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            <title>Comment #1 by greengirlsguide</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 03:40:59 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Shape Magazine</strong></p><p>Shape Magazine also came out with a fabulous green issue for April 2007 (and prints the magazine on recycled-content paper). The entire staff saw Inconvenient Truth together.</p>
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				<p><strong>Shape Magazine</strong></p><p>Shape Magazine also came out with a fabulous green issue for April 2007 (and prints the magazine on recycled-content paper). The entire staff saw Inconvenient Truth together.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by PDXOutdoors</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 05:36:44 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Glossy is not Green<p>From the horses' mouths:<br>
<a href="http://www.grist.org/news/daily/2000/02/18/can/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.grist.org/news/daily/2000/02/18/can/index.html ...<p>
Glossy paper is usually pretty toxic stuff, both in the manufacturing process and in our landfills, recycling plants or compost bins. &nbsp;Perhaps we should all write some letters to these publications asking them if they are using a <a href="http://www.greenerprinter.com/grp/ourpapers.do" rel="nofollow">non-toxic glossy paper, and if so, why not.<p>
Paper in general, as we all know, ain't so hot. &nbsp;I'd argue that the checmicals used in the processing of paper are at least as bad as the resource extraction necessary to feed this industy. Here's <a href="http://scorecard.org/env-releases/facility.tcl?tri_id=97348PPTLB30480#major_chemical_releases" rel="nofollow">an example of a paper pulp mill in my home state, responsible for approximately 200,000 pounds of carcinogenic air pollution annually.<p>
How about we pressure these magazines to look at options for lighter, cleaner, 100% recycled paper, as well as natural inks.</p></a></p></a></p></a></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Glossy is not Green<p>From the horses' mouths:<br>
<a href="http://www.grist.org/news/daily/2000/02/18/can/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.grist.org/news/daily/2000/02/18/can/index.html ...<p>
Glossy paper is usually pretty toxic stuff, both in the manufacturing process and in our landfills, recycling plants or compost bins. &nbsp;Perhaps we should all write some letters to these publications asking them if they are using a <a href="http://www.greenerprinter.com/grp/ourpapers.do" rel="nofollow">non-toxic glossy paper, and if so, why not.<p>
Paper in general, as we all know, ain't so hot. &nbsp;I'd argue that the checmicals used in the processing of paper are at least as bad as the resource extraction necessary to feed this industy. Here's <a href="http://scorecard.org/env-releases/facility.tcl?tri_id=97348PPTLB30480#major_chemical_releases" rel="nofollow">an example of a paper pulp mill in my home state, responsible for approximately 200,000 pounds of carcinogenic air pollution annually.<p>
How about we pressure these magazines to look at options for lighter, cleaner, 100% recycled paper, as well as natural inks.</p></a></p></a></p></a></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:42:00 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Correlation Does Not Imply Causality</strong></p><p><br>
You Gristers and AGW zealots keep making the same mistake in all aspects of life.</p><p>
Correlation does not imply causality.</p><p>
Just because you put Julia Roberts and a "Green Theme" on a cover doesn't mean anyone cares about "Greeness". &nbsp; They may just want to see Julia Roberts in sun dress. &nbsp; The only test would be to put Julia Roberts on the cover of "Coal Burning Technology Today" and see if it increases sales.</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Correlation Does Not Imply Causality</strong></p><p><br>
You Gristers and AGW zealots keep making the same mistake in all aspects of life.</p><p>
Correlation does not imply causality.</p><p>
Just because you put Julia Roberts and a "Green Theme" on a cover doesn't mean anyone cares about "Greeness". &nbsp; They may just want to see Julia Roberts in sun dress. &nbsp; The only test would be to put Julia Roberts on the cover of "Coal Burning Technology Today" and see if it increases sales.</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by liminalgrey</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:05:38 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Vanity Fair does it again!</strong></p><p>Vanity Fair's May 2007 issue will be the second annual green issue. &nbsp;It goes on sale April 10.</p>
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				<p><strong>Vanity Fair does it again!</strong></p><p>Vanity Fair's May 2007 issue will be the second annual green issue. &nbsp;It goes on sale April 10.</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by GonzoDon</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:50:52 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Outside of sight and Outside of mind</strong></p><p>Well, Outside magazine's editors may think that "every issue of Outside magazine is a green issue". &nbsp;However I quit subscribing to that publication 10 years ago because I could no longer stomach their commodification of everything I hold dear about the natural world. &nbsp;</p><p>
C'mon, have you actually read Outside in the last decade? &nbsp;The magazine mostly tarts up Mother Nature to shill for American's commercial, consumerist culture. &nbsp;The articles inform yuppies about the outdoor Toy of the Month that they should buy to impress their neighbors ... and then reveals the Secret Destination to which they should take that toy (well, maybe not so secret any longer). &nbsp;Its glossy advertisements push SUVs and an endless spew of generally unnecessary, stylish, and overpriced sports drinks/bars/shoes/shorts/sunglasses/vitamins.</p><p>
OK, I guess. &nbsp;But if you want to read something green, buy a copy of Adbusters or Desert Solitaire and hike off into your own favorite local wild area with your own two feet, your beat-up hiking boots and an old day pack stuffed with apples, sandwiches, and juice. &nbsp;You'll see and experience far more than those who are rushing by you in their color-coordinated lycra outfits while chatting on their cellphones in their Search for the Next Big Thing revealed in this month's issue of Outside magazine.</p><p>
It's nice of them to publish the occasional 'green' article, though ...</p>
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				<p><strong>Outside of sight and Outside of mind</strong></p><p>Well, Outside magazine's editors may think that "every issue of Outside magazine is a green issue". &nbsp;However I quit subscribing to that publication 10 years ago because I could no longer stomach their commodification of everything I hold dear about the natural world. &nbsp;</p><p>
C'mon, have you actually read Outside in the last decade? &nbsp;The magazine mostly tarts up Mother Nature to shill for American's commercial, consumerist culture. &nbsp;The articles inform yuppies about the outdoor Toy of the Month that they should buy to impress their neighbors ... and then reveals the Secret Destination to which they should take that toy (well, maybe not so secret any longer). &nbsp;Its glossy advertisements push SUVs and an endless spew of generally unnecessary, stylish, and overpriced sports drinks/bars/shoes/shorts/sunglasses/vitamins.</p><p>
OK, I guess. &nbsp;But if you want to read something green, buy a copy of Adbusters or Desert Solitaire and hike off into your own favorite local wild area with your own two feet, your beat-up hiking boots and an old day pack stuffed with apples, sandwiches, and juice. &nbsp;You'll see and experience far more than those who are rushing by you in their color-coordinated lycra outfits while chatting on their cellphones in their Search for the Next Big Thing revealed in this month's issue of Outside magazine.</p><p>
It's nice of them to publish the occasional 'green' article, though ...</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Jo2</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:58:58 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Yes, if these mags really want to go green ...<p>invite them to join Co-op America's WoodWise PAPER Project for magazines -- <a href="http://www.coopamerica.org/programs/woodwise/publishers/magazines/index.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.coopamerica.org/programs/woodwise/publishers/m ...<br>
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				<p><strong>Yes, if these mags really want to go green ...<p>invite them to join Co-op America's WoodWise PAPER Project for magazines -- <a href="http://www.coopamerica.org/programs/woodwise/publishers/magazines/index.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.coopamerica.org/programs/woodwise/publishers/m ...<br>
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            <title>Comment #7 by chrislatray</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 00:53:43 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Then there's the articles on Hybrids. . . .</strong></p><p>Both Outside and Canoe and Kayak have recently devoted articles to hybrid vehicles as well, and what struck me most was how lame those vehicles pretty much all were. I mean, a hybrid luxury car may make some person feel self righteous, but 25 mpg still sucks no matter how you slice it.</p><p>
Seems to me a lot of this is just an extreme case of bandwagon jumping. Kind of a "green for a day" thing. </p>
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				<p><strong>Then there's the articles on Hybrids. . . .</strong></p><p>Both Outside and Canoe and Kayak have recently devoted articles to hybrid vehicles as well, and what struck me most was how lame those vehicles pretty much all were. I mean, a hybrid luxury car may make some person feel self righteous, but 25 mpg still sucks no matter how you slice it.</p><p>
Seems to me a lot of this is just an extreme case of bandwagon jumping. Kind of a "green for a day" thing. </p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by Locantore</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 07:04:17 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Green Magazines<p>I think that it is great that more and more glossy magazines are doing "green" issues to raise awareness among their readers. However, at times it can be as disconcerting as a "Stop Global Warming" bumper-sticker on an SUV.<p>
With the possible exception of Outside magazine, none of the magazines that you highlighted use any recycled content at all. Probably the largest circulation mainstream magazine to use recycled paper is Shape, and they get no mention at all.<p>
Out of about 18,000 magazine titles in the US, only slightly more than 100 publications - and growing - are using recycled paper. You can see a complete list at: <a href="http://www.coopamerica.org/programs/woodwise/publishers/magazines/heroes.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.coopamerica.org/programs/woodwise/publishers/m .... <p>
I'm all for promoting environmental awareness, but I think that there should be special mention made of those magazines that are producing a quality publication and doing so in an environmentally and socially responsible manner.<p>
-Frank</p></p></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Green Magazines<p>I think that it is great that more and more glossy magazines are doing "green" issues to raise awareness among their readers. However, at times it can be as disconcerting as a "Stop Global Warming" bumper-sticker on an SUV.<p>
With the possible exception of Outside magazine, none of the magazines that you highlighted use any recycled content at all. Probably the largest circulation mainstream magazine to use recycled paper is Shape, and they get no mention at all.<p>
Out of about 18,000 magazine titles in the US, only slightly more than 100 publications - and growing - are using recycled paper. You can see a complete list at: <a href="http://www.coopamerica.org/programs/woodwise/publishers/magazines/heroes.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.coopamerica.org/programs/woodwise/publishers/m .... <p>
I'm all for promoting environmental awareness, but I think that there should be special mention made of those magazines that are producing a quality publication and doing so in an environmentally and socially responsible manner.<p>
-Frank</p></p></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Locantore</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 07:10:24 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Vanity Fair does it again...green issue<p>Is Vanity Fair printing its magazine, or the "Green" issue on recycled paper?<p>
I congratulated VF for doing such a great job with raising awareness with the Green issue last year, and I offered to help the publishers begin using recycled paper (My project: <a href="http://www.magazinepaper.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.magazinepaper.org). <p>
I'm still willing to help.<p>
-Frank Locantore<br>
Magazine PAPER Project director</br></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Vanity Fair does it again...green issue<p>Is Vanity Fair printing its magazine, or the "Green" issue on recycled paper?<p>
I congratulated VF for doing such a great job with raising awareness with the Green issue last year, and I offered to help the publishers begin using recycled paper (My project: <a href="http://www.magazinepaper.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.magazinepaper.org). <p>
I'm still willing to help.<p>
-Frank Locantore<br>
Magazine PAPER Project director</br></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by garthmoore</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 21:35:03 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Read online or buy recycled</strong></p><p>We should completely honor magazines trying to make a difference by using recycled stock. Frank, do you have a list of these magazines? I would be interested to see who is on there. </p><p>
I also subscribe to more online magazines. I know, the energy resources used in posting them may/may not be negligible. But, it's a start. </p>
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				<p><strong>Read online or buy recycled</strong></p><p>We should completely honor magazines trying to make a difference by using recycled stock. Frank, do you have a list of these magazines? I would be interested to see who is on there. </p><p>
I also subscribe to more online magazines. I know, the energy resources used in posting them may/may not be negligible. But, it's a start. </p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by Locantore</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 05:32:26 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Magazine Leaders<p>Here is the listing of the magazines that we know of using environmentally responsible paper: <a href="http://www.coopamerica.org/programs/woodwise/publishers/magazines/heroes.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.coopamerica.org/programs/woodwise/publishers/m ... <p>
However, after postings like these, and at "Folio: magazine" (<a href="http://foliomag.com/viewmedia.asp?prmMID=7548" rel="nofollow">http://foliomag.com/viewmedia.asp?prmMID=7548), we hear from other publications telling us that they are on recycled paper. It's kind of tough keeping up with 18K different titles in the US. If you know of others, let me know.<p>
Also, please feel free to write to these magazines to congratulate them on their leadership in this area. Regardless of the percent recycled that they use, the fact that they are using recycled in an industry that has not yet embraced stewardship is a huge deal.<p>
-Frank</p></p></a></p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Magazine Leaders<p>Here is the listing of the magazines that we know of using environmentally responsible paper: <a href="http://www.coopamerica.org/programs/woodwise/publishers/magazines/heroes.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.coopamerica.org/programs/woodwise/publishers/m ... <p>
However, after postings like these, and at "Folio: magazine" (<a href="http://foliomag.com/viewmedia.asp?prmMID=7548" rel="nofollow">http://foliomag.com/viewmedia.asp?prmMID=7548), we hear from other publications telling us that they are on recycled paper. It's kind of tough keeping up with 18K different titles in the US. If you know of others, let me know.<p>
Also, please feel free to write to these magazines to congratulate them on their leadership in this area. Regardless of the percent recycled that they use, the fact that they are using recycled in an industry that has not yet embraced stewardship is a huge deal.<p>
-Frank</p></p></a></p></a></p></strong></p>
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