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            <title>Comment #1 by farnishk</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:51:05 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Nice Idea, Little Effect<p>One of the first articles I ever wrote (in March 2006) was called <a href="http://earth-blog.bravejournal.com/entry/14979" rel="nofollow">Why The Public Won't Change. It could have been written for Live Earth:<p>
"In 40 years, the modern environmental movement has singularly failed to engage the public in having an awareness of environmental issues beyond that which stirs their interest in the short term."<p>
"But what does this demand of the public? A day out in a party atmosphere (would there have been half as many if it had rained?) and some banner waving, with no follow up required and no change in lifestyle demanded....Exactly the same applies to the G8 protests : G8 decided not to change their policies. The public had a nice day. The government didn't feel threatened."<p>
No one watching or attending Live Earth actually has to change anything to enjoy the show. Shortly afterwards you will see a return in attitudes to pre-Live Earth, and the memories will be of the great performance by Razorlight, The Police or whoever.<p>
Don't get me wrong - the web site is excellent, and the aims are valiant - but I think this comment from a member of a band (playing at Live Earth) forum sums up a common view:<p>
"I'm going! <b>I'll be travelling all the way around the world from Scotland to Sydney to see Crowded House return to the city where they ended it all those years ago. <p>
"I was gutted to find out that they are playing in Scotland but I'd already be on the plane heading south. Imagine my delight when I discovered that when I'm in Brisbane, they'd be down the road in Sydney."<p>
Keith Farnish<br>
<a href="http://www.theearthblog.org" rel="nofollow">www.theearthblog.org<br>
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				<p><strong>Nice Idea, Little Effect<p>One of the first articles I ever wrote (in March 2006) was called <a href="http://earth-blog.bravejournal.com/entry/14979" rel="nofollow">Why The Public Won't Change. It could have been written for Live Earth:<p>
"In 40 years, the modern environmental movement has singularly failed to engage the public in having an awareness of environmental issues beyond that which stirs their interest in the short term."<p>
"But what does this demand of the public? A day out in a party atmosphere (would there have been half as many if it had rained?) and some banner waving, with no follow up required and no change in lifestyle demanded....Exactly the same applies to the G8 protests : G8 decided not to change their policies. The public had a nice day. The government didn't feel threatened."<p>
No one watching or attending Live Earth actually has to change anything to enjoy the show. Shortly afterwards you will see a return in attitudes to pre-Live Earth, and the memories will be of the great performance by Razorlight, The Police or whoever.<p>
Don't get me wrong - the web site is excellent, and the aims are valiant - but I think this comment from a member of a band (playing at Live Earth) forum sums up a common view:<p>
"I'm going! <b>I'll be travelling all the way around the world from Scotland to Sydney to see Crowded House return to the city where they ended it all those years ago. <p>
"I was gutted to find out that they are playing in Scotland but I'd already be on the plane heading south. Imagine my delight when I discovered that when I'm in Brisbane, they'd be down the road in Sydney."<p>
Keith Farnish<br>
<a href="http://www.theearthblog.org" rel="nofollow">www.theearthblog.org<br>
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            <title>Comment #2 by zacaroni</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 02:50:06 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Changing minds, changing lifestyles</strong></p><p>Let's look at this concert for what it is: an advertisement (or PR stunt) for the green movement. The question is: does it work? &nbsp;And is it a good thing?</p><p>
At this point, advertising only works in one context: materialism and vanity. If you are trying to sell someone on a certain religion (the green religion), worldview, or type of lifestyle, you cannot do it unless you appeal to a person's vanity, sense of identity, need for fulfillment, etc. In other words, sell them something first. "That car is green? &nbsp;I want one! Then everyone can see that I am that type of person."</p><p>
Rock concerts like this one are no different. They are selling an identity to the audience, and the audience wants the identity - not the ideas being praised, but the identity that comes with the ownership of the ideas. Greenness is now a material thing to be had: just as Bono's (RED) campaign plays off of rampant materialism and peoples' vanity, so Live Earth manipulates rock fans into adopting an image that reflects "greenness." &nbsp;</p><p>
So, yes, this concert is successful advertising. &nbsp;But is advertising a good thing?</p><p>
Unfortunately, all advertisments are successful only in the short term. Advertising is based on an industrial system that values quick profits and efficiency instead of sustainable profits and effectiveness - its method of persuasion must be quick, neatly packaged, and simplistic. Our culture, now saturated with advertising and materialism, has come to function in a way that reflects this ethic: we can fight global warming by campaigning against it, by appealing to your need to define your identity, by using simplistic, packaged solutions. And, like advertising, you will forget about these ideas just as quickly as they came. &nbsp;</p><p>
Truely convincing someone cannot be done with advertising tactics. It cannot be done by appealing to their materialistic nature. Truely changing one's mind and lifestyle is a process, not an event. It takes challenge, not fundraising. It takes a conversation, not a rock song. And, most importantly, it takes action - real action: personal action. This is to say, nothing about a rock concert or a pledge gets people to begin a new routine. One simply has to <strong>start</strong> living differently - not just think about it, sing about it, pledge about it, or go to a rock concert about it! &nbsp;Even small steps, if employed, are better than backwards steps and big thinking.</p><p>
Let's be skeptical for a moment and consider this event for what it is: just a show. &nbsp;<br>
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				<p><strong>Changing minds, changing lifestyles</strong></p><p>Let's look at this concert for what it is: an advertisement (or PR stunt) for the green movement. The question is: does it work? &nbsp;And is it a good thing?</p><p>
At this point, advertising only works in one context: materialism and vanity. If you are trying to sell someone on a certain religion (the green religion), worldview, or type of lifestyle, you cannot do it unless you appeal to a person's vanity, sense of identity, need for fulfillment, etc. In other words, sell them something first. "That car is green? &nbsp;I want one! Then everyone can see that I am that type of person."</p><p>
Rock concerts like this one are no different. They are selling an identity to the audience, and the audience wants the identity - not the ideas being praised, but the identity that comes with the ownership of the ideas. Greenness is now a material thing to be had: just as Bono's (RED) campaign plays off of rampant materialism and peoples' vanity, so Live Earth manipulates rock fans into adopting an image that reflects "greenness." &nbsp;</p><p>
So, yes, this concert is successful advertising. &nbsp;But is advertising a good thing?</p><p>
Unfortunately, all advertisments are successful only in the short term. Advertising is based on an industrial system that values quick profits and efficiency instead of sustainable profits and effectiveness - its method of persuasion must be quick, neatly packaged, and simplistic. Our culture, now saturated with advertising and materialism, has come to function in a way that reflects this ethic: we can fight global warming by campaigning against it, by appealing to your need to define your identity, by using simplistic, packaged solutions. And, like advertising, you will forget about these ideas just as quickly as they came. &nbsp;</p><p>
Truely convincing someone cannot be done with advertising tactics. It cannot be done by appealing to their materialistic nature. Truely changing one's mind and lifestyle is a process, not an event. It takes challenge, not fundraising. It takes a conversation, not a rock song. And, most importantly, it takes action - real action: personal action. This is to say, nothing about a rock concert or a pledge gets people to begin a new routine. One simply has to <strong>start</strong> living differently - not just think about it, sing about it, pledge about it, or go to a rock concert about it! &nbsp;Even small steps, if employed, are better than backwards steps and big thinking.</p><p>
Let's be skeptical for a moment and consider this event for what it is: just a show. &nbsp;<br>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 03:59:19 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Public B Smart<p><br>
The public ain't no fool.<p>
We know they are holding back on us.

<p>John Bailo<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Public B Smart<p><br>
The public ain't no fool.<p>
We know they are holding back on us.

<p>John Bailo<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by taekwonjer</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:20:47 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Can we evaluate Live Earth from a total cost view?<p>Is the cost of publicising the cause of environmentally responsible behaviour reason enough to look at these events from a total cost perspective. Can I accept damage today if in return 100,000 people decide to make the small changes necessary to offset my actions and provide greater benefitetc. It comes close to undermining you principles but also shows a Real Politik thats often the best way to getting results. Tricky question. &nbsp;<p>
Good posting from the Beeb about these concerts<br>
:<br>
<a href="http://giftofireland.com/Siteblog/" rel="nofollow">http://giftofireland.com/Siteblog/</a></br></br></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Can we evaluate Live Earth from a total cost view?<p>Is the cost of publicising the cause of environmentally responsible behaviour reason enough to look at these events from a total cost perspective. Can I accept damage today if in return 100,000 people decide to make the small changes necessary to offset my actions and provide greater benefitetc. It comes close to undermining you principles but also shows a Real Politik thats often the best way to getting results. Tricky question. &nbsp;<p>
Good posting from the Beeb about these concerts<br>
:<br>
<a href="http://giftofireland.com/Siteblog/" rel="nofollow">http://giftofireland.com/Siteblog/</a></br></br></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by dandan</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:47:21 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Live Earth</strong></p><p>I am wanting to start a worrld wide effort to promote pro-life ! We could call it "Life Yes Life or something".<br>
Anyone out there feel the same?<br>
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				<p><strong>Live Earth</strong></p><p>I am wanting to start a worrld wide effort to promote pro-life ! We could call it "Life Yes Life or something".<br>
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