<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Swing-vote Democrats explain why they oppose the Climate Security Act]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by randino http://www.grist.org/article/letter-it-all-out/ Mon, 09 Jun 2008 05:34:57 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/letter-it-all-out/1 This is why we should

not look upon a future Democratic Congress and White House as being the day of our deliverance on the climate front. It will be a day I will work my ass off for, but I am not expecting mana from heaven.

In fact, the people who made up this list might be a foretaste of the future of opposition to climate change legislation. Instead of the science denying neanderthals we are used to dealing with, we might find even more trouble with people who know that climate change is a problem - but they are still not going to do anything about it! My trust level is in the negative numbers since I am from Ohio. And the part about federal pre-emption of climate regulations? Can the populist crap. This is a gift to industry so that California can be restrained.

So, it is important to elect a Democratic government this fall. But it is even more important to build organizations on the local level, and grow them with tender loving care. Just in case our saviors don't end up being saviors after all. Lets not get fooled again.

Randy Cunningham
Cleveland, OH

Randy Cunningham


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not look upon a future Democratic Congress and White House as being the day of our deliverance on the climate front. It will be a day I will work my ass off for, but I am not expecting mana from heaven.

In fact, the people who made up this list might be a foretaste of the future of opposition to climate change legislation. Instead of the science denying neanderthals we are used to dealing with, we might find even more trouble with people who know that climate change is a problem - but they are still not going to do anything about it! My trust level is in the negative numbers since I am from Ohio. And the part about federal pre-emption of climate regulations? Can the populist crap. This is a gift to industry so that California can be restrained.

So, it is important to elect a Democratic government this fall. But it is even more important to build organizations on the local level, and grow them with tender loving care. Just in case our saviors don't end up being saviors after all. Lets not get fooled again.

Randy Cunningham
Cleveland, OH

Randy Cunningham


]]> Comment #2 by Sam Wells http://www.grist.org/article/letter-it-all-out/ Mon, 09 Jun 2008 05:58:53 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/letter-it-all-out/2 No Texans?

I was relieved to see no Texans on the "list of 10 perps."  Wow, hard to imagine that!

I think people are worried about the numbers, since there are CO2 (and methane and nitrous) emissions, the value of those permits in dollars per ton, the cost-effectiveness threshold, and what the valuation of the cap would be.  

For example, annual permit fees run about $25 per ton of VOC, CO, and NOx; the cost effectiveness threshold is $13,000 per ton, and credit are trading for about $11,000.  

But there's so much CO2 being released obviously those numbers would be one to three orders of magnitude lower.  If there is no "reasonableness" or "threshold" built into the system, a bunch of very bright permit engineers are going to lobby their bosses against such a system.  

So I guess they need some hand-holding, eh?  Folks, trust me, most of the Politicos don't know dookie about air permitting, and have little snappy terriers telling them what to think!

Onward through the fog

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I was relieved to see no Texans on the "list of 10 perps."  Wow, hard to imagine that!

I think people are worried about the numbers, since there are CO2 (and methane and nitrous) emissions, the value of those permits in dollars per ton, the cost-effectiveness threshold, and what the valuation of the cap would be.  

For example, annual permit fees run about $25 per ton of VOC, CO, and NOx; the cost effectiveness threshold is $13,000 per ton, and credit are trading for about $11,000.  

But there's so much CO2 being released obviously those numbers would be one to three orders of magnitude lower.  If there is no "reasonableness" or "threshold" built into the system, a bunch of very bright permit engineers are going to lobby their bosses against such a system.  

So I guess they need some hand-holding, eh?  Folks, trust me, most of the Politicos don't know dookie about air permitting, and have little snappy terriers telling them what to think!

Onward through the fog

]]> Comment #3 by Cacaoatl http://www.grist.org/article/letter-it-all-out/ Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:04:49 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/letter-it-all-out/3 Pure Selfishness

It's just pure selfishness. Selfishness is what is at the heart of all our environmental problems from air pollution to climate change. These ten senators opposed the bill because their constituents (read automakers, coal companies) were going to have make sacrifices.

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It's just pure selfishness. Selfishness is what is at the heart of all our environmental problems from air pollution to climate change. These ten senators opposed the bill because their constituents (read automakers, coal companies) were going to have make sacrifices.

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