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            <title>Comment #1 by Jason D Scorse</title>
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				<p><strong>Add GM to Ford...<p>American car makers are pathetic and deserve to be wiped clean off the map by innovative companies like Honda, Toyota, and the other progressive companies of the future...<p>
J.S.

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				<p><strong>Add GM to Ford...<p>American car makers are pathetic and deserve to be wiped clean off the map by innovative companies like Honda, Toyota, and the other progressive companies of the future...<p>
J.S.

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            <title>Comment #2 by Biodiversivist</title>
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				<p><strong>I'm with Jason<p>My American-made car is a piece o shit. The overall design is good, unibody, engine, but its quality is abysmal. I'm getting ready to unload it, before it falls apart. My wife's Japanese car is a work of engineering art. The contrast is shocking. Gm and Ford are going to reap what they have sowed.<p>
This concept of killing two birds with one stone is a good one. I do the same with the lithium batteries on my electric bike. They also drive my power tools. That is another way of saying they cost half as much. If utilities can give electric car owners a break on their electric bills, essentially renting their car batteries, you would get the same cost lowering leverage.

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				<p><strong>I'm with Jason<p>My American-made car is a piece o shit. The overall design is good, unibody, engine, but its quality is abysmal. I'm getting ready to unload it, before it falls apart. My wife's Japanese car is a work of engineering art. The contrast is shocking. Gm and Ford are going to reap what they have sowed.<p>
This concept of killing two birds with one stone is a good one. I do the same with the lithium batteries on my electric bike. They also drive my power tools. That is another way of saying they cost half as much. If utilities can give electric car owners a break on their electric bills, essentially renting their car batteries, you would get the same cost lowering leverage.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Maywa Montenegro</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:37:00 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Already on the bandwagon<p>I've been convinced for some time now that plug-in hybrids are the way to go. Last Saturday,in fact, I wrote about it in an <a href="http://www.venturacountystar.com/vcs/opinion/article/0,1375,VCS_125_4924993,00.html" rel="nofollow">Op-Ed for my local newspaper. Nothing new in it for Grist readers, perhaps, but I felt it was important to try and spread the word.</a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Already on the bandwagon<p>I've been convinced for some time now that plug-in hybrids are the way to go. Last Saturday,in fact, I wrote about it in an <a href="http://www.venturacountystar.com/vcs/opinion/article/0,1375,VCS_125_4924993,00.html" rel="nofollow">Op-Ed for my local newspaper. Nothing new in it for Grist readers, perhaps, but I felt it was important to try and spread the word.</a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:38:13 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Welfare reform<p>Recently Clinton and a bunch of bushwacker enabling so-called conservatives were crowing about how they instituted welfare reform.<p>
How about some real welfare reform? &nbsp;Corporate welfare reform.<p>
Cut the subsidies to fossil, nuclear, and agribizz fuel farming energy schemes, all borrowed in the name of future taxpayers to provide corporate welfare. &nbsp;Make these lazy bastards get off the dole.<p>
Spend half that money on direct tax incentives to consumers to buy plugin hybrids, electric cars, and solar and wind power. &nbsp;Gas guzzlers get 1000s in "rebates" to buy a hummer, thanks to corporate welfare.<p>
How about shifting that to give say a 2000 dollar tax cut to buyers of plugin hybrids? &nbsp;And spend the other half of savings from eliminating corporate welfare to pay down the huge deficit?<p>
Tell your local, state, and federal candidate of choice that unless they agree to vote to eliminate corporate welfare your vote will go to someone who will.<p>
Send an email to them with a link to this discussion along with that guarantee right now.<p>
Just copy and paste. &nbsp;<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/8/25/132857/180/#3" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/8/25/132857/180/#3<p>
Enter their name in google and find their email address. &nbsp;It's easy.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p></a></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Welfare reform<p>Recently Clinton and a bunch of bushwacker enabling so-called conservatives were crowing about how they instituted welfare reform.<p>
How about some real welfare reform? &nbsp;Corporate welfare reform.<p>
Cut the subsidies to fossil, nuclear, and agribizz fuel farming energy schemes, all borrowed in the name of future taxpayers to provide corporate welfare. &nbsp;Make these lazy bastards get off the dole.<p>
Spend half that money on direct tax incentives to consumers to buy plugin hybrids, electric cars, and solar and wind power. &nbsp;Gas guzzlers get 1000s in "rebates" to buy a hummer, thanks to corporate welfare.<p>
How about shifting that to give say a 2000 dollar tax cut to buyers of plugin hybrids? &nbsp;And spend the other half of savings from eliminating corporate welfare to pay down the huge deficit?<p>
Tell your local, state, and federal candidate of choice that unless they agree to vote to eliminate corporate welfare your vote will go to someone who will.<p>
Send an email to them with a link to this discussion along with that guarantee right now.<p>
Just copy and paste. &nbsp;<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/8/25/132857/180/#3" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/8/25/132857/180/#3<p>
Enter their name in google and find their email address. &nbsp;It's easy.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p></a></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:53:52 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>redesigning the alphabet</strong></p><p>e.g., I love how the dollar sign is F, and the exclamation point is K.</p><p>
Or am I reading too much into this???</p><p>
Anyway, here is a letter, submitted recently by a New Yorker, of our acquaintance, to the New York Times, to the City Section Editor. &nbsp;It was written in response to an Op-Ed piece in the City Section, last Sunday, by a former pro-bicycle advocate, and ex-NYC resident.</p><p>
Dear Editor of the City Section:</p><p>
The project to increase New York City's network of bike paths and bike lanes, which Andrew Vesselinovitch tried so hard to implement, only to end his tenure as director of the bicycle program in frustration and disappointment, remains praiseworthy. &nbsp;It is especially to be recommended, in view of the global warming crisis, which should be urgently prompting all of us to find ways to reduce our consumption of fossil fuels.</p><p>
In fact, I would go further than Mr. Vesselinovitch, and support any serious attempt to reduce traffic in the city. &nbsp;For starters, the program that London initiated not long ago, by which drivers are charged a fee to be permitted to drive in that city's central district, has reportedly worked very well, and ought to be an inspiration for traffic planners here. &nbsp;How about this: Designate a pay-to-drive district between 59th Street and a cordon south and east of Downtown Brooklyn; erect no-charge parking garages near the access points; create a fleet of hybrid or electric taxis and buses; create a fleet of bicycle-rickshaws; and make bicycles available for temporary use.</p><p>
Best wishes to Mr. Vesselinovitch in his new venture in Chicago. &nbsp;We can have no doubt that he will continue to do what he can to encourage New York City to follow Chicago's example, by growing ever more green, and more humane.</p><p>
Sincerely,<br>
Marcus Stephanus<br>
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				<p><strong>redesigning the alphabet</strong></p><p>e.g., I love how the dollar sign is F, and the exclamation point is K.</p><p>
Or am I reading too much into this???</p><p>
Anyway, here is a letter, submitted recently by a New Yorker, of our acquaintance, to the New York Times, to the City Section Editor. &nbsp;It was written in response to an Op-Ed piece in the City Section, last Sunday, by a former pro-bicycle advocate, and ex-NYC resident.</p><p>
Dear Editor of the City Section:</p><p>
The project to increase New York City's network of bike paths and bike lanes, which Andrew Vesselinovitch tried so hard to implement, only to end his tenure as director of the bicycle program in frustration and disappointment, remains praiseworthy. &nbsp;It is especially to be recommended, in view of the global warming crisis, which should be urgently prompting all of us to find ways to reduce our consumption of fossil fuels.</p><p>
In fact, I would go further than Mr. Vesselinovitch, and support any serious attempt to reduce traffic in the city. &nbsp;For starters, the program that London initiated not long ago, by which drivers are charged a fee to be permitted to drive in that city's central district, has reportedly worked very well, and ought to be an inspiration for traffic planners here. &nbsp;How about this: Designate a pay-to-drive district between 59th Street and a cordon south and east of Downtown Brooklyn; erect no-charge parking garages near the access points; create a fleet of hybrid or electric taxis and buses; create a fleet of bicycle-rickshaws; and make bicycles available for temporary use.</p><p>
Best wishes to Mr. Vesselinovitch in his new venture in Chicago. &nbsp;We can have no doubt that he will continue to do what he can to encourage New York City to follow Chicago's example, by growing ever more green, and more humane.</p><p>
Sincerely,<br>
Marcus Stephanus<br>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 01:53:08 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Nice article Maywa<p>Do you suppose readers know the difference between ethanol produced from cellulose and that produced from corn sugar?

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				<p><strong>Nice article Maywa<p>Do you suppose readers know the difference between ethanol produced from cellulose and that produced from corn sugar?

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Maywa Montenegro</title>
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				<p><strong>ethanols...</strong></p><p>Thanks, bio. In response to your question, I doubt it, so I've written a long piece about that too. Watch for it in a special Grist report sometime this fall. </p>
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				<p><strong>ethanols...</strong></p><p>Thanks, bio. In response to your question, I doubt it, so I've written a long piece about that too. Watch for it in a special Grist report sometime this fall. </p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by bookerly</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:01:18 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Chinese Launch coming</strong></p><p><br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; CCTV9 had on it's business news last night an interview with a company I got as "Bright Li" (though I can't find it on the web). &nbsp;They have an all electric car that can charge in 1-3 hours (using what they call a Li-ion battery). &nbsp;These are tiny cars (bright yellow was the one I saw on TV) which get up to 200 KM on a charge. &nbsp;The cost per KM was quoted as being about 12 cents (in China).</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; They intend to make 30-50,000 a year for the European market.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; I sometimes see similar reports on research from Japan and India.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; The US car companies can get on board, or drown. &nbsp;By the time they decide to get involved, the rest of the world will have a developed technology (or several) and factories ready and waiting.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Dumb, dumb, dumb.</p><p>
patrick</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Chinese Launch coming</strong></p><p><br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; CCTV9 had on it's business news last night an interview with a company I got as "Bright Li" (though I can't find it on the web). &nbsp;They have an all electric car that can charge in 1-3 hours (using what they call a Li-ion battery). &nbsp;These are tiny cars (bright yellow was the one I saw on TV) which get up to 200 KM on a charge. &nbsp;The cost per KM was quoted as being about 12 cents (in China).</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; They intend to make 30-50,000 a year for the European market.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; I sometimes see similar reports on research from Japan and India.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; The US car companies can get on board, or drown. &nbsp;By the time they decide to get involved, the rest of the world will have a developed technology (or several) and factories ready and waiting.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Dumb, dumb, dumb.</p><p>
patrick</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:05:17 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Patrick<p>China made the components for my hybrid electric bike, motor, controller, throttle. Only the batteries are made in America. 

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Patrick<p>China made the components for my hybrid electric bike, motor, controller, throttle. Only the batteries are made in America. 

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by bookerly</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:01:30 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>China and Electric Motors</strong></p><p><br>
&nbsp; BioDiversivist,</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; That is interesting. &nbsp;Electric bikes are increasing popular here. &nbsp;(One of the Chinese teachers just bought one). &nbsp;Also of interest, while the government is encouraging research into electric &nbsp;(and other) cars, so far, they haven't set standards for them, so that electric cars are not for sale here. &nbsp;(There is a suggestion that the standards are coming soon).</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Meanwhile, they are tightening the emission standards for cars and trucks (they follow the EU model which is said to be stricter than the US model).</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;It does look like electric cars are coming from somewhere (and probably a number of somewheres, except the US) in the next couple of years.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Not all the solutions to global warming, but a good start!!!</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Alas, it won't do a thing about traffic jams (so I will stay on my bike as much as possible).</p><p>
patrick</br></p>
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				<p><strong>China and Electric Motors</strong></p><p><br>
&nbsp; BioDiversivist,</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; That is interesting. &nbsp;Electric bikes are increasing popular here. &nbsp;(One of the Chinese teachers just bought one). &nbsp;Also of interest, while the government is encouraging research into electric &nbsp;(and other) cars, so far, they haven't set standards for them, so that electric cars are not for sale here. &nbsp;(There is a suggestion that the standards are coming soon).</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Meanwhile, they are tightening the emission standards for cars and trucks (they follow the EU model which is said to be stricter than the US model).</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;It does look like electric cars are coming from somewhere (and probably a number of somewheres, except the US) in the next couple of years.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Not all the solutions to global warming, but a good start!!!</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Alas, it won't do a thing about traffic jams (so I will stay on my bike as much as possible).</p><p>
patrick</br></p>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:10:08 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>bikes</strong></p><p>Oh, sweet young Patrick, you disappoint me, you had nothing to say about my suggestion to the City editors of the NYTimes, that we should station rickshaws at the mouths of the tunnels.</p><p>
Profitable for the cyclists, apparently: Fetishists are coughing up $100 for a pair of damp socks, worn by presumably cute guys. &nbsp;Unclear whether they need to get as well a good head shot, with good sun, of the sun-tanned, blond, 20-year-old.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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				<p><strong>bikes</strong></p><p>Oh, sweet young Patrick, you disappoint me, you had nothing to say about my suggestion to the City editors of the NYTimes, that we should station rickshaws at the mouths of the tunnels.</p><p>
Profitable for the cyclists, apparently: Fetishists are coughing up $100 for a pair of damp socks, worn by presumably cute guys. &nbsp;Unclear whether they need to get as well a good head shot, with good sun, of the sun-tanned, blond, 20-year-old.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:06:15 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>My prediction Pat<p>On "The Energy Blog":<p>
<a href="http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2006/08/paratransit_inc.html" rel="nofollow">http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2006/08/paratra...<p>
I think you are right Harvey, China will leapfrog to EVs and sell them at Walmart for 14k. Right after they assume 51% control of the biggest box store.<p>
A 75 mile range, 15 minute charge. with a 2000 dollar extra battery pack that will boost the mileage to 150 miles. It will be slow and small but very popular. <p>
Energy cost equivalent to 75 cents per gallon/40 miles of driving. Compared to 3 bucks for a gas powered econobox. Sized about like a minicooper.<p>
ESP or delusional thinking, we'll see? Hehey.

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				<p><strong>My prediction Pat<p>On "The Energy Blog":<p>
<a href="http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2006/08/paratransit_inc.html" rel="nofollow">http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2006/08/paratra...<p>
I think you are right Harvey, China will leapfrog to EVs and sell them at Walmart for 14k. Right after they assume 51% control of the biggest box store.<p>
A 75 mile range, 15 minute charge. with a 2000 dollar extra battery pack that will boost the mileage to 150 miles. It will be slow and small but very popular. <p>
Energy cost equivalent to 75 cents per gallon/40 miles of driving. Compared to 3 bucks for a gas powered econobox. Sized about like a minicooper.<p>
ESP or delusional thinking, we'll see? Hehey.

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				<p><strong>Ewww stinky socks</strong></p><p>Hehehey, Canis. &nbsp; Rickshaws yep, the US is becoming a tourist destination like the UK.</p><p>
No more manufacturing. &nbsp;The flight of capital to low wage and enviro/health safety regulation.</p><p>
The only other alternative seems to be to open up the borders to anyone who wants to work at whatever wages or working conditions. &nbsp;Then institute industry self (no) regulation across the continent.</p><p>
Is it worth it? &nbsp;No. &nbsp;Tourism is a great alternative. &nbsp;Do it yourselfers and small business can then convert the economy that remains to renewable energy.</p><p>
With tourism jobs to rely on people will need to rely on mother nature to afford to live a quality existence.

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				<p><strong>Ewww stinky socks</strong></p><p>Hehehey, Canis. &nbsp; Rickshaws yep, the US is becoming a tourist destination like the UK.</p><p>
No more manufacturing. &nbsp;The flight of capital to low wage and enviro/health safety regulation.</p><p>
The only other alternative seems to be to open up the borders to anyone who wants to work at whatever wages or working conditions. &nbsp;Then institute industry self (no) regulation across the continent.</p><p>
Is it worth it? &nbsp;No. &nbsp;Tourism is a great alternative. &nbsp;Do it yourselfers and small business can then convert the economy that remains to renewable energy.</p><p>
With tourism jobs to rely on people will need to rely on mother nature to afford to live a quality existence.

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			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 04:20:08 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Rickshaws</strong></p><p><br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;Sorry I missed your comments about Rickshaws, dear young CanisCandida! &nbsp;Perhaps you could work on one and sell your socks for pin money. (smile).</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;Tours by rickshaw are still fairly popular in China, especially around the "old" areas of Beijing.<br>
They are, of course, bicycle rickshaws, not the pulled kind.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;There are also three wheeled carts (electric and gas, mostly gas) that deliver people short distances, and some electric rickshaws. &nbsp;We have pretty much every combination of vehicle possible (including three wheeled trucks for hauling loads, and mule carts!).</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;San Francisco has bicycle rickshaws, I don't know how popular they are, but it is hilly there, so their range is somewhat limited.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;As to the hybrid motors, I forgot to post the cost of the Chinese cars, they mentioned less than 20,000. &nbsp;But was that Euros, dollars or Yuan? &nbsp;Big &nbsp;difference, and I cannot find it.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;Soon, all of this will be happening relativey soon.</p><p>
patrick</br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Rickshaws</strong></p><p><br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;Sorry I missed your comments about Rickshaws, dear young CanisCandida! &nbsp;Perhaps you could work on one and sell your socks for pin money. (smile).</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;Tours by rickshaw are still fairly popular in China, especially around the "old" areas of Beijing.<br>
They are, of course, bicycle rickshaws, not the pulled kind.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;There are also three wheeled carts (electric and gas, mostly gas) that deliver people short distances, and some electric rickshaws. &nbsp;We have pretty much every combination of vehicle possible (including three wheeled trucks for hauling loads, and mule carts!).</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;San Francisco has bicycle rickshaws, I don't know how popular they are, but it is hilly there, so their range is somewhat limited.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;As to the hybrid motors, I forgot to post the cost of the Chinese cars, they mentioned less than 20,000. &nbsp;But was that Euros, dollars or Yuan? &nbsp;Big &nbsp;difference, and I cannot find it.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;Soon, all of this will be happening relativey soon.</p><p>
patrick</br></br></p>
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