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            <title>Comment #1 by Karen Lee Orr</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:22:15 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Burning the planet for rock tours</strong></p><p>Regarding entertainers who still tout burning the planet to fill their tour bus fuel tanks with agrofuel.....</p><p>
There is no good excuse for being this ignorant at this point. &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>Burning the planet for rock tours</strong></p><p>Regarding entertainers who still tout burning the planet to fill their tour bus fuel tanks with agrofuel.....</p><p>
There is no good excuse for being this ignorant at this point. &nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by seamusenright</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:28:24 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>lightbulbs!</strong></p><p>Did anyone find the emphasis on lightbulbs a bit annoying? sure, energy-efficient lightbulbs are great but the idea that people are doing their bit by using them and can carry on driving SUVs and taking flights and buying stuff they don't need from China is laughable.</p>
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				<p><strong>lightbulbs!</strong></p><p>Did anyone find the emphasis on lightbulbs a bit annoying? sure, energy-efficient lightbulbs are great but the idea that people are doing their bit by using them and can carry on driving SUVs and taking flights and buying stuff they don't need from China is laughable.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Nerethel</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:08:14 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Lightbulb - the icon of good ideas</strong></p><p>Actually, the lightbulb thing, I believe, is a wonderful idea. Sure, saving a few bucks a year in energy costs isn't that dramatic, but the act of changing the lightbulb, one of the simplest acts one can perform, acts as a sort of 'gateway drug' for further environmentalism. </p><p>
Once I switched over to CFLs, I started asking myself how I could do more, including buying a water heater jacket for better insulation, being more vigilant about my thermostat, instending to bike more, etc. All this stuff is simple, but I intend to take it further. The hope is that more people who change a lightbulb will get the same bright idea.</p><p>
Hopefully this idea is what will prompt personal research and education about the issues (what the US seems to lack terribly), and get people away from the 'greenwashed' ideas like agro-fuels and 'clean coal'. </p><p>
Nerethel<br>
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				<p><strong>Lightbulb - the icon of good ideas</strong></p><p>Actually, the lightbulb thing, I believe, is a wonderful idea. Sure, saving a few bucks a year in energy costs isn't that dramatic, but the act of changing the lightbulb, one of the simplest acts one can perform, acts as a sort of 'gateway drug' for further environmentalism. </p><p>
Once I switched over to CFLs, I started asking myself how I could do more, including buying a water heater jacket for better insulation, being more vigilant about my thermostat, instending to bike more, etc. All this stuff is simple, but I intend to take it further. The hope is that more people who change a lightbulb will get the same bright idea.</p><p>
Hopefully this idea is what will prompt personal research and education about the issues (what the US seems to lack terribly), and get people away from the 'greenwashed' ideas like agro-fuels and 'clean coal'. </p><p>
Nerethel<br>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Karen Lee Orr</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/live_earth2/</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:48:42 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Mercury in Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs<p>Compact fluorescent light bulbs contaminate the environment with 30,000 pounds of mercury each year according to this News Target report:<br>
<a href="http://www.newstarget.com/021907.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newstarget.com/021907.html</a></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Mercury in Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs<p>Compact fluorescent light bulbs contaminate the environment with 30,000 pounds of mercury each year according to this News Target report:<br>
<a href="http://www.newstarget.com/021907.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newstarget.com/021907.html</a></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by amnoelle</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/live_earth2/</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:05:50 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Good for you!</strong></p><p>In response to Nerethel, I completely agree with your stance on lightbulbs. &nbsp;I feel that as environmentalists we sometimes expect too much. &nbsp;By that I mean that we expect/want people to completely change their lives overnight. &nbsp;As much as we would all like to see things change as quickly as possible, some people are going to be resistant to this change especially if we tell them that they need to buy a new car, get solar panels on their houses, reinsulate their homes, only eat organic, locally grown foods, etc. &nbsp;For those people who are inspired to make these changes, you're AWESOME! &nbsp;But, I think we have to be a little patient with some of those who are resistant. &nbsp;Any change is good change. &nbsp;Think about what a difference it would make if we could get every household in America, or a state, or even one city to use CFL's. &nbsp;It would be a huge help. &nbsp;As Nerethal said, once people make small changes and realize the impact, they're more willing and more excited to try to do more. &nbsp;Do I think that we should just focus on small stuff and forget about the bigger issues? &nbsp;No way, but I do think that we should encourage people in anyway that we can to make green choices, even if they're small ones.<br>
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				<p><strong>Good for you!</strong></p><p>In response to Nerethel, I completely agree with your stance on lightbulbs. &nbsp;I feel that as environmentalists we sometimes expect too much. &nbsp;By that I mean that we expect/want people to completely change their lives overnight. &nbsp;As much as we would all like to see things change as quickly as possible, some people are going to be resistant to this change especially if we tell them that they need to buy a new car, get solar panels on their houses, reinsulate their homes, only eat organic, locally grown foods, etc. &nbsp;For those people who are inspired to make these changes, you're AWESOME! &nbsp;But, I think we have to be a little patient with some of those who are resistant. &nbsp;Any change is good change. &nbsp;Think about what a difference it would make if we could get every household in America, or a state, or even one city to use CFL's. &nbsp;It would be a huge help. &nbsp;As Nerethal said, once people make small changes and realize the impact, they're more willing and more excited to try to do more. &nbsp;Do I think that we should just focus on small stuff and forget about the bigger issues? &nbsp;No way, but I do think that we should encourage people in anyway that we can to make green choices, even if they're small ones.<br>
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            <title>Comment #6 by arob</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:24:10 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Re: Mercury<p>Coal-fired power plants produce 40% of mercury emissions in the US. &nbsp;Because converting to CFL's cause less coal to be consumed in power plants, net mercury emissions decrease (<a href="http://www.nema.org/lamprecycle/epafactsheet-cfl.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nema.org/lamprecycle/epafactsheet-cfl.pdf)(of course assuming your electricity is generated by coal). &nbsp;Also, CFL's can be recycled. &nbsp;Earth911.org would have the info on that. &nbsp;Finally, manufacturers are working on creating bulbs with less mercury. &nbsp;I read an article on a new low-mercury bulb somewhere but I can't remember where. &nbsp;So although it's a pretty small thing you shouldn't get too excited about, switching to CFL's does mostly have a positive impact on the environment.</a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Re: Mercury<p>Coal-fired power plants produce 40% of mercury emissions in the US. &nbsp;Because converting to CFL's cause less coal to be consumed in power plants, net mercury emissions decrease (<a href="http://www.nema.org/lamprecycle/epafactsheet-cfl.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nema.org/lamprecycle/epafactsheet-cfl.pdf)(of course assuming your electricity is generated by coal). &nbsp;Also, CFL's can be recycled. &nbsp;Earth911.org would have the info on that. &nbsp;Finally, manufacturers are working on creating bulbs with less mercury. &nbsp;I read an article on a new low-mercury bulb somewhere but I can't remember where. &nbsp;So although it's a pretty small thing you shouldn't get too excited about, switching to CFL's does mostly have a positive impact on the environment.</a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:32:48 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Cellos For Climate<p><br>
Hey, I wasn't there...but did they invite Rasputina to LE! ?<p>
Based on their song 1816, they should've:<p>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh_Perilous_World%21" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh_Perilous_World%21<p>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer<p>
Speaking of which...the Skeptics Guide spends a lot of time circum-explaining heat rises before the big industrialization of human society.<p>
But what they NEVER explain is how the Little Ice Age could have started if temperature was CO2 dependent. &nbsp; I mean, what could have decreased CO2 from 1300 to 1862? &nbsp; Wasn't population growing? &nbsp;Burning more wood? &nbsp;Coal? &nbsp; Oil lamps? </p></p></a></p></a></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Cellos For Climate<p><br>
Hey, I wasn't there...but did they invite Rasputina to LE! ?<p>
Based on their song 1816, they should've:<p>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh_Perilous_World%21" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh_Perilous_World%21<p>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer<p>
Speaking of which...the Skeptics Guide spends a lot of time circum-explaining heat rises before the big industrialization of human society.<p>
But what they NEVER explain is how the Little Ice Age could have started if temperature was CO2 dependent. &nbsp; I mean, what could have decreased CO2 from 1300 to 1862? &nbsp; Wasn't population growing? &nbsp;Burning more wood? &nbsp;Coal? &nbsp; Oil lamps? </p></p></a></p></a></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by Karen Lee Orr</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:46:51 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Mercury in CFLs<p>Arob,<p>
The article you're thinking of might be about LED bulbs that reportedly contain no mercury.<p>
Below is a link to an advertisement for a company that produces LEDs.<p>
<a href="http://www.betterlifegoods.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=LED%2DCAT21417" rel="nofollow">http://www.betterlifegoods.com/ProductDetails.asp?Product ...<p>
More info on mercury in CFLs here:<p>
Breaking a compact fluorescent light bulb could cost you $2,000 in toxic mercury cleanup<br>
While large-scale marketing efforts tout cost savings of compact fluorescent light bulbs (CFLs), few are explaining the real cost -- to the environment and to individuals -- of broken or discarded CFLs. One consumer has learned that accidentally breaking...<p>
<a href="http://www.newstarget.com/021916.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newstarget.com/021916.html</a></p></br></p></p></a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Mercury in CFLs<p>Arob,<p>
The article you're thinking of might be about LED bulbs that reportedly contain no mercury.<p>
Below is a link to an advertisement for a company that produces LEDs.<p>
<a href="http://www.betterlifegoods.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=LED%2DCAT21417" rel="nofollow">http://www.betterlifegoods.com/ProductDetails.asp?Product ...<p>
More info on mercury in CFLs here:<p>
Breaking a compact fluorescent light bulb could cost you $2,000 in toxic mercury cleanup<br>
While large-scale marketing efforts tout cost savings of compact fluorescent light bulbs (CFLs), few are explaining the real cost -- to the environment and to individuals -- of broken or discarded CFLs. One consumer has learned that accidentally breaking...<p>
<a href="http://www.newstarget.com/021916.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newstarget.com/021916.html</a></p></br></p></p></a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:43:26 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>What's With All The &quot;Live&quot; Stuff?</strong></p><p><br>
It figures that Al Gore and the other power elites would put their lot in with Microsoft.</p><p>
Live Earth!<br>
Microsoft Live! search engine.</p><p>
Doesn't it just figure? &nbsp; And of course it was hosted on MSN and the site told you to use an IE7 Browser, and that you have to have Windows Media player.</p><p>
More convinced than ever that the whole Warming thing is just a marketing ploy. &nbsp; &nbsp;Hell, Steve Balmer would turn his 18 burner patio bar-b-que grill on full CO2 spewing throttle if he could sell a few more Vista licenses.<br>
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				<p><strong>What's With All The &quot;Live&quot; Stuff?</strong></p><p><br>
It figures that Al Gore and the other power elites would put their lot in with Microsoft.</p><p>
Live Earth!<br>
Microsoft Live! search engine.</p><p>
Doesn't it just figure? &nbsp; And of course it was hosted on MSN and the site told you to use an IE7 Browser, and that you have to have Windows Media player.</p><p>
More convinced than ever that the whole Warming thing is just a marketing ploy. &nbsp; &nbsp;Hell, Steve Balmer would turn his 18 burner patio bar-b-que grill on full CO2 spewing throttle if he could sell a few more Vista licenses.<br>
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            <title>Comment #10 by Greta</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:14:04 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>What? Microsoft conspiracy?</strong></p><p>Uh, Al Gore is on the Board of Directors of Apple. &nbsp;Makes your Microsoft conspiracy (yawn) a bit tenuous.</p>
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				<p><strong>What? Microsoft conspiracy?</strong></p><p>Uh, Al Gore is on the Board of Directors of Apple. &nbsp;Makes your Microsoft conspiracy (yawn) a bit tenuous.</p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by Greta</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:18:40 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Alternate theory</strong></p><p>Al Gore seems to really be enjoying his celebrity status and hanging with the cool crowd. &nbsp;But, can't help wondering if he was not also rocking the vote at Live Earth. &nbsp;</p><p>
I certainly hope it turns out that he was leveraging this opportunity...a brillant (and fairly stealthy) campaign strategy.</p><p>
And, if true, his inaugeral speech should begin: "Suckers!" (wink wink)</p>
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				<p><strong>Alternate theory</strong></p><p>Al Gore seems to really be enjoying his celebrity status and hanging with the cool crowd. &nbsp;But, can't help wondering if he was not also rocking the vote at Live Earth. &nbsp;</p><p>
I certainly hope it turns out that he was leveraging this opportunity...a brillant (and fairly stealthy) campaign strategy.</p><p>
And, if true, his inaugeral speech should begin: "Suckers!" (wink wink)</p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by amc89</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:28:08 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Video about diet and global warming<p>I think it's pretty cool that the NY Live Earth show played this public service announcement about the link between meat consumption, livestock methane emmissions, and global warming. Check it out:<p>
<a href="http://entimg.msn.com/i/ExperienceData/p1-7/us/x.htm?sh=LiveEarth&amp;g=33238f2d-bde9-43c7-80b5-72a85f345322" rel="nofollow">http://entimg.msn.com/i/ExperienceData/p1-7/us/x.htm?sh=L ...</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Video about diet and global warming<p>I think it's pretty cool that the NY Live Earth show played this public service announcement about the link between meat consumption, livestock methane emmissions, and global warming. Check it out:<p>
<a href="http://entimg.msn.com/i/ExperienceData/p1-7/us/x.htm?sh=LiveEarth&amp;g=33238f2d-bde9-43c7-80b5-72a85f345322" rel="nofollow">http://entimg.msn.com/i/ExperienceData/p1-7/us/x.htm?sh=L ...</a></p></p></strong></p>
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