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            <title>Comment #1 by manacker</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/matt-drudges-misleading-mashup-bolsters-right-wing-fantasy-world/</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 04:34:55 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Record shows global warming has reached a plateau<p>The lead article raises questions about the statement that global warming has stopped, but unfortunately the "artifact" claim does not hold (1998 was an unusual record year, so cannot be used as the starting point).<p>
The statement was made that the claim of no warming since 1998: "has been thoroughly debunked every time it's popped up". A link to a statement by James E. Hansen is cited.<p>
I prefer to go to the actual source of the data rather than relying on sites like gristmill or individuals like Hansen to tell me a message they want to get across.<p>
So I downloaded the Hadley record:<br>
<a href="http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh+sh/monthly" rel="nofollow">http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/n ... <p>
I then plot the most recent record with different start dates:<br>
If I plot the last 10 years (starting January 1998, ending February 2008) I get a totally flat trend.<p>
If I plot the trend starting January 1999 I get a linear trend of 0.009 degrees C per decade. &nbsp;Taken over the 9 years this is a linear increase of 0.008 degrees C per decade (not 0.2 degrees C per decade as projected for the first two decades in the 21st century by IPCC in its 2007 SPM report).<p>
Then I also checked the actual trend with later start dates:<p>
Starting in 2000, the warming trend is +0.004 degrees C per decade<br>
Starting in 2001, the cooling trend is -0.009 degrees C per decade<br>
Starting in 2002, the cooling trend is -0.018 degrees C per decade<br>
Starting in 2003, the cooling trend is -0.023 degrees C per decade<p>
It looks like the facts show that the IPCC Chairman is correct when he refers to the recent flat trend as a "plateau" in global warming and the "debunkers" of the flat trend are "flat wrong" (if you'll pardon the expression).<p>
Max</p></p></br></br></br></p></p></p></br></p></a></br></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Record shows global warming has reached a plateau<p>The lead article raises questions about the statement that global warming has stopped, but unfortunately the "artifact" claim does not hold (1998 was an unusual record year, so cannot be used as the starting point).<p>
The statement was made that the claim of no warming since 1998: "has been thoroughly debunked every time it's popped up". A link to a statement by James E. Hansen is cited.<p>
I prefer to go to the actual source of the data rather than relying on sites like gristmill or individuals like Hansen to tell me a message they want to get across.<p>
So I downloaded the Hadley record:<br>
<a href="http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh+sh/monthly" rel="nofollow">http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/n ... <p>
I then plot the most recent record with different start dates:<br>
If I plot the last 10 years (starting January 1998, ending February 2008) I get a totally flat trend.<p>
If I plot the trend starting January 1999 I get a linear trend of 0.009 degrees C per decade. &nbsp;Taken over the 9 years this is a linear increase of 0.008 degrees C per decade (not 0.2 degrees C per decade as projected for the first two decades in the 21st century by IPCC in its 2007 SPM report).<p>
Then I also checked the actual trend with later start dates:<p>
Starting in 2000, the warming trend is +0.004 degrees C per decade<br>
Starting in 2001, the cooling trend is -0.009 degrees C per decade<br>
Starting in 2002, the cooling trend is -0.018 degrees C per decade<br>
Starting in 2003, the cooling trend is -0.023 degrees C per decade<p>
It looks like the facts show that the IPCC Chairman is correct when he refers to the recent flat trend as a "plateau" in global warming and the "debunkers" of the flat trend are "flat wrong" (if you'll pardon the expression).<p>
Max</p></p></br></br></br></p></p></p></br></p></a></br></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Black Wallaby</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/matt-drudges-misleading-mashup-bolsters-right-wing-fantasy-world/</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:46:02 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>But GISS also published this:<p>Check this out and you will see that there has been a plateau for the last decade:<p>
<a href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.C.lrg.gif" rel="nofollow">http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.C.lrg.gif<p>
In other words the average temperature anomally for the last ten years has been about 0.6 degrees C</p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>But GISS also published this:<p>Check this out and you will see that there has been a plateau for the last decade:<p>
<a href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.C.lrg.gif" rel="nofollow">http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.C.lrg.gif<p>
In other words the average temperature anomally for the last ten years has been about 0.6 degrees C</p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by amazingdrx</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/matt-drudges-misleading-mashup-bolsters-right-wing-fantasy-world/</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 00:13:29 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>More sludge</strong></p><p>From Drudge. &nbsp;This effluent is toxic.</p><p>
Can't even get biogas or fertilizer from it. &nbsp;Completely useless shit.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>More sludge</strong></p><p>From Drudge. &nbsp;This effluent is toxic.</p><p>
Can't even get biogas or fertilizer from it. &nbsp;Completely useless shit.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Black Wallaby</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:31:09 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Amazing sludge</strong></p><p>Hey amazngdrx,<br>
Could you please translate what you wrote above into common understandable English language?<br>
That way, I and other passers-by may comprehend what you are trying to say</br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Amazing sludge</strong></p><p>Hey amazngdrx,<br>
Could you please translate what you wrote above into common understandable English language?<br>
That way, I and other passers-by may comprehend what you are trying to say</br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Black Wallaby</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:36:50 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>According to GISS</strong></p><p>The average temperature anomally for the past ten years has been ~0.6C.<br>
= a plateau</br></p>
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				<p><strong>According to GISS</strong></p><p>The average temperature anomally for the past ten years has been ~0.6C.<br>
= a plateau</br></p>
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