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            <title>Comment #1 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:47:57 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Running hot</strong></p><p>I am running my second marathon in Ashland this weekend. &nbsp;Nice and cool with a high of 54.</p><p>
My first marathon was on Grand Island just north of Munising in the upper peninsula of Michigan. &nbsp;Even though it was in Aug it was cool on the tree covered trails and along the cliffs overlooking the lake.</p><p>
The shores of Lake Superior are becoming the Riviera of the midwest with GHG climate change. &nbsp;I sense a vacation population boom on the southern shore about to heat up. &nbsp;Almost time to move to the north shore.</p><p>
Flee the human wave of climate change! &nbsp;Or live like just another rat in a maze. &nbsp;Mass culture is not for everyone.

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				<p><strong>Running hot</strong></p><p>I am running my second marathon in Ashland this weekend. &nbsp;Nice and cool with a high of 54.</p><p>
My first marathon was on Grand Island just north of Munising in the upper peninsula of Michigan. &nbsp;Even though it was in Aug it was cool on the tree covered trails and along the cliffs overlooking the lake.</p><p>
The shores of Lake Superior are becoming the Riviera of the midwest with GHG climate change. &nbsp;I sense a vacation population boom on the southern shore about to heat up. &nbsp;Almost time to move to the north shore.</p><p>
Flee the human wave of climate change! &nbsp;Or live like just another rat in a maze. &nbsp;Mass culture is not for everyone.

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            <title>Comment #2 by Flamingo</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 01:20:54 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>nobody could have predicted....</strong></p><p>My first (and only) marathon was in Los Angeles, and it was over 90 degrees. There were a few problems but nothing on the scale of what it sounds like in Chicago. Lots and lots of fire hoses cooling down runners. I can't imagine anyone even considered shutting it down for temperature. But I guess in Chicago in October, nobody really prepared themselves for such temperatures, whether it was the runners or the organizers. </p><p>
There was apparently a Wisconsin football game with problems with heat that they'd never encountered also, this past weekend.</p>
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				<p><strong>nobody could have predicted....</strong></p><p>My first (and only) marathon was in Los Angeles, and it was over 90 degrees. There were a few problems but nothing on the scale of what it sounds like in Chicago. Lots and lots of fire hoses cooling down runners. I can't imagine anyone even considered shutting it down for temperature. But I guess in Chicago in October, nobody really prepared themselves for such temperatures, whether it was the runners or the organizers. </p><p>
There was apparently a Wisconsin football game with problems with heat that they'd never encountered also, this past weekend.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Flamingo</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 01:22:57 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>also</strong></p><p>in Los Angeles, they deploy the Community Emergency Response Team to help with the LA Marathon to make sure all the runners are taken care of. More communities need community training like that. </p>
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				<p><strong>also</strong></p><p>in Los Angeles, they deploy the Community Emergency Response Team to help with the LA Marathon to make sure all the runners are taken care of. More communities need community training like that. </p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 02:18:36 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>It was only 88!<p><br>
The press kept talking like Chicago has turned into Oman. &nbsp;I imagined Laural and Hardy in French Foreign Legion outfits, jogging over sand dunes.<p>
High temperature for that day: 88F.<p>
Big deal!<br>


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				<p><strong>It was only 88!<p><br>
The press kept talking like Chicago has turned into Oman. &nbsp;I imagined Laural and Hardy in French Foreign Legion outfits, jogging over sand dunes.<p>
High temperature for that day: 88F.<p>
Big deal!<br>


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            <title>Comment #5 by Flamingo</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 03:28:53 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>john, you must not be a runner</strong></p><p>It's a big deal when you're running 26.2 miles, especially if you haven't trained in that temperature and you don't have the liquids and medical support for it. It's deadly.</p>
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				<p><strong>john, you must not be a runner</strong></p><p>It's a big deal when you're running 26.2 miles, especially if you haven't trained in that temperature and you don't have the liquids and medical support for it. It's deadly.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by estark</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:14:28 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>have you heard of Heat Index?</strong></p><p>John,<br>
Guess you've never heard "It's not the heat, it's the humidity" nor lived in the often oppressive summer humidity of the midwest.<br>
88's not that hot, but with the high humidity the heat index was no doubt well over 100. It bogles my mind why anyone would want to run in that.</br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>have you heard of Heat Index?</strong></p><p>John,<br>
Guess you've never heard "It's not the heat, it's the humidity" nor lived in the often oppressive summer humidity of the midwest.<br>
88's not that hot, but with the high humidity the heat index was no doubt well over 100. It bogles my mind why anyone would want to run in that.</br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by PolluteLessDotCom</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 06:19:58 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>And meanwhile I am wondering....<p>...how many people travel by car or plane to get to those marathons. I have a colleague who will fly 6000 miles to participate in a 26 mile foot race in California. Is that sustainable? Healthy? Not for the environment I dare say.<p>
Is there anyone that sees connections between our hobbies and pollution? I can admire anyone who runs that far. Generally speaking it is a sport with little impact on the environment. I do wonder why they cannot run where they live though. Or at least very close. <p>
Just like with most of what we do in North America, it may not be the activity, but all that is done to support the activity that causes problems. Transportation of all involved including spectators and equipment, &nbsp;the materials used for equipment, the maintenance of facilities, the energy consumption of facilities, etc. need to be considered if you look at climate change and sports. <p>
The folks who travel long-distance to get to a sporting event and then suffer from unusually high temperatures (or at least weird weather) are not necessarily ONLY a victim of climate change, but to a certain extend also causing it with their behavior. <p>
If you pee in the water, don't be surprised when it changes flavor.<p>
Karsten<br>
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				<p><strong>And meanwhile I am wondering....<p>...how many people travel by car or plane to get to those marathons. I have a colleague who will fly 6000 miles to participate in a 26 mile foot race in California. Is that sustainable? Healthy? Not for the environment I dare say.<p>
Is there anyone that sees connections between our hobbies and pollution? I can admire anyone who runs that far. Generally speaking it is a sport with little impact on the environment. I do wonder why they cannot run where they live though. Or at least very close. <p>
Just like with most of what we do in North America, it may not be the activity, but all that is done to support the activity that causes problems. Transportation of all involved including spectators and equipment, &nbsp;the materials used for equipment, the maintenance of facilities, the energy consumption of facilities, etc. need to be considered if you look at climate change and sports. <p>
The folks who travel long-distance to get to a sporting event and then suffer from unusually high temperatures (or at least weird weather) are not necessarily ONLY a victim of climate change, but to a certain extend also causing it with their behavior. <p>
If you pee in the water, don't be surprised when it changes flavor.<p>
Karsten<br>
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            <title>Comment #8 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:54:39 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Pheidippides The Ice Man<p>It bogles my mind why anyone would want to run in that.<p>
&lt;sarcasm&gt;<br>
Yeah, I see your point. &nbsp;It's not like the original marathon in Athens was run in hot weather. &nbsp; Or that some of the best marathoners come from Central Africa.<br>
&lt;/sarcasm&gt<br>


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				<p><strong>Pheidippides The Ice Man<p>It bogles my mind why anyone would want to run in that.<p>
&lt;sarcasm&gt;<br>
Yeah, I see your point. &nbsp;It's not like the original marathon in Athens was run in hot weather. &nbsp; Or that some of the best marathoners come from Central Africa.<br>
&lt;/sarcasm&gt<br>


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            <title>Comment #9 by ids</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:39:11 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>race story</strong></p><p>I was out bright and early at 10am to watch 'em run by. &nbsp;Everyone knew for a week it was going to be record breaking heat. &nbsp;But 10 am, no problem, and in 2 minutes the heat rising from the pavement was stifling. &nbsp;So much for all the trees Daley's Chicago is famous for. &nbsp;I thought it should be stopped then and could not watch. &nbsp;It went on for another hour and a half. &nbsp;The spectators were yelling encouragement. &nbsp;I don't think one sprinkler was planned to cool the runners the whole race by an organizer or "the general public" for this corporate sponsored event. &nbsp;Last year the apparent winner slipped on the corporate sponsor logo and fell on the back of his head inches before the finish line- concussion and not the winner. &nbsp;This year I hear he quit at the 20 mile mark with stomach cramps. &nbsp;</p><p>
I am sorry, but it is not unprecedented for someone too young to die on Chicago streets. &nbsp;300+ hospitalizations of people who had to run 26 miles that day, do I give a shit? &nbsp; </p><p>
Two kids I know had breath attacks the holiday weekend, one needed a hospital shot to recover. &nbsp;Those two victims are commonplace, is old news and disproportionately affects minorities, so they are not the story. &nbsp;The great race is the story, forget about two coal plants, bus diesels, loco diesels dragging train lines of coal, all going into the neighborhoods year round. &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>
Heat Wave by Klinenberg is a good read on Mayor Daley's policy and press and administration during the 1995 100 degree heat wave that killed 700+ here. &nbsp;Some people never learn. &nbsp;Don't bother him now, the Mayor is planning the 2016 Olympics for US.<br>
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				<p><strong>race story</strong></p><p>I was out bright and early at 10am to watch 'em run by. &nbsp;Everyone knew for a week it was going to be record breaking heat. &nbsp;But 10 am, no problem, and in 2 minutes the heat rising from the pavement was stifling. &nbsp;So much for all the trees Daley's Chicago is famous for. &nbsp;I thought it should be stopped then and could not watch. &nbsp;It went on for another hour and a half. &nbsp;The spectators were yelling encouragement. &nbsp;I don't think one sprinkler was planned to cool the runners the whole race by an organizer or "the general public" for this corporate sponsored event. &nbsp;Last year the apparent winner slipped on the corporate sponsor logo and fell on the back of his head inches before the finish line- concussion and not the winner. &nbsp;This year I hear he quit at the 20 mile mark with stomach cramps. &nbsp;</p><p>
I am sorry, but it is not unprecedented for someone too young to die on Chicago streets. &nbsp;300+ hospitalizations of people who had to run 26 miles that day, do I give a shit? &nbsp; </p><p>
Two kids I know had breath attacks the holiday weekend, one needed a hospital shot to recover. &nbsp;Those two victims are commonplace, is old news and disproportionately affects minorities, so they are not the story. &nbsp;The great race is the story, forget about two coal plants, bus diesels, loco diesels dragging train lines of coal, all going into the neighborhoods year round. &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>
Heat Wave by Klinenberg is a good read on Mayor Daley's policy and press and administration during the 1995 100 degree heat wave that killed 700+ here. &nbsp;Some people never learn. &nbsp;Don't bother him now, the Mayor is planning the 2016 Olympics for US.<br>
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            <title>Comment #10 by GonzoDon</title>
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				<p><strong>Forgive me ...</strong></p><p>... but I can't help asking how many of those marathon participants -- who run countless training miles for months before these races -- actually bother to walk, or run, or bike to work or to the local Starbucks or to take care of errands on the weekend.</p><p>
1%? &nbsp;2%, maybe, on a good day? &nbsp;I doubt any more than that. &nbsp;I'll bet they "don't have the time" -- too busy training for this big race! &nbsp;And, as Karsten has already pointed out, a larger percentage than this probably flew or drove 100+ miles just to participate in this event.</p><p>
I think marathons are wonderful events. &nbsp;But it should be easy for anybody to see why most people in the developing world -- who may have to walk one mile twice a day to fetch clean water, or bicycle five miles over dirt roads to get to school -- find North American culture to be hopelessly and inexplicably self-absorbed and wasteful.</p><p>
I long for the day when it will be 'cool' for North Americans to actually use their feet and their bicycles for practical errands, rather than for going in circles for the sake of going in circles ...</p>
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				<p><strong>Forgive me ...</strong></p><p>... but I can't help asking how many of those marathon participants -- who run countless training miles for months before these races -- actually bother to walk, or run, or bike to work or to the local Starbucks or to take care of errands on the weekend.</p><p>
1%? &nbsp;2%, maybe, on a good day? &nbsp;I doubt any more than that. &nbsp;I'll bet they "don't have the time" -- too busy training for this big race! &nbsp;And, as Karsten has already pointed out, a larger percentage than this probably flew or drove 100+ miles just to participate in this event.</p><p>
I think marathons are wonderful events. &nbsp;But it should be easy for anybody to see why most people in the developing world -- who may have to walk one mile twice a day to fetch clean water, or bicycle five miles over dirt roads to get to school -- find North American culture to be hopelessly and inexplicably self-absorbed and wasteful.</p><p>
I long for the day when it will be 'cool' for North Americans to actually use their feet and their bicycles for practical errands, rather than for going in circles for the sake of going in circles ...</p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by Delay And Deny</title>
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				<p><strong>Try Finding a Parking Space At IKEA<p><br>
walk one mile twice a day to fetch clean water<p>
People always chide Americans for not walking.<p>
But living in a pure suburb, Kent, WA, I find that even when driving its hard to avoid walking. &nbsp;That is, from my car, through the parking lot to the stores.<p>
In fact, between going from my car to the store, and then walking around in the giant supermarkets, Wal*Marts and mega stores, it seems to me that I do quite a bit of walking when shopping.<p>
I wonder if this applies to other Americans as well. &nbsp; Contrast this to the lazy Frenchman, who barely has to stride a few steps to his bistro before sitting down for a 4 hour espresso.

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				<p><strong>Try Finding a Parking Space At IKEA<p><br>
walk one mile twice a day to fetch clean water<p>
People always chide Americans for not walking.<p>
But living in a pure suburb, Kent, WA, I find that even when driving its hard to avoid walking. &nbsp;That is, from my car, through the parking lot to the stores.<p>
In fact, between going from my car to the store, and then walking around in the giant supermarkets, Wal*Marts and mega stores, it seems to me that I do quite a bit of walking when shopping.<p>
I wonder if this applies to other Americans as well. &nbsp; Contrast this to the lazy Frenchman, who barely has to stride a few steps to his bistro before sitting down for a 4 hour espresso.

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            <title>Comment #12 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:17:16 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Great marathon</strong></p><p>Ran another great marathon today. &nbsp;My second.</p><p>
Go ahead and complain all you want you fat assed, miserable couch potatoes. &nbsp;I'm sure the 800+ runners who ran the 26.2 miles would get just as big a laugh out of your idiocy as I will.

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				<p><strong>Great marathon</strong></p><p>Ran another great marathon today. &nbsp;My second.</p><p>
Go ahead and complain all you want you fat assed, miserable couch potatoes. &nbsp;I'm sure the 800+ runners who ran the 26.2 miles would get just as big a laugh out of your idiocy as I will.

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