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            <title>Comment #1 by WesleyJoseph</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 16:24:01 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Wayyy behind the curve...</strong></p><p>Let's be honest here, this man, John McCain, is not serious about the environment, climate change, or a modern energy infrastructural change that is badly needed.</p>
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				<p><strong>Wayyy behind the curve...</strong></p><p>Let's be honest here, this man, John McCain, is not serious about the environment, climate change, or a modern energy infrastructural change that is badly needed.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by hapa</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 18:22:49 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>let him talk</strong></p><p>to prove it was safe for pedestrians, he marched through the streets of baghdad in full jacket, protected by soldiers and helicopter gunships. now he will present his climate plan that proves only mild corrections are needed to deal with emissions and consequences. good for him, he wows the crowd.</p><p>
8 million households use heating oil. the last winter put most of them on the edge of their money and oil prices might double by the end of the year. there's no way those people can go green before then with the money they have, or by other means.</p><p>
li'l help, senator?

<p>economy's wrecked, climate's melting, oil's scarce, green's the way out.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>let him talk</strong></p><p>to prove it was safe for pedestrians, he marched through the streets of baghdad in full jacket, protected by soldiers and helicopter gunships. now he will present his climate plan that proves only mild corrections are needed to deal with emissions and consequences. good for him, he wows the crowd.</p><p>
8 million households use heating oil. the last winter put most of them on the edge of their money and oil prices might double by the end of the year. there's no way those people can go green before then with the money they have, or by other means.</p><p>
li'l help, senator?

<p>economy's wrecked, climate's melting, oil's scarce, green's the way out.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 22:07:54 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>As mentioned previously<p>McCain's RNC chairman just quit due to corruption ties.<br>
<a href="http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/president/18831259.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/president/18 ...<p>
He also happens the top executive of the DCI group.<br>
<a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tech_Central_Station#History" rel="nofollow">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tech_Central_S ...<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at0T7Fi5l_I" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at0T7Fi5l_I<br>
ExxonMobil's Lobbying firm<br>
<a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ExxonMobil#Lobbying" rel="nofollow">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ExxonMobil#Lob ...<br>
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And is tied to fake-grassroots spin doctoring for RJ Reynolds Tobacco.<br>
<a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Ramhurst" rel="nofollow">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Ramhurst<br>
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Even if McCain offered the best climate plan ever, I wouldn't hope for 2 seconds that he'd actually implement it.<br>
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They are after-all, only campaign promises.</br></br></br></br></a></br></br></br></a></br></br></a></br></a></br></p></a></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>As mentioned previously<p>McCain's RNC chairman just quit due to corruption ties.<br>
<a href="http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/president/18831259.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/president/18 ...<p>
He also happens the top executive of the DCI group.<br>
<a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tech_Central_Station#History" rel="nofollow">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tech_Central_S ...<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at0T7Fi5l_I" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at0T7Fi5l_I<br>
ExxonMobil's Lobbying firm<br>
<a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ExxonMobil#Lobbying" rel="nofollow">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ExxonMobil#Lob ...<br>
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And is tied to fake-grassroots spin doctoring for RJ Reynolds Tobacco.<br>
<a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Ramhurst" rel="nofollow">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Ramhurst<br>
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Even if McCain offered the best climate plan ever, I wouldn't hope for 2 seconds that he'd actually implement it.<br>
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They are after-all, only campaign promises.</br></br></br></br></a></br></br></br></a></br></br></a></br></a></br></p></a></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Sean Casten</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 23:26:14 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Details</strong></p><p>It sounds like L-W is indeed, the train, as the Climate Change Credit Corp. is their vehicle as well. &nbsp;Note also that L-W does put a lot of resources towards adaptation, even if it hasn't gotten as much media attention.</p>
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				<p><strong>Details</strong></p><p>It sounds like L-W is indeed, the train, as the Climate Change Credit Corp. is their vehicle as well. &nbsp;Note also that L-W does put a lot of resources towards adaptation, even if it hasn't gotten as much media attention.</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by C Hernick</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 03:02:39 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Check facts</strong></p><p>Behind the curve? McCain is one of the few senators that has been working on this issue for years. See the Lieberman-McCain Climate Stewardship Act of 2003.</p>
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				<p><strong>Check facts</strong></p><p>Behind the curve? McCain is one of the few senators that has been working on this issue for years. See the Lieberman-McCain Climate Stewardship Act of 2003.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by davedenali</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 04:39:20 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Much too little</strong></p><p>In a party that made James ("global warming is a hoax") Inhofe the Chair of the Senate Environment Committee, it's easy to look good by comparison. &nbsp;But McCain's promises are not nearly enough. &nbsp;He's committing to 60 percent reductions when NASA global warming expert James Hansen warns that even 80 percent may not be enough. &nbsp;McCain's allowance for satisfying the law through offsets allows for accounting tricks instead of real reductions. &nbsp;As Al Gore warned in his Nobel Speech, we are facing a planetary emergency. &nbsp;We can no longer allow industry lobbyists and the Republican Party leadership to hold sway. &nbsp;Mr. McCain and his 25 percent Senate environmental record and his fellow Republican legislators need to be shown the door. &nbsp;They've done far too much damage as is. </p>
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				<p><strong>Much too little</strong></p><p>In a party that made James ("global warming is a hoax") Inhofe the Chair of the Senate Environment Committee, it's easy to look good by comparison. &nbsp;But McCain's promises are not nearly enough. &nbsp;He's committing to 60 percent reductions when NASA global warming expert James Hansen warns that even 80 percent may not be enough. &nbsp;McCain's allowance for satisfying the law through offsets allows for accounting tricks instead of real reductions. &nbsp;As Al Gore warned in his Nobel Speech, we are facing a planetary emergency. &nbsp;We can no longer allow industry lobbyists and the Republican Party leadership to hold sway. &nbsp;Mr. McCain and his 25 percent Senate environmental record and his fellow Republican legislators need to be shown the door. &nbsp;They've done far too much damage as is. </p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by beerguzzlinotter</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 23:02:15 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Nuclear Energy</strong></p><p>What McCain has in his pocket to help protect the climate is nuclear energy. &nbsp;Read up on the benefits towards diminishing carbon output. &nbsp;Our carbon output would be ridiculously tiny v. the carbon output of power sources we are relying on today. &nbsp;It is time environmentalists did some reading on nuclear energy and woke up to the realization it is the only energy source powerful and non polluting enough to save the planet! &nbsp;The technology for harnessing the sun and the wind's energy is so far behind. &nbsp;We need change now before it is too late, if it is not already. &nbsp;Now if we could just convince Obama of this then we could really be leading a movement of change...</p>
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				<p><strong>Nuclear Energy</strong></p><p>What McCain has in his pocket to help protect the climate is nuclear energy. &nbsp;Read up on the benefits towards diminishing carbon output. &nbsp;Our carbon output would be ridiculously tiny v. the carbon output of power sources we are relying on today. &nbsp;It is time environmentalists did some reading on nuclear energy and woke up to the realization it is the only energy source powerful and non polluting enough to save the planet! &nbsp;The technology for harnessing the sun and the wind's energy is so far behind. &nbsp;We need change now before it is too late, if it is not already. &nbsp;Now if we could just convince Obama of this then we could really be leading a movement of change...</p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by conservationreport</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 02:23:43 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Nuclear energy is not a magic bullet<p>Nuclear energy is not our savior. &nbsp;In fact, I believe it is the lazy man's weapon to quench our energy needs and prevent environmental degradation. &nbsp;Environmentalists rightly approach nuclear energy with caution. <p>
First, nuclear power plants are susceptible to droughts since large amounts of water are needed for cooling. &nbsp;Droughts can force nuclear plants to shut down. <p>
(<a href="http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/24/6580/" rel="nofollow">http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/24/6580/) &nbsp;<p>
Additionally, nuclear energy relies on nonrenewable resources that must be extracted just like oil and storing nuclear waste is controversial and seems impossible. &nbsp;Electricity produced by nuclear reactors is expensive too.<p>
(<a href="http://www.sanluisobispo.com/182/story/358384.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sanluisobispo.com/182/story/358384.html)<p>
Energy from the sun and wind are not far behind. &nbsp;In fact, wind energy alone has the possibility of replacing the current output of energy from nuclear sources. &nbsp;However, I believe nuclear energy certainly should be part of a diverse energy portfolio but most importantly, we must modernize, rehabilitate, and upgrade the electricity transmission grid. &nbsp;We also must take a hard look at consumption and understand since we are bound by the Entropy Law that infinite growth is not possible. &nbsp;In fact, I believe the first two laws of thermodynamics should be preached ad nauseum.<p>
(<a href="http://www.foe.co.uk/resource/briefings/wind_myths.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.foe.co.uk/resource/briefings/wind_myths.pdf &nbsp;<a href="http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKN1247504020080512" rel="nofollow">http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKN124750402008051 ... and <a href="http://www.foet.org/books/entropy.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foet.org/books/entropy.html)<p>
I believe nonrenewable resources must be conservatively or strategically consumed. &nbsp;For example, personal vehicles should be smaller. &nbsp;Whether crude oil or uranium, nonrenewable fuel sources should be consumed wisely and renewable sources should be the forefront of energy production when possible.<p>
We need well thought holistic solutions not magic bullets.<p>
<a href="http://www.conservationreport.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.conservationreport.com/</a></p></p></p></a></a></a></p></p></a></p></p></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Nuclear energy is not a magic bullet<p>Nuclear energy is not our savior. &nbsp;In fact, I believe it is the lazy man's weapon to quench our energy needs and prevent environmental degradation. &nbsp;Environmentalists rightly approach nuclear energy with caution. <p>
First, nuclear power plants are susceptible to droughts since large amounts of water are needed for cooling. &nbsp;Droughts can force nuclear plants to shut down. <p>
(<a href="http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/24/6580/" rel="nofollow">http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/24/6580/) &nbsp;<p>
Additionally, nuclear energy relies on nonrenewable resources that must be extracted just like oil and storing nuclear waste is controversial and seems impossible. &nbsp;Electricity produced by nuclear reactors is expensive too.<p>
(<a href="http://www.sanluisobispo.com/182/story/358384.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sanluisobispo.com/182/story/358384.html)<p>
Energy from the sun and wind are not far behind. &nbsp;In fact, wind energy alone has the possibility of replacing the current output of energy from nuclear sources. &nbsp;However, I believe nuclear energy certainly should be part of a diverse energy portfolio but most importantly, we must modernize, rehabilitate, and upgrade the electricity transmission grid. &nbsp;We also must take a hard look at consumption and understand since we are bound by the Entropy Law that infinite growth is not possible. &nbsp;In fact, I believe the first two laws of thermodynamics should be preached ad nauseum.<p>
(<a href="http://www.foe.co.uk/resource/briefings/wind_myths.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.foe.co.uk/resource/briefings/wind_myths.pdf &nbsp;<a href="http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKN1247504020080512" rel="nofollow">http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKN124750402008051 ... and <a href="http://www.foet.org/books/entropy.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foet.org/books/entropy.html)<p>
I believe nonrenewable resources must be conservatively or strategically consumed. &nbsp;For example, personal vehicles should be smaller. &nbsp;Whether crude oil or uranium, nonrenewable fuel sources should be consumed wisely and renewable sources should be the forefront of energy production when possible.<p>
We need well thought holistic solutions not magic bullets.<p>
<a href="http://www.conservationreport.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.conservationreport.com/</a></p></p></p></a></a></a></p></p></a></p></p></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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