<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Yet another pioneering green move from the state]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Charles Barton http://www.grist.org/article/kudos-to-california/ Tue, 29 May 2007 07:07:13 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/kudos-to-california/1 carbon sequestration

Why is it environmentalists do not worry about leaks from pressurized underground carbon sequestration, while they are exceedingly frightened about leaks from solid radioactive residue, stored underground?    

Charles Barton

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Why is it environmentalists do not worry about leaks from pressurized underground carbon sequestration, while they are exceedingly frightened about leaks from solid radioactive residue, stored underground?    

Charles Barton

]]> Comment #2 by GreyFlcn http://www.grist.org/article/kudos-to-california/ Tue, 29 May 2007 07:12:49 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/kudos-to-california/2 News, but not new

This is only another step along the way.

California already banned importing of high carbon electricity last January on a statewide level.

However the municipal utilities played by a different set of rules.

This is just bringing the municipal rules in line with state rules.

]]> News, but not new

This is only another step along the way.

California already banned importing of high carbon electricity last January on a statewide level.

However the municipal utilities played by a different set of rules.

This is just bringing the municipal rules in line with state rules.

]]> Comment #3 by David Roberts http://www.grist.org/article/kudos-to-california/ Tue, 29 May 2007 07:13:00 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/kudos-to-california/3 Believe me, Charles

I worry about it. As a solution to global warming, large-scale sequestration is a pipe dream.

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]]> Believe me, Charles

I worry about it. As a solution to global warming, large-scale sequestration is a pipe dream.

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]]> Comment #4 by Ron Steenblik http://www.grist.org/article/kudos-to-california/ Tue, 29 May 2007 07:13:11 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/kudos-to-california/4 Huh?

Who says environmentalists don't worry about leaks of sequestered carbon?

Doesn't Treehugger count as "environmentalist"?

]]> Huh?

Who says environmentalists don't worry about leaks of sequestered carbon?

Doesn't Treehugger count as "environmentalist"?

]]> Comment #5 by SoggyInSeattle http://www.grist.org/article/kudos-to-california/ Tue, 29 May 2007 07:50:13 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/kudos-to-california/5 Why worry about leaks from nuclear storage?

One reason is that a leak of 1% from a carbon sequestration facility means the storage is 99% effective. A leak of 1% from a nuclear waste storage  facility means the storage is 0% effective.

]]> Why worry about leaks from nuclear storage?

One reason is that a leak of 1% from a carbon sequestration facility means the storage is 99% effective. A leak of 1% from a nuclear waste storage  facility means the storage is 0% effective.

]]> Comment #6 by theBike45 http://www.grist.org/article/kudos-to-california/ Tue, 29 May 2007 09:36:49 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/kudos-to-california/6 California has the problem, not the coal plants

  Seems to be a little confusion here. California is the party that needs the power. Carbon sequestration is not technically difficult,
and the Alstom chilled ammonia technology has sliced the power requirements in half. It is being deployed at two plants in the next 2 to 3 years on a test basis, but that's simply verifying the obvious and looking to fine tune the procedures. In the Southwest there are only
three viable options to acheive any significant emision redutions - Environmission type solar towers (currently bidding an RFP from El Paso Power for a 200 MW tower), carbon sequestration and nuclear. Nuclear is the best of the three by far, both economically and in terms of the environment. Wind is hopelessly inadequate, unreliable, and way, way to expensive, especially for such a dirty, environmentally obnoxious waste of land; it also costs from 20 to 30 times more to build than nuclear per megawatt per year. Wind is a bad joke that nobody seems to get. The politicians keep pouring the public's money into this economically moribund primitive technology
that's on life support.
We can always count on California to make a bad
situation much worse - as in their disastrous zero
emissions laws which stymied the development of the plug-in hybrid , the only viable automotive technology out there.







]]> California has the problem, not the coal plants

  Seems to be a little confusion here. California is the party that needs the power. Carbon sequestration is not technically difficult,
and the Alstom chilled ammonia technology has sliced the power requirements in half. It is being deployed at two plants in the next 2 to 3 years on a test basis, but that's simply verifying the obvious and looking to fine tune the procedures. In the Southwest there are only
three viable options to acheive any significant emision redutions - Environmission type solar towers (currently bidding an RFP from El Paso Power for a 200 MW tower), carbon sequestration and nuclear. Nuclear is the best of the three by far, both economically and in terms of the environment. Wind is hopelessly inadequate, unreliable, and way, way to expensive, especially for such a dirty, environmentally obnoxious waste of land; it also costs from 20 to 30 times more to build than nuclear per megawatt per year. Wind is a bad joke that nobody seems to get. The politicians keep pouring the public's money into this economically moribund primitive technology
that's on life support.
We can always count on California to make a bad
situation much worse - as in their disastrous zero
emissions laws which stymied the development of the plug-in hybrid , the only viable automotive technology out there.







]]> Comment #7 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/kudos-to-california/ Wed, 30 May 2007 01:56:35 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/kudos-to-california/7 The Customer Is Always Wrong

Seems to be a little confusion here. California is the party that needs the power

Why is it that you understand this simple fact of logic but the editors of Grist do not?

Yes, the only result of these actions will be to raise the price of electricity to California consumers.

"Great", the editors of Grist will say, now "wind power" will be more affordable.   Translation: greedy contractors can built more giant propellers that will never meet the need.

John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"
You Read It Here First

]]> The Customer Is Always Wrong

Seems to be a little confusion here. California is the party that needs the power

Why is it that you understand this simple fact of logic but the editors of Grist do not?

Yes, the only result of these actions will be to raise the price of electricity to California consumers.

"Great", the editors of Grist will say, now "wind power" will be more affordable.   Translation: greedy contractors can built more giant propellers that will never meet the need.

John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"
You Read It Here First

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