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            <title>Comment #1 by Chris Schults</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:20:55 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>A good post<p>Wow, lots to read! During a quick scan, I enjoyed <a href="http://nomoregas.blogspot.com/2006/07/day-15-what-feels-lonelier-out-of-town.html" rel="nofollow">this one:<p>
Day 15: What feels lonelier?<br><br>Out-of-town friends stopped by last night on their way to St. Louis. While discussing my no-car project, someone said I should go without the Internet after I'm finished.<br><br>No way. That's where I talk to old friends, get my news and check the weather. Beside, it seems to me the damaging environmental and social effects of cars hardly compares with computers. Or does it?<br><br>Hands down, one said, the Internet would go before her car. She said she'd feel isolated without her car.<br><br>What's funny is I felt isolated with one. It seems to me they're designed that way.

<p>Look out! It's a <a href="/?op=search&amp;offset=0&amp;old_count=30story&amp;string=media+shower&amp;search=Search&amp;count=30" rel="nofollow">media shower!</a></p></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>A good post<p>Wow, lots to read! During a quick scan, I enjoyed <a href="http://nomoregas.blogspot.com/2006/07/day-15-what-feels-lonelier-out-of-town.html" rel="nofollow">this one:<p>
Day 15: What feels lonelier?<br><br>Out-of-town friends stopped by last night on their way to St. Louis. While discussing my no-car project, someone said I should go without the Internet after I'm finished.<br><br>No way. That's where I talk to old friends, get my news and check the weather. Beside, it seems to me the damaging environmental and social effects of cars hardly compares with computers. Or does it?<br><br>Hands down, one said, the Internet would go before her car. She said she'd feel isolated without her car.<br><br>What's funny is I felt isolated with one. It seems to me they're designed that way.

<p>Look out! It's a <a href="/?op=search&amp;offset=0&amp;old_count=30story&amp;string=media+shower&amp;search=Search&amp;count=30" rel="nofollow">media shower!</a></p></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by rsmithiwu</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 04:15:30 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>No bikepaths!</strong></p><p>I'm from Danvers, a tiny town a few miles from Normal, IL. &nbsp;So I was shocked and pleasantly surprised to see this blog. &nbsp;And I can attest to the difficulty of navigating that town sans-car. &nbsp;Way to go, Christine!</p>
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				<p><strong>No bikepaths!</strong></p><p>I'm from Danvers, a tiny town a few miles from Normal, IL. &nbsp;So I was shocked and pleasantly surprised to see this blog. &nbsp;And I can attest to the difficulty of navigating that town sans-car. &nbsp;Way to go, Christine!</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by serial catowner</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:44:50 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>A word to the wise</strong></p><p>It may not be intuitively obvious, but it is a lot easier to live without a car if you plan to do that when you choose where you will live.</p>
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				<p><strong>A word to the wise</strong></p><p>It may not be intuitively obvious, but it is a lot easier to live without a car if you plan to do that when you choose where you will live.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by aquacura</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:46:30 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I agree: internet before car<p>My feelings exactly, Christine. &nbsp;I am working on a project that I call Building for the End of Oil. &nbsp;I will be developing homes here in central Pennsylvania that fit into today's economy, and that will move through the oil-depletion transition reasonably smoothly. &nbsp;When I think about where we will be on the other side, I summarize it as 19th century with the internet (and refrigerators). &nbsp;See my blog at <a href="http://www.aquacura.com/blog" rel="nofollow">http://www.aquacura.com/blog for more thoughts.

<p>Dave Sheridan</p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>I agree: internet before car<p>My feelings exactly, Christine. &nbsp;I am working on a project that I call Building for the End of Oil. &nbsp;I will be developing homes here in central Pennsylvania that fit into today's economy, and that will move through the oil-depletion transition reasonably smoothly. &nbsp;When I think about where we will be on the other side, I summarize it as 19th century with the internet (and refrigerators). &nbsp;See my blog at <a href="http://www.aquacura.com/blog" rel="nofollow">http://www.aquacura.com/blog for more thoughts.

<p>Dave Sheridan</p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by bgfranco</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:40:19 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>without a car and still have a life.....</strong></p><p>I'm looking to move in a couple of years, out of the big city. &nbsp;My plan will include researching public transportation before I move anywhere. &nbsp;I will not be tied to my car. &nbsp;One comment is true, the car does isolate you. &nbsp;Its like everyone walking around with headsets on - no communication. &nbsp;The bus, train, etc. is cheaper, more fun, more adventurous and never, ever dull. &nbsp;I also have stopped accepting plastic bags in the market and carry my own canvas bags. &nbsp;Now if I could just find some with drop-down wheels on them, I'd be set. &nbsp;there is inspiration in Christine's story and we can make it our own, if we but try it. &nbsp;And who says we have to be in a race all the time?</p>
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				<p><strong>without a car and still have a life.....</strong></p><p>I'm looking to move in a couple of years, out of the big city. &nbsp;My plan will include researching public transportation before I move anywhere. &nbsp;I will not be tied to my car. &nbsp;One comment is true, the car does isolate you. &nbsp;Its like everyone walking around with headsets on - no communication. &nbsp;The bus, train, etc. is cheaper, more fun, more adventurous and never, ever dull. &nbsp;I also have stopped accepting plastic bags in the market and carry my own canvas bags. &nbsp;Now if I could just find some with drop-down wheels on them, I'd be set. &nbsp;there is inspiration in Christine's story and we can make it our own, if we but try it. &nbsp;And who says we have to be in a race all the time?</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by indigogurl</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:57:59 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>for the geography-challenged</strong></p><p>uh, normal is not a suburb. it's one of 2 conjoined college towns out in the cornfields</p>
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				<p><strong>for the geography-challenged</strong></p><p>uh, normal is not a suburb. it's one of 2 conjoined college towns out in the cornfields</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by elisasmurray</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 06:05:16 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Car-less in Seattle<p>Alan Durning and family (wife and three kids) are trying a similar experiment in Seattle, living car-lessly for a year. He's writing about it on Sightline Institute's blog, touching on themes of the ride as currency of parenting; parents' fears vs. reality; how time is different on bush or foot; and planning the car-less vacation. Read the posts here: <a href="http://www.sightline.org/research/sprawl/res_pubs/durning-carless" rel="nofollow">http://www.sightline.org/research/sprawl/res_pubs/durning-carless<br>
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				<p><strong>Car-less in Seattle<p>Alan Durning and family (wife and three kids) are trying a similar experiment in Seattle, living car-lessly for a year. He's writing about it on Sightline Institute's blog, touching on themes of the ride as currency of parenting; parents' fears vs. reality; how time is different on bush or foot; and planning the car-less vacation. Read the posts here: <a href="http://www.sightline.org/research/sprawl/res_pubs/durning-carless" rel="nofollow">http://www.sightline.org/research/sprawl/res_pubs/durning-carless<br>
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            <title>Comment #8 by oystercatcher</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:16:05 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>about my bike and farmers markets</strong></p><p>Living near the beach (5-7 miles) and being an avid sailor, I have some toys that need to be transported and dread the day I have to haul things around without a car. &nbsp;I do toodle around on my folding bike with 20 inch wheels to the library and farmers market. &nbsp;Why just the other day I went to the pharmacy and library about 5 miles one way. <br>
Sadly when I came out of the library I had a flat rear tire and ended up walking the bike home about 2 miles on a muggy but pleasant afternoon. &nbsp;I replaced the tube with one of those having slime inside sure hope it works but considering that the old tire had 3 punctures from caltrops (pointy and very sharps seeds) I have my doubts. </p><p>
I go to the farmers market twice a week buying lots of locally grown fruit, vegetables and salad fixins. &nbsp;When I get home I wash up most everything but am appalled at myself for the number of plastic bags that I end up wasting. &nbsp;I need a reusable, washable, portable, sealable container for some fruits and vegetables. &nbsp;Tupperware probably wont cut it on the bike ride back from the market but it is a possibility.</br></p>
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				<p><strong>about my bike and farmers markets</strong></p><p>Living near the beach (5-7 miles) and being an avid sailor, I have some toys that need to be transported and dread the day I have to haul things around without a car. &nbsp;I do toodle around on my folding bike with 20 inch wheels to the library and farmers market. &nbsp;Why just the other day I went to the pharmacy and library about 5 miles one way. <br>
Sadly when I came out of the library I had a flat rear tire and ended up walking the bike home about 2 miles on a muggy but pleasant afternoon. &nbsp;I replaced the tube with one of those having slime inside sure hope it works but considering that the old tire had 3 punctures from caltrops (pointy and very sharps seeds) I have my doubts. </p><p>
I go to the farmers market twice a week buying lots of locally grown fruit, vegetables and salad fixins. &nbsp;When I get home I wash up most everything but am appalled at myself for the number of plastic bags that I end up wasting. &nbsp;I need a reusable, washable, portable, sealable container for some fruits and vegetables. &nbsp;Tupperware probably wont cut it on the bike ride back from the market but it is a possibility.</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by norascats</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:50:14 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Carless life</strong></p><p>When I lived in Queens, NY, I spent a year without a car. In a city which is known for it's public transportation, I found that I had to leave a lot of time for travelling, But I did a lot of reading.<br>
A trip that takes 20 min by car can take up to three hours by bus, depending on the routes. In Nyc, the focus is on getting to Manhattan quickly. Getting across town in the boroughs is a challenge.<br>
Now I live in the country. I want to get a bike for routing shopping. And save the car for when I have to go more than 10 mi.<br>
I also have two huskies who would benefit from being able to run with a bike.<br>
Nora</br></br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Carless life</strong></p><p>When I lived in Queens, NY, I spent a year without a car. In a city which is known for it's public transportation, I found that I had to leave a lot of time for travelling, But I did a lot of reading.<br>
A trip that takes 20 min by car can take up to three hours by bus, depending on the routes. In Nyc, the focus is on getting to Manhattan quickly. Getting across town in the boroughs is a challenge.<br>
Now I live in the country. I want to get a bike for routing shopping. And save the car for when I have to go more than 10 mi.<br>
I also have two huskies who would benefit from being able to run with a bike.<br>
Nora</br></br></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by paulewog</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 06:18:41 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I've been car free for almost 10 years</strong></p><p>I had two cars in three years, neither worked very well and I just couldn't find much life in working on them constantly.<br>
I ride a bike to work every day(7 mile round trip), I stop at the stores I need to shop at, or the bank, on the way home.<br>
If I drove it would probably take just as long or longer since I would have to wait behind those people dedicated to supporting a car habit, isn't it around $1000+ a month to support that habit?<br>
Most people I know get this glassy-eyed look in their eye when they find out I live without a car, and ride a bike, they just cannot comprehend, sad.<br>
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				<p><strong>I've been car free for almost 10 years</strong></p><p>I had two cars in three years, neither worked very well and I just couldn't find much life in working on them constantly.<br>
I ride a bike to work every day(7 mile round trip), I stop at the stores I need to shop at, or the bank, on the way home.<br>
If I drove it would probably take just as long or longer since I would have to wait behind those people dedicated to supporting a car habit, isn't it around $1000+ a month to support that habit?<br>
Most people I know get this glassy-eyed look in their eye when they find out I live without a car, and ride a bike, they just cannot comprehend, sad.<br>
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