<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for McCain’s 10 energy lies top Palin’s four]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by starsky http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/ Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:55:08 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/1 Off with the gloves already

jeepers. Your "critique" drips of partisanship and makes for very little helpful conversation. Your post makes no point other than a portrayal of your preconceived political opinions. As an independent it is interesting to watch both sides of the aisle try to stake a claim in addressing climate change.
I read a recent study that you would find interesting about who has a more green lifestyle - republicans or democrats.
http://sattlerclothing.com/blog/2008/06/05/republican-or- ...

]]> Off with the gloves already

jeepers. Your "critique" drips of partisanship and makes for very little helpful conversation. Your post makes no point other than a portrayal of your preconceived political opinions. As an independent it is interesting to watch both sides of the aisle try to stake a claim in addressing climate change.
I read a recent study that you would find interesting about who has a more green lifestyle - republicans or democrats.
http://sattlerclothing.com/blog/2008/06/05/republican-or- ...

]]> Comment #2 by katakanadian http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/ Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:10:33 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/2 Hmmm

I don't know the numbers but I doubt importation of 'unfriendly' oil has dropped off at all in the last five years despite a tremendous increase in the amount of tar sands oil floating south from Alberta. Drilling more American oil will probably just result in more consumption rather than decreasing imports.

]]> Hmmm

I don't know the numbers but I doubt importation of 'unfriendly' oil has dropped off at all in the last five years despite a tremendous increase in the amount of tar sands oil floating south from Alberta. Drilling more American oil will probably just result in more consumption rather than decreasing imports.

]]> Comment #3 by bigTom http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/ Sat, 06 Sep 2008 05:30:04 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/3 campaigns are fought on mental landscape.

  It is very unfortunate, that campaigns will seek to exploit popularly held misconceptions, rather than trying to correct them, and propose plans that more closely reflect reality. IMO the Republicans are considerably more prone to this, than the Democrats, but both sides of political necessity bow to this rule.

   That being said, sometimes it is just exaggeration of the differences. For instance for Nuclear, it is true that Obama, doesn't rule it out, but he would clearly be less aggressive in its pursuit than McCain. But most distressing are plans that rely on (and abet) totally incorrect understandings -like the US has more oil than Saudi Arabia.

]]> campaigns are fought on mental landscape.

  It is very unfortunate, that campaigns will seek to exploit popularly held misconceptions, rather than trying to correct them, and propose plans that more closely reflect reality. IMO the Republicans are considerably more prone to this, than the Democrats, but both sides of political necessity bow to this rule.

   That being said, sometimes it is just exaggeration of the differences. For instance for Nuclear, it is true that Obama, doesn't rule it out, but he would clearly be less aggressive in its pursuit than McCain. But most distressing are plans that rely on (and abet) totally incorrect understandings -like the US has more oil than Saudi Arabia.

]]> Comment #4 by Pangolin http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/ Sat, 06 Sep 2008 13:21:17 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/4 What?

You didn't expect him to tell the american people that they were going to have to slow down and drive smaller cars did you? Perhaps you were thinking that he should promote a transition from airline to rail travel?

Get real.

The Republican Party and John McCain have been making hay by dumping on Jimmy Carter's energy plan for twenty-seven years and if they adopted it now we could make them look like the fools they are.

So they have to poison the well by proposing a bunch of programs that sound like they might work but simply won't. Since the media's bias is absolutely in their favor (hello car ads) the average citizen won't hear a word of contradiction.

Put the Carbon Back

]]> What?

You didn't expect him to tell the american people that they were going to have to slow down and drive smaller cars did you? Perhaps you were thinking that he should promote a transition from airline to rail travel?

Get real.

The Republican Party and John McCain have been making hay by dumping on Jimmy Carter's energy plan for twenty-seven years and if they adopted it now we could make them look like the fools they are.

So they have to poison the well by proposing a bunch of programs that sound like they might work but simply won't. Since the media's bias is absolutely in their favor (hello car ads) the average citizen won't hear a word of contradiction.

Put the Carbon Back

]]> Comment #5 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/ Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:25:34 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/5 Romm O Matic Lie Maker

http://www.johnmccain.com/informing/News/Speeches/d0964a7 ...

John McCain's Remarks to the Center for Hydrogen Research  

The burning of oil and other fossil fuels is contributing to the dangerous accumulation of greenhouse gases in the earth's atmosphere, altering our climate with the potential for major social, economic and political upheaval. It is a serious and urgent economic, environmental and national security challenge

Alcohol fuels made from corn, sugar, switch grass and many other sources that could benefit that rural farm economy of South Carolina and other states, fuel cells, biodiesel derived from waste products, natural gas, and other technologies are all promising and available alternatives to oil.  I won't support subsidizing every alternative or tariffs that restrict the healthy competition that stimulates innovation and lower costs. But I'll encourage the development of infrastructure and market growth necessary for these products to compete, and let consumers choose the winners. I've never known an American entrepreneur worthy of the name who wouldn't rather compete for sales than subsidies.

We can also find ways to use new sources of power like hydrogen. My energy policies will rely on setting good incentives for firms, entrepreneurs, and households. But they will not shortchange the need for basic research to provide the pathway for new sources of energy, better materials, improved batteries, and other advances in knowledge that will be central to rising to this great challenge. The research being performed at Clemson University and the International Center for Automotive Research is unlocking the possibilities for hydrogen fueled automobiles. And research at the University of South Carolina and the Savannah River National Laboratory is advancing the potential for other hydrogen technologies.

]]> Romm O Matic Lie Maker

http://www.johnmccain.com/informing/News/Speeches/d0964a7 ...

John McCain's Remarks to the Center for Hydrogen Research  

The burning of oil and other fossil fuels is contributing to the dangerous accumulation of greenhouse gases in the earth's atmosphere, altering our climate with the potential for major social, economic and political upheaval. It is a serious and urgent economic, environmental and national security challenge

Alcohol fuels made from corn, sugar, switch grass and many other sources that could benefit that rural farm economy of South Carolina and other states, fuel cells, biodiesel derived from waste products, natural gas, and other technologies are all promising and available alternatives to oil.  I won't support subsidizing every alternative or tariffs that restrict the healthy competition that stimulates innovation and lower costs. But I'll encourage the development of infrastructure and market growth necessary for these products to compete, and let consumers choose the winners. I've never known an American entrepreneur worthy of the name who wouldn't rather compete for sales than subsidies.

We can also find ways to use new sources of power like hydrogen. My energy policies will rely on setting good incentives for firms, entrepreneurs, and households. But they will not shortchange the need for basic research to provide the pathway for new sources of energy, better materials, improved batteries, and other advances in knowledge that will be central to rising to this great challenge. The research being performed at Clemson University and the International Center for Automotive Research is unlocking the possibilities for hydrogen fueled automobiles. And research at the University of South Carolina and the Savannah River National Laboratory is advancing the potential for other hydrogen technologies.

]]> Comment #6 by Pangolin http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/ Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:57:22 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/6 "sources of power like hydrogen"

Just a little scientific illiteracy while you watch reruns of "Beat the Dead Horse" eh jabailo?

Explain please how a former Naval aviator could make such a basic error in science? Hydrogen has never been and will never be a source of power short of cost-effective fusion.

It's just about the most expensive way to store power but that's another thread.

Put the Carbon Back

]]> "sources of power like hydrogen"

Just a little scientific illiteracy while you watch reruns of "Beat the Dead Horse" eh jabailo?

Explain please how a former Naval aviator could make such a basic error in science? Hydrogen has never been and will never be a source of power short of cost-effective fusion.

It's just about the most expensive way to store power but that's another thread.

Put the Carbon Back

]]> Comment #7 by Bob Wallace http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/ Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:14:30 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/7 Perhaps...

Perhaps it's time to talk openly about the fact that the Republican candidate isn't especially bright.

This is a guy who did poorly in high school.  He had to attend a prep school before they would let him in the Academy.  

(They had to lower the prep school minimum 1.5 average to a 1.3 in order from him to "graduate" and get in the Academy.)

He finished the Academy at the bottom of his class.  And I have to wonder how many of his instructors "gifted" him with a 'D' rather than flunking out the son of an admiral.

As far as I can tell McCain has shown no intellectual talent in the ensuing years.

Remind anyone of the current president?

Why do Republicans value stupidity?

]]> Perhaps...

Perhaps it's time to talk openly about the fact that the Republican candidate isn't especially bright.

This is a guy who did poorly in high school.  He had to attend a prep school before they would let him in the Academy.  

(They had to lower the prep school minimum 1.5 average to a 1.3 in order from him to "graduate" and get in the Academy.)

He finished the Academy at the bottom of his class.  And I have to wonder how many of his instructors "gifted" him with a 'D' rather than flunking out the son of an admiral.

As far as I can tell McCain has shown no intellectual talent in the ensuing years.

Remind anyone of the current president?

Why do Republicans value stupidity?

]]> Comment #8 by starsky http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/ Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:28:03 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/8 Interesting...

Bob,
Stupidity? From an independent, I find it ironic that the compassionate, "party of the people" that is supposedly for mainstream America rather than the "Republican Elite" is so critical of what a guy did 50+ YEARS AGO when he was in HIGH SCHOOL?
Abortion is fine,
smoking weed is fine,
cheating on your wife is fine,
but struggling in high school - now that is where we draw the line. Because high school is the real proving ground for success as a President.

PS - Put the Carbon Back - Hydrogen fuel cell cars are already on the road. You might google hydrogen fuel cell to find Boeing, BMW, Ford, GM and many others using hydrogen for a myriad of purposes.




]]> Interesting...

Bob,
Stupidity? From an independent, I find it ironic that the compassionate, "party of the people" that is supposedly for mainstream America rather than the "Republican Elite" is so critical of what a guy did 50+ YEARS AGO when he was in HIGH SCHOOL?
Abortion is fine,
smoking weed is fine,
cheating on your wife is fine,
but struggling in high school - now that is where we draw the line. Because high school is the real proving ground for success as a President.

PS - Put the Carbon Back - Hydrogen fuel cell cars are already on the road. You might google hydrogen fuel cell to find Boeing, BMW, Ford, GM and many others using hydrogen for a myriad of purposes.




]]> Comment #9 by Bob Wallace http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/ Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:09:02 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/9 Starsky...

Did you read my first two paragraphs and then jump to the "Post a Comment" part of the page?

It would appear so.

Now please go back and finish reading what I posted.

If you don't agree then please post some examples of where McCain has demonstrated his intelligence to be higher than what his academic career would tell us.

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BTW, the way McCain dumped his first wife for the young heiress is not OK with me.  

But I won't hold the fact that he didn't smoke some weed against him.  We all have made a few mistakes in our lives.

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And hydrogen for our transportation solution?

About as likely as fairy dust....

]]> Starsky...

Did you read my first two paragraphs and then jump to the "Post a Comment" part of the page?

It would appear so.

Now please go back and finish reading what I posted.

If you don't agree then please post some examples of where McCain has demonstrated his intelligence to be higher than what his academic career would tell us.

--

BTW, the way McCain dumped his first wife for the young heiress is not OK with me.  

But I won't hold the fact that he didn't smoke some weed against him.  We all have made a few mistakes in our lives.

--

And hydrogen for our transportation solution?

About as likely as fairy dust....

]]> Comment #10 by MAD MAC http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/ Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:25:32 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/10 Does Romm want McCain to win?

Do you want him to win the election? Keep attacking him. Keep calling him names. Who is the guy? A moron? Maybe Romm works in the McCain camp.

First of all, past history is not a predictor on future action.

Secondly, McCain is a genuine war hero. Calling him names is just going to piss people off and push them to him.

Thirdly, A lot of people identify with McCain and Palin on values issues. Attack his values, you are attacking them. What you say won't matter, you will lose at the polls.

The smart thing to do is aggressively explain why Obama is the man. The dumb thing to do is try to explain why McCain is not.

Victory in Pattani

]]> Does Romm want McCain to win?

Do you want him to win the election? Keep attacking him. Keep calling him names. Who is the guy? A moron? Maybe Romm works in the McCain camp.

First of all, past history is not a predictor on future action.

Secondly, McCain is a genuine war hero. Calling him names is just going to piss people off and push them to him.

Thirdly, A lot of people identify with McCain and Palin on values issues. Attack his values, you are attacking them. What you say won't matter, you will lose at the polls.

The smart thing to do is aggressively explain why Obama is the man. The dumb thing to do is try to explain why McCain is not.

Victory in Pattani

]]> Comment #11 by MAD MAC http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/ Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:26:03 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/11 Does Romm want McCain to win?

Do you want him to win the election? Keep attacking him. Keep calling him names. Who is the guy? A moron? Maybe Romm works in the McCain camp.

First of all, past history is not a predictor on future action.

Secondly, McCain is a genuine war hero. Calling him names is just going to piss people off and push them to him.

Thirdly, A lot of people identify with McCain and Palin on values issues. Attack his values, you are attacking them. What you say won't matter, you will lose at the polls.

The smart thing to do is aggressively explain why Obama is the man. The dumb thing to do is try to explain why McCain is not.

Victory in Pattani

]]> Does Romm want McCain to win?

Do you want him to win the election? Keep attacking him. Keep calling him names. Who is the guy? A moron? Maybe Romm works in the McCain camp.

First of all, past history is not a predictor on future action.

Secondly, McCain is a genuine war hero. Calling him names is just going to piss people off and push them to him.

Thirdly, A lot of people identify with McCain and Palin on values issues. Attack his values, you are attacking them. What you say won't matter, you will lose at the polls.

The smart thing to do is aggressively explain why Obama is the man. The dumb thing to do is try to explain why McCain is not.

Victory in Pattani

]]> Comment #12 by aieageoff http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/ Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:40:28 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/johnny-come-lying/12 Balance

Hi Joe,

Good article.  Well researched.  One-sided.

How about a similar (and non-partisan) review of Obama-Biden's energy policies?

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Hi Joe,

Good article.  Well researched.  One-sided.

How about a similar (and non-partisan) review of Obama-Biden's energy policies?

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