at least one, E. coli O157:H7, survives our systems and causes trouble. And that understanding seems consistent with the paragraph above. No?

<p><a href="http://www.grist.org/topic/Victual_Reality" rel="nofollow">Victual Reality</a></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>My science is admitedly shaky....<p>.. and I'm trying to figure out why the bit above about Ph counts as a "bad fact."<p>
In the post, I quote the law firm thusly:<p>
Low pH may be to blame. During ethanol production, corn goes through a fermentation process that converts starch to dextrose. Cattle fed diets containing low levels of starch experience a decreased intestinal pH. Low pH may affect the survivability and growth of E. coli O157:H7, as most bacteria are killed by acids produced in the stomachs of bovines.<p>
Here's how I understand the problem. Humans tend to have acid intestinal environs, while (grass-eating) cows tend toward basic. Thus bacteria that thrive in cow's guts get killed by our higher-acide systems. When cows eat corn and corn byproducts, their guts acidify (ie, the Ph lowers). The bacteria that evolve to survive this new environment are hardier than the old ones; and at least one, E. coli O157:H7, survives our systems and causes trouble. And that understanding seems consistent with the paragraph above. No?

<p><a href="http://www.grist.org/topic/Victual_Reality" rel="nofollow">Victual Reality</a></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by stberhard</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:15:04 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Bovine digestion, always interesting</strong></p><p>Cows have varying pH points in their digestive system. &nbsp;Depending on where you are at in the process, the pH can range from near neutral to as acidic as that in a human. &nbsp;E. coli and other organisms have developed tolerance for low pH, some are killed by low pH, other organisms go dormant. &nbsp;</p><p>
E. Coli isn't really any different in a cow's stomach than in a human stomach. &nbsp;And they seem to do just fine in either environment. &nbsp;Bacteria are highly developed and adaptive, some strains are hardier than others. &nbsp;That's why selective biocides like chlorine dioxide and antibiotics are used successfully, they kill the organisms that are not as hardy and (hopefully) leave the hardier, beneficial ones behind.</p><p>
I've a fair amount of experience with chlorine dioxide; I say feed the cows water treated with ClO2. &nbsp;At appropriate levels it would control the E. Coli while leaving the digestive (hardier) bacteria alone. &nbsp;</p><p>
From the University of Florida:</p><p>
STARTING THE DIGESTIVE PROCESS<br>
Chewing is the first step in processing the feed. This is no small task as the cow makes 40,000 to 60,000 jaw movements per day as it chews and rechews regurgitated feed. Then it passes down a 2 1/2 to 3 foot tube called the esophagus into a large fermentation vat of 40 to 50 gallon capacity. Here digestion of feed goes on by 500,000 billion bacteria and 50 billion protozoa living and multiplying there. These small organisms have several unique characteristics which allow the cow to thrive in situations which would be impossible for other animals to live. They digest fiber found in hay, silage, and pasture for energy, make protein from nitrogen, and synthesize B vitamins for their host, the cow.</p><p>
FORESTOMACH (RETICULORMEN)<br>
This fermentation vat is composed of two areas called the reticulum and the rumen. The reticulum has a distinctive "honeycomb" appearance. It aids to help bring boluses of feed back up to the mouth for rechewing. It also serves as a receptacle for heavy foreign objects that she eats. A condition known as "Hardware Disease" may occur if a metal object such as wire or a nail is swallowed and punctures the reticulum wall. This condition may prove lethal for two reasons. First, the bacteria and protozoa can contaminate the body cavity resulting in peritonitis and second, the heart and diaphragm may be punctured by the object causing failure of these tissues.</p><p>
The rumen is, by far, the largest compartment. Its purpose is to store large quantities of feed, keep the feed mixing by strong contractions, and to provide a suitable environment for the bacteria and protozoa to live. This environment is kept agreeable to the microorganisms by maintaining a relatively constant temperature and pH and by removing many of their waste products. Most of the waste products are volatile fatty acids. These volatile fatty acids are the primary sources of energy for the cow. They are absorbed by thousands of "finger-like" projections lining the bottom and sides of the rumen wall. These can be 1/2 inch long and they increase the surface area of the rumen so as to increase her ability to absorb volatile fatty acids.</p><p>
OMASUM<br>
Once the feed has been reduced in size by chewing and digestion by the bacteria and protozoa, it can pass into a third compartment called the omasum. This area has been nicknamed the "many-plies" due to its unique structure. It has the appearance of an open book with three sides bound. The tissues within are likened to the pages of a book and are called leaves. Up to 100 leaves can be found in the omasum. These leaves have small papillae on them which absorb a large portion of the volatile fatty acids that were not absorbed through the rumen wall. Water and electrolytes such as potassium and sodium are likely absorbed here as well thus drying out the feedstuffs before they enter the next compartment.</p><p>
ABOMASUM<br>
This fourth and last compartment which make up the cow's stomach is the abomasum or "true" stomach as it is called because it functions in a very similar way to the stomach of a man or pig. As in the omasum, the abomasum contains many folds to increase its surface area. These leaves enable the abomasum to be in contact with the large amounts of feed passing through it daily. The walls of the abomasum secrete enzymes and hydrochloric acid. The pH of the digesta coming into the abomasum is around 6.0 but is quickly lowered to about 2.5 by the acid. This creates a proper environment for the enzymes to function. The chief digestive function of the abomasum is the partial breakdown of proteins. The enzyme pepsin is responsible for this. Proteins from the feed and the microorganisms coming from the rumen are broken down to smaller units called peptides before leaving.</p><p>
SMALL INTESTINE<br>
The next stop in the digestive process is the small intestine, a 130 foot-long, 2 inch-wide tube. As the feed enters the small intestine, it mixes with secretions from the pancreas and liver which elevate the pH of the digesta from 2.5 to between 7 and 8. This higher pH is necessary for enzymes in the small intestine to work. In order for feedstuffs to become available to the cow, they must be broken down into smaller molecules. These enzymes do just that by reducing any remaining proteins to amino acids, starch to glucose, and complex fats into fatty acids. Much of that occurs in the small intestine using enzymes and hormones from the pancreas, liver, and small intestine. Absorption of these nutrients also occur in the lower half of the small intestine. The intestinal wall contains numerous "finger-like" projections called villi that increase the surface area of the intestine to aid in the absorption process. Muscular contractions aid in mixing the digesta and moving it down to the next section.</p><p>
LARGE INTESTINE<br>
The cecum, colon, and rectum make up the rest of the digestive tract. They are collectively referred to as the large intestine. Its primary purpose is to absorb water from the digesta thus making it more solid. Bacteria living in the intestine work at digesting any feedstuffs which escaped digestion earlier. Usually this contributes less than 15% of the total digestion. Between these bacteria and those which passed out of the rumen, up to 50% of the dry weight of the feces can be of microbial origin.</p><p>
CALF DIGESTIVE TRACT DEVELOPMENT<br>
The digestive tracts of calves are more like humans than cows. They have no functioning rumen with bacteria and protozoa working for her. In a young calf (1 month or less), the abomasum is the largest compartment of the stomach. It makes up approximately 50 to 70% of the total stomach area. When the calf suckles from the dam or a bottle, the milk bypasses the reticulorumen by going through the esophageal groove. During the suckling process, impulses from the brain send messages to the esophageal groove, causing the sides of the groove to curve upward forming a tube. This allows a direct flow of milk into the abomasum. At this point, the enzyme rennin is secreted from the walls of the abomasum, causing the milk to coagulate or curdle. This slows the passage of milk through the abomasum to allow ample time for the milk to be digested. As the calf gets older and starts to consume grain and hay, the rumen begins to develop. This growth is due to the volatile fatty acids produced by the digestive action of microorganisms in the rumen. This also stimulates the growth of the papillae which are developing. By the end of the fourth week, the calf should be able to utilize grain and quality hay to a large extent. At eight weeks of age, the abomasum comprises only 30% of the total capacity of the stomach, and only 9% when the stomach reaches full mature size.</br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Bovine digestion, always interesting</strong></p><p>Cows have varying pH points in their digestive system. &nbsp;Depending on where you are at in the process, the pH can range from near neutral to as acidic as that in a human. &nbsp;E. coli and other organisms have developed tolerance for low pH, some are killed by low pH, other organisms go dormant. &nbsp;</p><p>
E. Coli isn't really any different in a cow's stomach than in a human stomach. &nbsp;And they seem to do just fine in either environment. &nbsp;Bacteria are highly developed and adaptive, some strains are hardier than others. &nbsp;That's why selective biocides like chlorine dioxide and antibiotics are used successfully, they kill the organisms that are not as hardy and (hopefully) leave the hardier, beneficial ones behind.</p><p>
I've a fair amount of experience with chlorine dioxide; I say feed the cows water treated with ClO2. &nbsp;At appropriate levels it would control the E. Coli while leaving the digestive (hardier) bacteria alone. &nbsp;</p><p>
From the University of Florida:</p><p>
STARTING THE DIGESTIVE PROCESS<br>
Chewing is the first step in processing the feed. This is no small task as the cow makes 40,000 to 60,000 jaw movements per day as it chews and rechews regurgitated feed. Then it passes down a 2 1/2 to 3 foot tube called the esophagus into a large fermentation vat of 40 to 50 gallon capacity. Here digestion of feed goes on by 500,000 billion bacteria and 50 billion protozoa living and multiplying there. These small organisms have several unique characteristics which allow the cow to thrive in situations which would be impossible for other animals to live. They digest fiber found in hay, silage, and pasture for energy, make protein from nitrogen, and synthesize B vitamins for their host, the cow.</p><p>
FORESTOMACH (RETICULORMEN)<br>
This fermentation vat is composed of two areas called the reticulum and the rumen. The reticulum has a distinctive "honeycomb" appearance. It aids to help bring boluses of feed back up to the mouth for rechewing. It also serves as a receptacle for heavy foreign objects that she eats. A condition known as "Hardware Disease" may occur if a metal object such as wire or a nail is swallowed and punctures the reticulum wall. This condition may prove lethal for two reasons. First, the bacteria and protozoa can contaminate the body cavity resulting in peritonitis and second, the heart and diaphragm may be punctured by the object causing failure of these tissues.</p><p>
The rumen is, by far, the largest compartment. Its purpose is to store large quantities of feed, keep the feed mixing by strong contractions, and to provide a suitable environment for the bacteria and protozoa to live. This environment is kept agreeable to the microorganisms by maintaining a relatively constant temperature and pH and by removing many of their waste products. Most of the waste products are volatile fatty acids. These volatile fatty acids are the primary sources of energy for the cow. They are absorbed by thousands of "finger-like" projections lining the bottom and sides of the rumen wall. These can be 1/2 inch long and they increase the surface area of the rumen so as to increase her ability to absorb volatile fatty acids.</p><p>
OMASUM<br>
Once the feed has been reduced in size by chewing and digestion by the bacteria and protozoa, it can pass into a third compartment called the omasum. This area has been nicknamed the "many-plies" due to its unique structure. It has the appearance of an open book with three sides bound. The tissues within are likened to the pages of a book and are called leaves. Up to 100 leaves can be found in the omasum. These leaves have small papillae on them which absorb a large portion of the volatile fatty acids that were not absorbed through the rumen wall. Water and electrolytes such as potassium and sodium are likely absorbed here as well thus drying out the feedstuffs before they enter the next compartment.</p><p>
ABOMASUM<br>
This fourth and last compartment which make up the cow's stomach is the abomasum or "true" stomach as it is called because it functions in a very similar way to the stomach of a man or pig. As in the omasum, the abomasum contains many folds to increase its surface area. These leaves enable the abomasum to be in contact with the large amounts of feed passing through it daily. The walls of the abomasum secrete enzymes and hydrochloric acid. The pH of the digesta coming into the abomasum is around 6.0 but is quickly lowered to about 2.5 by the acid. This creates a proper environment for the enzymes to function. The chief digestive function of the abomasum is the partial breakdown of proteins. The enzyme pepsin is responsible for this. Proteins from the feed and the microorganisms coming from the rumen are broken down to smaller units called peptides before leaving.</p><p>
SMALL INTESTINE<br>
The next stop in the digestive process is the small intestine, a 130 foot-long, 2 inch-wide tube. As the feed enters the small intestine, it mixes with secretions from the pancreas and liver which elevate the pH of the digesta from 2.5 to between 7 and 8. This higher pH is necessary for enzymes in the small intestine to work. In order for feedstuffs to become available to the cow, they must be broken down into smaller molecules. These enzymes do just that by reducing any remaining proteins to amino acids, starch to glucose, and complex fats into fatty acids. Much of that occurs in the small intestine using enzymes and hormones from the pancreas, liver, and small intestine. Absorption of these nutrients also occur in the lower half of the small intestine. The intestinal wall contains numerous "finger-like" projections called villi that increase the surface area of the intestine to aid in the absorption process. Muscular contractions aid in mixing the digesta and moving it down to the next section.</p><p>
LARGE INTESTINE<br>
The cecum, colon, and rectum make up the rest of the digestive tract. They are collectively referred to as the large intestine. Its primary purpose is to absorb water from the digesta thus making it more solid. Bacteria living in the intestine work at digesting any feedstuffs which escaped digestion earlier. Usually this contributes less than 15% of the total digestion. Between these bacteria and those which passed out of the rumen, up to 50% of the dry weight of the feces can be of microbial origin.</p><p>
CALF DIGESTIVE TRACT DEVELOPMENT<br>
The digestive tracts of calves are more like humans than cows. They have no functioning rumen with bacteria and protozoa working for her. In a young calf (1 month or less), the abomasum is the largest compartment of the stomach. It makes up approximately 50 to 70% of the total stomach area. When the calf suckles from the dam or a bottle, the milk bypasses the reticulorumen by going through the esophageal groove. During the suckling process, impulses from the brain send messages to the esophageal groove, causing the sides of the groove to curve upward forming a tube. This allows a direct flow of milk into the abomasum. At this point, the enzyme rennin is secreted from the walls of the abomasum, causing the milk to coagulate or curdle. This slows the passage of milk through the abomasum to allow ample time for the milk to be digested. As the calf gets older and starts to consume grain and hay, the rumen begins to develop. This growth is due to the volatile fatty acids produced by the digestive action of microorganisms in the rumen. This also stimulates the growth of the papillae which are developing. By the end of the fourth week, the calf should be able to utilize grain and quality hay to a large extent. At eight weeks of age, the abomasum comprises only 30% of the total capacity of the stomach, and only 9% when the stomach reaches full mature size.</br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p>
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