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            <title>Comment #1 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:47:22 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>McCain '08  Or McKook '00 ?<p><br>
Look, it's easy to take a position that is so far from reality (Al Gore) and then look at a reasonable person like John McCain and say "oh, he doesn't do as much as Gore".<p>
The bottom line is Gore failed as a politician. &nbsp;He held an appointed post for 8 years (VP). &nbsp;Failed to win the Presidency and then went off the deep end on a Joe McCarthy-esque tirade about "Global Warming".<p>
Comparing a sane man like McCain to Gore only makes McCain seem that much more Presidential.

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				<p><strong>McCain '08  Or McKook '00 ?<p><br>
Look, it's easy to take a position that is so far from reality (Al Gore) and then look at a reasonable person like John McCain and say "oh, he doesn't do as much as Gore".<p>
The bottom line is Gore failed as a politician. &nbsp;He held an appointed post for 8 years (VP). &nbsp;Failed to win the Presidency and then went off the deep end on a Joe McCarthy-esque tirade about "Global Warming".<p>
Comparing a sane man like McCain to Gore only makes McCain seem that much more Presidential.

<p><a href="http://technology.newscientist.com/article/dn13545-nanomaterial-turns-radiation-directly-into-electr  icity.html" rel="nofollow">Look! Nuclear Batteries!</a></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by RichardD</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:44:22 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Gore honored by Canadian oil-sands investor?!<p>I don't know if you heard about it, but yesterday (April 4th) Al Gore was in Montreal on a stage laughing with Andre Desmarais, a Canadian billionnaire whose company (Power Corporation of Canada) is investing billions in oil-sands digging in Alberta!!!<p>
This is quite amazing when we know how often Gore criticized the oil-sands production in Canada as being one of the major factors responsible for climate change.<p>
See this link below: (the man holding the Montreal Canadiens' shirt (with Gore's name) at the left is Andre Desmarais, CEO of Power Corporation.)<p>
<a href="http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080405/CPACTUALITES/80405001/6730/CPACTUALITES" rel="nofollow">http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080405/CPACTUALITES/8 ...<p>
Gore was invited by a french Montreal newspaper owned by Power Corporation. <p>
Power, one of the biggest companies in Canada, has a controversial record, with major investments in Total group. Total has a major oil sands project in Alberta, named Joslyn. Joslyn is located in the Athabasca oil-sands region in northeastern Alberta and consists of both mining and steam-injection projects. The project may contain two billion barrels of oil, Total has estimated. Total started commercial production at Joslyn in November 2006 and expects output to reach 10,000 barrels a day this year or in 2009 at the latest.<p>
Total also operates the Yadana gas pipeline with Chevron and the Burmese junta.&#160; During construction of the pipeline Total and its American partner hired the Burmese military to assist in the building and provide security.&#160; The result of this partnership caused great suffering to the local population as the Burma's military used forced labour and violence to get the job down.<br>
These corporations are providing billions to the military regime of Burma that will never trickle down to the general public. The money that the Junta receives will instead be used against Burma's population, bankrolling the general's latest arms purchases from China.<p>
Power Corp's founder, Paul Desmarais Sr, is also a friend of French right-wing president Nicolas Sarkozy. Sarkozy admitted recently that Desmarais helped him on his way to the French presidency.<p>
So, you guys should investigate Gore's links with Power Corporation.<p>
What was Al Gore doing on a stage with these people????</p></p></p></br></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Gore honored by Canadian oil-sands investor?!<p>I don't know if you heard about it, but yesterday (April 4th) Al Gore was in Montreal on a stage laughing with Andre Desmarais, a Canadian billionnaire whose company (Power Corporation of Canada) is investing billions in oil-sands digging in Alberta!!!<p>
This is quite amazing when we know how often Gore criticized the oil-sands production in Canada as being one of the major factors responsible for climate change.<p>
See this link below: (the man holding the Montreal Canadiens' shirt (with Gore's name) at the left is Andre Desmarais, CEO of Power Corporation.)<p>
<a href="http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080405/CPACTUALITES/80405001/6730/CPACTUALITES" rel="nofollow">http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080405/CPACTUALITES/8 ...<p>
Gore was invited by a french Montreal newspaper owned by Power Corporation. <p>
Power, one of the biggest companies in Canada, has a controversial record, with major investments in Total group. Total has a major oil sands project in Alberta, named Joslyn. Joslyn is located in the Athabasca oil-sands region in northeastern Alberta and consists of both mining and steam-injection projects. The project may contain two billion barrels of oil, Total has estimated. Total started commercial production at Joslyn in November 2006 and expects output to reach 10,000 barrels a day this year or in 2009 at the latest.<p>
Total also operates the Yadana gas pipeline with Chevron and the Burmese junta.&#160; During construction of the pipeline Total and its American partner hired the Burmese military to assist in the building and provide security.&#160; The result of this partnership caused great suffering to the local population as the Burma's military used forced labour and violence to get the job down.<br>
These corporations are providing billions to the military regime of Burma that will never trickle down to the general public. The money that the Junta receives will instead be used against Burma's population, bankrolling the general's latest arms purchases from China.<p>
Power Corp's founder, Paul Desmarais Sr, is also a friend of French right-wing president Nicolas Sarkozy. Sarkozy admitted recently that Desmarais helped him on his way to the French presidency.<p>
So, you guys should investigate Gore's links with Power Corporation.<p>
What was Al Gore doing on a stage with these people????</p></p></p></br></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by EarthlingAngst</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 08:03:29 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>McCain is AWOL on environmental votes</strong></p><p>Maybe McCain was once a leader on this topic, but since he's been running for president he's failed to vote even once on key environmental legislation in the Senate. Twice in recent months his missing vote could have extended tax credits on renewable energy, something we sorely need and are still waiting for. The League of Conservation Voters gave him their &nbsp;worst possible grade -- a zero -- for his voting record in 2007. It's clear we're not going to be able to count on him for the aggressive leadership we need on global warming. He may be better than Bush on the subject, but who isn't? 

<p>EarthlingAngst</p></p>
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				<p><strong>McCain is AWOL on environmental votes</strong></p><p>Maybe McCain was once a leader on this topic, but since he's been running for president he's failed to vote even once on key environmental legislation in the Senate. Twice in recent months his missing vote could have extended tax credits on renewable energy, something we sorely need and are still waiting for. The League of Conservation Voters gave him their &nbsp;worst possible grade -- a zero -- for his voting record in 2007. It's clear we're not going to be able to count on him for the aggressive leadership we need on global warming. He may be better than Bush on the subject, but who isn't? 

<p>EarthlingAngst</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Tushara Kodikara</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 09:43:23 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Is Gore really that great?</strong></p><p>Gore was also responsible for watering down the Kyoto Protocol. While the EU wanted a target of 15% reductions, the US watered this down to 5%. While the orgainal intent of Kyoto was the internalise emission reductions, Gore was responsible for what is know now as Hot Air. &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>Is Gore really that great?</strong></p><p>Gore was also responsible for watering down the Kyoto Protocol. While the EU wanted a target of 15% reductions, the US watered this down to 5%. While the orgainal intent of Kyoto was the internalise emission reductions, Gore was responsible for what is know now as Hot Air. &nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by human power</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 13:13:42 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>3 blind fascists</strong></p><p>"The key point for me is that unlike Gore -- and unlike Clinton and Obama -- McCain doesn't support the policies needed to successfully address catastrophic climate change without devastating the economy".</p><p>
I must have missed Obama and Clinton calling for the 80-90% reductions in GHG emissions by 2020 that will be required of Americans if our planet is to avoid catastrophic "tipping points" of positive feedback. Last year's Arctic ice melt-off may indicate that we are either already reaching the first of these tipping points or are very close. </p><p>
Let's at least be honest enough to admit that in the broken American electoral system all of the candidates must pander to the wealthiest 10% in order to finance their political ambitions and to secure positive corporate media coverage. That is why none of them will publicly admit the extent of the emissions cuts required in order to keep human history going through the twenty-second century. </p><p>
Even most math-challenged Americans should realize that they will not be able to afford energy if our approach to cutting emissions is cap-and-trade. Face it, if we try to get 80% reductions under cap-and-trade, the wealthiest 15% will continue to generate GHG at the same rate as today while everyone else has to make do on next to nothing. </p><p>
We held back the violent fascists of the twentieth century with personal quotas for gasoline and other goods. We can hold back climate change with personal quotas on gasoline, diesel and grid power, if we are serious. So far, we are not.</p>
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				<p><strong>3 blind fascists</strong></p><p>"The key point for me is that unlike Gore -- and unlike Clinton and Obama -- McCain doesn't support the policies needed to successfully address catastrophic climate change without devastating the economy".</p><p>
I must have missed Obama and Clinton calling for the 80-90% reductions in GHG emissions by 2020 that will be required of Americans if our planet is to avoid catastrophic "tipping points" of positive feedback. Last year's Arctic ice melt-off may indicate that we are either already reaching the first of these tipping points or are very close. </p><p>
Let's at least be honest enough to admit that in the broken American electoral system all of the candidates must pander to the wealthiest 10% in order to finance their political ambitions and to secure positive corporate media coverage. That is why none of them will publicly admit the extent of the emissions cuts required in order to keep human history going through the twenty-second century. </p><p>
Even most math-challenged Americans should realize that they will not be able to afford energy if our approach to cutting emissions is cap-and-trade. Face it, if we try to get 80% reductions under cap-and-trade, the wealthiest 15% will continue to generate GHG at the same rate as today while everyone else has to make do on next to nothing. </p><p>
We held back the violent fascists of the twentieth century with personal quotas for gasoline and other goods. We can hold back climate change with personal quotas on gasoline, diesel and grid power, if we are serious. So far, we are not.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:20:37 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>It should bear note<p>Here's a couple things MoveOn.org, has to say about McCain<br>
<a href="http://greyfalcon.net/mccain.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://greyfalcon.net/mccain.pdf<p>
And some Thinkprogress stuff:<br>
<a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/26/mccain-bear/" rel="nofollow">http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/26/mccain-bear/<br>
<a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/07/mccain-stimulus-2/" rel="nofollow">http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/07/mccain-stimulus-2/</a></br></a></br></p></a></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>It should bear note<p>Here's a couple things MoveOn.org, has to say about McCain<br>
<a href="http://greyfalcon.net/mccain.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://greyfalcon.net/mccain.pdf<p>
And some Thinkprogress stuff:<br>
<a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/26/mccain-bear/" rel="nofollow">http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/26/mccain-bear/<br>
<a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/07/mccain-stimulus-2/" rel="nofollow">http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/07/mccain-stimulus-2/</a></br></a></br></p></a></br></p></strong></p>
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