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            <title>Comment #1 by Wolverine</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:18:15 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>USPS &amp; &quot;Green&quot; Groups</strong></p><p>That the U.S. Postal Service promotes junk mail shows how deep corporate control over the U.S. government is. &nbsp;When this agency can't even deliver real mail reliably, how dare it promote junk mail! &nbsp;And, BTW, every mail carrier I've talked to hates junk mail, because it makes their jobs much harder.</p><p>
As to so-called environmental groups, the two named here are two of the most conservative. &nbsp;Any group that does not oppose junk mail in order to save trees and reduce oil consumption and burning is not worthy of being called an environmental group.</p>
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				<p><strong>USPS &amp; &quot;Green&quot; Groups</strong></p><p>That the U.S. Postal Service promotes junk mail shows how deep corporate control over the U.S. government is. &nbsp;When this agency can't even deliver real mail reliably, how dare it promote junk mail! &nbsp;And, BTW, every mail carrier I've talked to hates junk mail, because it makes their jobs much harder.</p><p>
As to so-called environmental groups, the two named here are two of the most conservative. &nbsp;Any group that does not oppose junk mail in order to save trees and reduce oil consumption and burning is not worthy of being called an environmental group.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Russ</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:10:10 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>So once again..</strong></p><p>...we have an industry openly admitting it represents nothing but a make-work corporate welfare program.</p><p>
As for environmental groups worried about their own mailings (which does open them up to charges of hypocrisy - I suppose they could rely more on the phone and internet), the answer seems simple. You could just have the do-not-mail registry differentiate between commercial and political mailings, as the do-not-phone registry does.<br>
Anyway, I doubt such a mailing registry would be constitutional where it comes to political speech. I'm not even sure about commercial mailings. Print is treated more protectively than more "advanced" forms of technology.</br></p>
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				<p><strong>So once again..</strong></p><p>...we have an industry openly admitting it represents nothing but a make-work corporate welfare program.</p><p>
As for environmental groups worried about their own mailings (which does open them up to charges of hypocrisy - I suppose they could rely more on the phone and internet), the answer seems simple. You could just have the do-not-mail registry differentiate between commercial and political mailings, as the do-not-phone registry does.<br>
Anyway, I doubt such a mailing registry would be constitutional where it comes to political speech. I'm not even sure about commercial mailings. Print is treated more protectively than more "advanced" forms of technology.</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Boyscientist</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:35:26 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Hated junk mail</strong></p><p>It's disgusting that groups are opposing the Do Not Mail registry. &nbsp;I remember well the brouhaha that ensued when the do not call registry was started. It is a great success. &nbsp;In my state only certain non-profit and charitable groups can call my phone and only during certain hours. &nbsp;It's great.</p><p>
They do not have the right to call my phone as a matter for free speech and the same should apply to the printed matter in my mailbox.</p><p>
Fortunately I use a P.O. Box and fortunately the local Post office supplies a wasted basket next the boxes. &nbsp;About 90% of the incoming is a total waste. </p>
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				<p><strong>Hated junk mail</strong></p><p>It's disgusting that groups are opposing the Do Not Mail registry. &nbsp;I remember well the brouhaha that ensued when the do not call registry was started. It is a great success. &nbsp;In my state only certain non-profit and charitable groups can call my phone and only during certain hours. &nbsp;It's great.</p><p>
They do not have the right to call my phone as a matter for free speech and the same should apply to the printed matter in my mailbox.</p><p>
Fortunately I use a P.O. Box and fortunately the local Post office supplies a wasted basket next the boxes. &nbsp;About 90% of the incoming is a total waste. </p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by khapke</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 05:26:49 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>NRDC not much better</strong></p><p>Early on in my enviro-education, I was a member of NRDC. After a year of receiving multiple letters &amp; bulletins each week, asking for $$, telling us of their fight or plight, I stopped. &nbsp;I requested only email, but they could not accommodate the request. How can one support a group that is sending me more paper than Macy's? &nbsp;</p><p>
I like grist because it does not fill my trash with paper that I cannot recycle in this town anyway! &nbsp;</p><p>
As for the Do Not Mail registry, they would find some way around it. &nbsp;Just like politicians find a way around the Do Not Call registry. &nbsp; &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>NRDC not much better</strong></p><p>Early on in my enviro-education, I was a member of NRDC. After a year of receiving multiple letters &amp; bulletins each week, asking for $$, telling us of their fight or plight, I stopped. &nbsp;I requested only email, but they could not accommodate the request. How can one support a group that is sending me more paper than Macy's? &nbsp;</p><p>
I like grist because it does not fill my trash with paper that I cannot recycle in this town anyway! &nbsp;</p><p>
As for the Do Not Mail registry, they would find some way around it. &nbsp;Just like politicians find a way around the Do Not Call registry. &nbsp; &nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by latenac</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:02:18 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Catalog Choice</strong></p><p>Well at least now I know why so many of the catalogs I opted out of on Catalog Choice show up as unconfirmed. 4 confirmed, 57 unconfirmed and 3 refused. I was very disappointed then Title Nine and Territory Ahead refused my requests through them. </p><p>
I do find it ironic NWF helped to create it b/c I know all of my membership to them for the year I belonged had to have been used on mailings of asking for more money, calendars, address labels, gift bags, wrapping paper, etc. After 3 months I finally asked them to cease and desist, send me e-mails and relented.</p>
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				<p><strong>Catalog Choice</strong></p><p>Well at least now I know why so many of the catalogs I opted out of on Catalog Choice show up as unconfirmed. 4 confirmed, 57 unconfirmed and 3 refused. I was very disappointed then Title Nine and Territory Ahead refused my requests through them. </p><p>
I do find it ironic NWF helped to create it b/c I know all of my membership to them for the year I belonged had to have been used on mailings of asking for more money, calendars, address labels, gift bags, wrapping paper, etc. After 3 months I finally asked them to cease and desist, send me e-mails and relented.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Boyscientist</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:15:27 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Recycled</strong></p><p>I wrote:</p><p>
"Fortunately I use a P.O. Box and fortunately the local Post office supplies a wasted basket next the boxes."</p><p>
It's not a waste(d) basket, it is a recycling bin with instructions as to what is acceptable. &nbsp;The Post Office wants the money for third class even though they know we don't want it. &nbsp;Some of it is in &nbsp;circulation less than 30 seconds.</p>
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				<p><strong>Recycled</strong></p><p>I wrote:</p><p>
"Fortunately I use a P.O. Box and fortunately the local Post office supplies a wasted basket next the boxes."</p><p>
It's not a waste(d) basket, it is a recycling bin with instructions as to what is acceptable. &nbsp;The Post Office wants the money for third class even though they know we don't want it. &nbsp;Some of it is in &nbsp;circulation less than 30 seconds.</p>
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