<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for California passes cap-and-trade bill]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by LegumeSam http://www.grist.org/article/let-the-carbon-capping-begin/ Thu, 31 Aug 2006 02:47:43 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/let-the-carbon-capping-begin/1 this won't work, either

Even nations which enforce the Kyoto Protocol can't seem to keep their capitalist businesses from their desire to burn every last drop of Earth's cheap oil.  

http://ecosocialism.blogspot.com/

]]> this won't work, either

Even nations which enforce the Kyoto Protocol can't seem to keep their capitalist businesses from their desire to burn every last drop of Earth's cheap oil.  

http://ecosocialism.blogspot.com/

]]> Comment #2 by sunflower http://www.grist.org/article/let-the-carbon-capping-begin/ Thu, 31 Aug 2006 03:39:53 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/let-the-carbon-capping-begin/2 California Succeeds

This bill is not about the extinction of oil, its about the extinction of human civilization.  Its slows the extinction of oil and hopefully will block the expansion of coal.  It is about humanity.

California (and NYC) have been leaders of North American culture, and industry.  This will give California a huge economic advantage when U.S. carbon caps become federal law.

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This bill is not about the extinction of oil, its about the extinction of human civilization.  Its slows the extinction of oil and hopefully will block the expansion of coal.  It is about humanity.

California (and NYC) have been leaders of North American culture, and industry.  This will give California a huge economic advantage when U.S. carbon caps become federal law.

]]> Comment #3 by miles44 http://www.grist.org/article/let-the-carbon-capping-begin/ Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:33:38 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/let-the-carbon-capping-begin/3 good timing!

This news comes in especially stark contrast to the Bush administration's foot-dragging on wind power ...
http://www.commondreams.org/news2006/0824-11.htm

http://thegreenmiles.blogspot.com


]]> good timing!

This news comes in especially stark contrast to the Bush administration's foot-dragging on wind power ...
http://www.commondreams.org/news2006/0824-11.htm

http://thegreenmiles.blogspot.com


]]> Comment #4 by Bikechess http://www.grist.org/article/let-the-carbon-capping-begin/ Thu, 31 Aug 2006 05:31:23 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/let-the-carbon-capping-begin/4 It will be interesting to see this in action

The big question to me is enforcement.  And this comes down to fees.  How much will businesses be charged if they don't meet their targets?  Will be it be framed in terms of dollars per ton of CO2 or a flat fee?

]]> It will be interesting to see this in action

The big question to me is enforcement.  And this comes down to fees.  How much will businesses be charged if they don't meet their targets?  Will be it be framed in terms of dollars per ton of CO2 or a flat fee?

]]> Comment #5 by Tod http://www.grist.org/article/let-the-carbon-capping-begin/ Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:30:47 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/let-the-carbon-capping-begin/5 It's bullshit

No bill coming out of an agreement between Dems and Republicans is going to have any real teeth. Neither party is committed to doing anything real about climate change, at least not in a timely fashion. More smoke to ensure that Arnold gets a realistic shot at holding his office and that Democrats are seen as "tough on polluters."

If you believe this is a big step, you likely believe that MoveOn has anything to do with moving the Democrats to the left.

"Because the world doesn't matter if you don't have the strength to go ahead and choose something that's really true." - Julio Cortazar, Hopscotch

]]> It's bullshit

No bill coming out of an agreement between Dems and Republicans is going to have any real teeth. Neither party is committed to doing anything real about climate change, at least not in a timely fashion. More smoke to ensure that Arnold gets a realistic shot at holding his office and that Democrats are seen as "tough on polluters."

If you believe this is a big step, you likely believe that MoveOn has anything to do with moving the Democrats to the left.

"Because the world doesn't matter if you don't have the strength to go ahead and choose something that's really true." - Julio Cortazar, Hopscotch

]]> Comment #6 by LegumeSam http://www.grist.org/article/let-the-carbon-capping-begin/ Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:04:32 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/let-the-carbon-capping-begin/6 It all boils down, once again, to...

Jevons' Paradox...

(especially the part where Foster argues:Insofar as Jevons' paradox continues to apply to us today--that is, insofar as technology by itself (given the present framework of production) offers no way out of our environmental dilemmas, which generally increase with the scale of the economy--we must either adopt Jevons' conclusion or pursue an alternative that Jevons never discussed and which doubtless never entered his mind: the transformation of the social relations of production in the direction of socialism, a society governed not by the search for profit but by peoples' genuine needs, and the requirements of socio-ecological sustainability.)

http://ecosocialism.blogspot.com/

]]> It all boils down, once again, to...

Jevons' Paradox...

(especially the part where Foster argues:Insofar as Jevons' paradox continues to apply to us today--that is, insofar as technology by itself (given the present framework of production) offers no way out of our environmental dilemmas, which generally increase with the scale of the economy--we must either adopt Jevons' conclusion or pursue an alternative that Jevons never discussed and which doubtless never entered his mind: the transformation of the social relations of production in the direction of socialism, a society governed not by the search for profit but by peoples' genuine needs, and the requirements of socio-ecological sustainability.)

http://ecosocialism.blogspot.com/

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